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Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« on: December 31, 2016, 02:11:29 PM »
This is a bit of bad luck or just not prepared. Have a look at the link and the video of the Land Cruiser rolling off the Fraser Island Barge between Inskip point and Fraser.


http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/oh-no-vehicle-falls-off-inskip-point-barge/3127635/
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2016, 02:17:16 PM »
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2016, 02:28:08 PM »
Just watched it and still wonder how it would have happened apart from forgetting to put the park brake on? Do the boats staff check all that after you drive on?
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2016, 02:39:03 PM »
Please tell me it is not an 80 Series....

Would appear to be a tag along vehicle going by the stickers on the cruiser.  Normally piloted by young tourists so suspect it is human error.Glad no one was in the vehicle. 

The cost of the recovery will be a lot more than the value of the vehicle - given the location I am sure they will be forced to recover it.

Given it is Toyota it will be fine after a oil change and new air filter.

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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2016, 02:52:02 PM »
This is a bit of bad luck or just not prepared. Have a look at the link and the video of the Land Cruiser rolling off the Fraser Island Barge between Inskip point and Fraser.


http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/oh-no-vehicle-falls-off-inskip-point-barge/3127635/
c'mon Terry mate, you're 4 hours to slow  ;D ;D
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2016, 03:11:22 PM »
c'mon Terry mate, you're 4 hours to slow  ;D ;D
Sorry mate, a little slow in my old odl now I have moved further south. 

I actually looked for a previous thread before posting it, but obviously didnt look hard enough.  Might be one for the delete button.

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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2016, 03:16:59 PM »
Sorry mate, a little slow in my old odl now I have moved further south. 

I actually looked for a previous thread before posting it, but obviously didnt look hard enough.  Might be one for the delete button.
i didn't even think to give it a new thread, I'm sure others will likely overlook the news thread also though, so see what happens.
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2016, 04:38:52 PM »
where the bloody hell are the safety gates on this vessel.
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2016, 05:01:28 PM »
No nanny state safety gates here mate, just some poor crewie didn't raise the ramp far enough  :(
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2016, 05:49:44 PM »
where the bloody hell are the safety gates on this vessel.

The ramp is the safety..... it should have been raised all the way up.

Given the seriousness of the event I'm surprised they are still operating, I would say at a minimum for passengers walking around in the deck there should be protection.

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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2016, 05:51:06 PM »
The ramp is the safety..... it should have been raised all the way up.

Given the seriousness of the event I'm surprised they are still operating, I would say at a minimum for passengers walking around in the deck there should be protection.
you watch the panic button be hit now and the dumb rules they will come up with to save people from themselves....

so, whose insurance pays up ??? ???
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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2016, 06:22:07 PM »
you watch the panic button be hit now and the dumb rules they will come up with to save people from themselves....

so, whose insurance pays up ??? ???

Welcome to 2017, where the barge fee's just doubled due to brain fade ::)
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2016, 06:33:02 PM »
you watch the panic button be hit now and the dumb rules they will come up with to save people from themselves....

so, whose insurance pays up ??? ???

I don't think it will be dumb rules re: ramp being left down........that basic Shit that should happen to protect passenger...not much you can do about the drivers

From memory it's a be rough and ready the ferry operation.

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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2016, 06:35:52 PM »
80 Series don't have hand brakes....

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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2016, 06:38:56 PM »
Welcome to 2017, where the barge fee's just doubled due to brain fade ::)
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2016, 06:40:29 PM »
Doesn't matter how stupid or inexperienced the 4WD owner is, it comes back to the skipper. Ultimately he is in charge of the vessel, and the safety of everyone onboard is his responsibility . And if it was a "poor" crewy that didn't raise the ramp fully, then his head should roll too.
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2016, 07:36:18 PM »
Will they get a refund for the unused return journey?
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2016, 07:43:46 PM »
I see now why the kfb barges make you get out of the vehicle and go upstairs. ..
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2016, 07:53:15 PM »
Will they get a refund for the unused return journey?

Good one

I have never been on this ferry but I suspect that like many other businesses carrying passengers the terms and conditions of the ticket will have been written by a team of  QCs  and the owner will accept no responsibility for anything.

Basically the message will be "if anything goes wrong you can  sue but our insurer has more money than you and will fight you every centimetre of the way to the High Court and when you lose you will have to pay costs  so cop it sweet."

If the owner of the car is lucky he may get a payout for the value of the vehicle but will have to claim against his own insurer for any personal possessions. Good luck with that.

And while we may like to turn up our nose at "backpackers"  just think about the grief these people face in the next little while if they have lost passports, banking cards and other documents.     

I am happy to be corrected but that is the way the world seems to work these days.   

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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2016, 08:05:07 PM »
Good one

I have never been on this ferry but I suspect that like many other businesses carrying passengers the terms and conditions of the ticket will have been written by a team of  QCs  and the owner will accept no responsibility for anything.

Basically the message will be "if anything goes wrong you can  sue but our insurer has more money than you and will fight you every centimetre of the way to the High Court and when you lose you will have to pay costs  so cop it sweet."

If the owner of the car is lucky he may get a payout for the value of the vehicle but will have to claim against his own insurer for any personal possessions. Good luck with that.

And while we may like to turn up our nose at "backpackers"  just think about the grief these people face in the next little while if they have lost passports, banking cards and other documents.     

I am happy to be corrected but that is the way the world seems to work these days.

As above the master of the vessel is ultimately reponsible for vessel and passenger safety. Any negeliance or obvious oh&is that's overlooked will be to his/shipping lines detriment. Not my rules just the way it is. Just like the common carrier rule with TNT etc all T&Cs to cover their arse to the moon. Keep pushing when your parcel is lost by them and eventually common law over rules and they are at fault cause they promote themselves as "carriers"
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2016, 08:19:09 PM »
As above the master of the vessel is ultimately reponsible for vessel and passenger safety. Any negeliance or obvious oh&is that's overlooked will be to his/shipping lines detriment. Not my rules just the way it is. Just like the common carrier rule with TNT etc all T&Cs to cover their arse to the moon. Keep pushing when your parcel is lost by them and eventually common law over rules and they are at fault cause they promote themselves as "carriers"

a couple of years ago a man fell overboard on his way back from Rottnest Island after a very boozy cruise. Nobody missed him and his body was found next day. The owner of the charter boat and the skipper  have been fined for a total 0f $6500 on three charges of  illegally selling alcohol!

His widow is suing the company. Call me a cynic but I reckon it will come down to care and responsibility: the passengers had better take care because nobody accepts responsibility.   

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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2016, 08:55:22 PM »
see the catch down the bottom (with the hole in the top of it) sticking up from the ramp (the ramp that is down)...

well it's supposed to be locked in place in the clevis above it on the side of the barge, secured by the hydraulic ram behind it.

maybe it's just me... but it sure doesn't look locked in place...

or up...

like it says... on the sign.

sure... handbrake should have been on (as many have noted... it may have been "on"... it is a Landcruiser handbrake after all) and yes... it should have been in gear.

But if the ramp was locked in the up position, where it should have been...



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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2016, 09:17:24 PM »
As above the master of the vessel is ultimately reponsible for vessel and passenger safety. Any negeliance or obvious oh&is that's overlooked will be to his/shipping lines detriment. Not my rules just the way it is. Just like the common carrier rule with TNT etc all T&Cs to cover their arse to the moon. Keep pushing when your parcel is lost by them and eventually common law over rules and they are at fault cause they promote themselves as "carriers"

Jim is 100% correct. The skipper is to blame, legally. .....

FFS, You're driving a vehicle onto a boat off a beach, onto another beach. There's no yellow lines painted on the sand and the last outgoing tide took all the safety signs with it. ::)
If you can't safely PARK a vehicle, let alone one on a moving vessel, then hand your licence in, if you have one.

At the end of the day, the Skipper is responsible.  Had the ramp been up, the vehicle moved and killed a kid, again he's responsible. If it moved and hit the car in front of it, the owner of that car belted the clown who didn't park his vehicle correctly, again he'll no doubt legally be held responsible.

Take me back to the 80's please......... When not only cars were cool, but people were actually accountable for their own stupidity.

Of the last million vehicles on that barge, how many fell off? So it's a ? In a million chance.

Some people should not touch a motor car, let alone drive them.

With enough horse power, sheer ignorance and a total lack of respect for your vehicle, you'll get through....

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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2016, 09:23:12 PM »
No snorkel, wipers not on and headlights not on in daytime... no insurance.
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2016, 09:53:14 PM »
so looking at this photo, theres no way it could "roll" off... its facing up slightly -full video on the link shows otherwise

http://www.theage.com.au/queensland/vehicle-slides-off-fraser-island-ferry-into-water-near-beach-20161231-gtk8pr.html
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