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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2016, 01:39:46 PM »
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One Aussie seller told me MDC is only making $1000 on their Cape York Edition?
Sorry but that sounds like manure to me.
Not a very sustainable business model, considering everyone expects a few grand off their trailers when buying and bargaining.


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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2016, 01:59:17 PM »
Sorry but that sounds like manure to me.
Not a very sustainable business model, considering everyone expects a few grand off their trailers when buying and bargaining.

Yep, no way they are only selling for $1000 more than their purchase price, they would be broke if they were doing that Maybe $1000 profit on show/special prices after adding on margins for wages, rents, warranty repairs etc I could believe.

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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2016, 02:05:20 PM »
Sorry but that sounds like manure to me.
Not a very sustainable business model, considering everyone expects a few grand off their trailers when buying and bargaining.





More than likely but the Blue Tongue guy recons he is only making $3000 a trailer. No point telling them they are talking crap, but his words.

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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2016, 03:34:15 PM »
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Yep, no way they are only selling for $1000 more than their purchase price, they would be broke if they were doing that Maybe $1000 profit on show/special prices after adding on margins for wages, rents, warranty repairs etc I could believe.
if they aren't making 75% on cost they aren't trying.. specially with the wage difference from here and lucky ding.

Gee.. if they were only making a grand on each trailer, all aussie manufacturers would close the doors tomorrow and not even try!!!
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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2016, 05:06:10 PM »
Ofcourse we need manufacturing. It's the skills you need to maintain. Elitest comments like only high tech etc will get us just further down the drain.

Who wants china building the hulls of our battleships! Ffs there's an even chance they will be firing shells at us sometime in our lifetime.

 Corporate, government, union and consumer greed has got us in this predicament and us Australians are pathetic as consumers. Go to Japan or Germany and try and buy a foreign TV set or car. They are parochial as.  Labour is very expensive in Germany and their a manufacturing powerhouse and guess what? They subsidies there car industry! Because the assembly of the automobile provides jobs for unskilled. And the second and third teir industries that supply the car industries provide many many more unskilled and skilled jobs and apprentices. Tool making shops continually employed making dies etc.

Those that think hi tech is the way to go?  How will we be when  a clever Doctor invents the everlasting artificial heart from unobtainium and needs it designed , machined and assembled in AU where will he go if all the clever tool makers and designers don't exist because we don't have industries to train them on  mass! When he takes that to China to make it will be copied and the market gone in a few years. Just like Apple will eventually lose to Chinese phones and every other industry that chose to manufacture in China will do.
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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2016, 05:20:28 PM »
The mdc cye was made to secure a victory in the camper of the year awards, which it did. Part of the agreement of entering the comp and receiving the award is that the price doesn't increase for 12 months. I also heard that they did it as a loss leader strategy and there is stuff all margin in it for them. Time will tell if there is a price increase after the 12 months, but they are selling well that's for sure.

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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2016, 06:09:02 PM »
Lifestyle no longer sell the cheaper import campers, I think they stopped doing them a few years ago. I just checked their website and it seems that they no longer make camper trailers at all, only cross overs.

Thanks for the update.

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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2016, 06:31:17 PM »
Ofcourse we need manufacturing. It's the skills you need to maintain. Elitest comments like only high tech etc will get us just further down the drain.

Who wants china building the hulls of our battleships! Ffs there's an even chance they will be firing shells at us sometime in our lifetime.

 Corporate, government, union and consumer greed has got us in this predicament and us Australians are pathetic as consumers. Go to Japan or Germany and try and buy a foreign TV set or car. They are parochial as.  Labour is very expensive in Germany and their a manufacturing powerhouse and guess what? They subsidies there car industry! Because the assembly of the automobile provides jobs for unskilled. And the second and third teir industries that supply the car industries provide many many more unskilled and skilled jobs and apprentices. Tool making shops continually employed making dies etc.

Those that think hi tech is the way to go?  How will we be when  a clever Doctor invents the everlasting artificial heart from unobtainium and needs it designed , machined and assembled in AU where will he go if all the clever tool makers and designers don't exist because we don't have industries to train them on  mass! When he takes that to China to make it will be copied and the market gone in a few years. Just like Apple will eventually lose to Chinese phones and every other industry that chose to manufacture in China will do.
Germany has a high level of government subsidy for SME's through things like the Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft (Fraunhofer Society), an independent nongovernmental organization that provides high-quality, short-term, affordable applied research that small and medium-size firms could not otherwise afford. Fraunhofer enables smaller manufacturers to continually upgrade their processes and products, and keep ahead of the competition.  The government funds 2/3 of its US$2.75billion budget. Imagine and AU government doing that?  Aussie firms are having to fund their own R&D.

But the dominant manufacturers are high tech/ high quality niche suppliers not mass market suppliers. Yes there are are a few exceptions but even Mercedes are making cars in China now (Beijing Benz assembles and manufactures the Mercedes-Benz E-Class (long wheelbase), C-Class, and GLK-Class in China). The majority of those German companies are exporting components to the rest of the world including Asia. - Where they're bolted together.

So again, a focus on value add design and build vs component assembly.

The other thing Germany and Japan have going for them is a huge internal market compared to Australia (and via the EU for Germany getting  access to 600 million people)

And to moan about China copying ignores history. Germany kickstarted its industrial revolution by importing English machine tools.   Remember the saying from the 80's?  The English design something, the yanks mass market it, and the Japanese make it smaller.

It's also not just a matter of being parochial. The two countries with the most successful post WW2 economies (Geemany and Japan) were the two that weren't allowed,or were severely restricted in spending on their armies. The government money went on rebuilding and investing in their manufacturing capability.


Edit:  this is all purely opinion and should not constitute financial advice or long term government planning
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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2016, 06:39:58 PM »
I forgot to add that manufacturing only accounts for about 29% of Germany's GDP= $2.25trillion (And 29% of its Workforce.  So yes it's stronger than UK or US but 70% of its GDP comes from the services sector.
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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2016, 06:54:32 PM »
The mdc cye was made to secure a victory in the camper of the year awards, which it did. Part of the agreement of entering the comp and receiving the award is that the price doesn't increase for 12 months. I also heard that they did it as a loss leader strategy and there is stuff all margin in it for them. Time will tell if there is a price increase after the 12 months, but they are selling well that's for sure.

If you go out and look at them you know you're getting a great deal!!! And customer service is fantastic! No need to ring a HA interpreter lol :)
I recon they'll go up $24,000 then add your extras on.
My 240v is now a $799 option.
Kids room $500
Even got the TV bracket and extending arm.

I think he cut his wrist to get the award and a great marketing strategy.
A great way to end the year :)

I think you would be kicking yourself buying the 2015 or earlier as they are the water down version and costed $24k :(
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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2016, 07:23:48 PM »
Germany has a high level of government subsidy for SME's through things like the Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft (Fraunhofer Society), an independent nongovernmental organization that provides high-quality, short-term, affordable applied research that small and medium-size firms could not otherwise afford. Fraunhofer enables smaller manufacturers to continually upgrade their processes and products, and keep ahead of the competition.  The government funds 2/3 of its US$2.75billion budget. Imagine and AU government doing that?  Aussie firms are having to fund their own R&D.

But the dominant manufacturers are high tech/ high quality niche suppliers not mass market suppliers. Yes there are are a few exceptions but even Mercedes are making cars in China now (Beijing Benz assembles and manufactures the Mercedes-Benz E-Class (long wheelbase), C-Class, and GLK-Class in China). The majority of those German companies are exporting components to the rest of the world including Asia. - Where they're bolted together.

So again, a focus on value add design and build vs component assembly.

The other thing Germany and Japan have going for them is a huge internal market compared to Australia (and via the EU for Germany getting  access to 600 million people)

And to moan about China copying ignores history. Germany kickstarted its industrial revolution by importing English machine tools.   Remember the saying from the 80's?  The English design something, the yanks mass market it, and the Japanese make it smaller.

It's also not just a matter of being parochial. The two countries with the most successful post WW2 economies (Geemany and Japan) were the two that weren't allowed,or were severely restricted in spending on their armies. The government money went on rebuilding and investing in their manufacturing capability.


Edit:  this is all purely opinion and should not constitute financial advice or long term government planning

Also, as much as the German population moan about the need to bail-out Greece/Spain/Italy/Portugal, the piss poor performance of those countries give them a massive leg up as it keeps the € artificially low compared to the level the Deutsch Mark would have been.... and that keeps their exports much more competitive than they would have been.

R&D does get a tax incentive if over $20k is spent per annum on it - it runs at about 40% returned to the company as an incentive via a reduction to their tax bill. Clicky here. Now they have tightened it up a bit as it was getting a bit of a rort for the miners... Now a lot of the camper manufacturers should be eligible to receive it, and it's not hard to do really...

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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2016, 08:31:30 PM »
An interesting conversation, one that one one with kids needs to take an interest in.  I guess each person will look for a different reason to buy Australian

Some will happily pay more, just because it's Aussie made where others will look for the cheapest thing they can find and don't really care.
I can remember speaking to one local Aussie manufacturer who was roughly twice the price, I asked his salesmen to spell out to me what I was getting that would be better than an import. The only answer was because its Aussie made. They went under a couple of years ago.

Another manufacturer, who was roughly 50% dearer, was able to explain standards of Australian steel, his qualifications as a boilermaker, his warranty, some of the design features of his camper that made it more robust, and longer lasting, options to match wheels to tow vehicle etc. FWIW I went with him, and he is still trading.

So in this micro example, when the value is there people will pay, but Aussie manufacturers better be able to explain how their product is better and how the higher prices are justified. Then I believe most Aussies will support them, but bugger me it's been a tough road for many manufacturers.

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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2016, 09:03:41 PM »
Ps. Not trailers or campers but our own military uniform manufacturing has gone off shore.

Sometimes it takes a team of leaders to stand up and say competition is good to a point but at certain break points things should be made here regardless.

OR we could just lash out a few extra dollars to support locally made?

Then agin i have a locally made camper and its 30% more than the same spec imported. But it will be on the road 10 years from now.

A cheaper solution ISNT the answer every time.

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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2016, 09:09:02 PM »
Ps. Not trailers or campers but our own military uniform manufacturing has gone off shore.

Sometimes it takes a team of leaders to stand up and say competition is good to a point but at certain break points things should be made here regardless.

OR we could just lash out a few extra dollars to support locally made?

Or you might find it cheaper in the longer term when the $ dives and the price of the import skyrockets - I think I cited it earlier the effect that a 15% change in the value of the £ compared to the US$ has had on the UK military budget - about a 2% cut in purchasing power... or a BIG £ drop in the effective size of the budget as more £'s are needed to buy a given amount of US$...

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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2016, 10:23:41 PM »
Ps. Not trailers or campers but our own military uniform manufacturing has gone off shore.

Sometimes it takes a team of leaders to stand up and say competition is good to a point but at certain break points things should be made here regardless.

OR we could just lash out a few extra dollars to support locally made?

A cheaper solution ISNT the answer every time.


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Re: Aust campers recovery from imports
« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2016, 11:33:11 PM »
The mdc cye was made to secure a victory in the camper of the year awards, which it did. Part of the agreement of entering the comp and receiving the award is that the price doesn't increase for 12 months. I also heard that they did it as a loss leader strategy and there is stuff all margin in it for them. Time will tell if there is a price increase after the 12 months, but they are selling well that's for sure.

I have to admit when I bought my camper recently (they came second to MDC in the awards) they said MDC striped out what should have been a $30k camper to compete in the sub $20k section.


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