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Advice needed - Camping in the Snowys in winter
« on: July 22, 2016, 10:23:45 PM »
Hi all. Wasn't sure whether to put this post here or in the trips board. Decided i'd throw it here. Mods feel free to shift it if you think it belongs elsewhere.

I am looking for some advice for a trip I am just starting to plan. I'm looking at taking the family to the snow fields next year and am considering taking the camper and staying in the caravan park at Jindabyne, then just drive up the hill each day we are there. Main reason for this is to save on the accomodation costs as we will have 2 adults and 5 kids.

The camper I take will be my Customline deluxe 12' with the extra drawbar side room. I'm a Queenslander who has never even really camped in winter up here let alone the Snowy's so looking for some advice on if its possible to do comfortably and what is required.

My thoughts at this stage are:
  • Kids will be sleeping on a fold out stretcher each with a 5cm self inflating matress on top, using a -12 rated sleeping bag and sleeping in thermals if necessary.
  • The girl and I will be on the matress with 1-2 winter rated doonas and likely in our thermals.

So the questions I have:
  • I'm considering in tent heating either by getting a diesel heater (probably something like the snugger sf2 remote or a portable reverse cycle 240v air con that I can run on a powered site. Is heating necessary or recommended? Will either of these choices be enough in a large camper trailer?
  • I think I may need to find a way to better seal the open ends of the window openings. Was thinking something like a stick on velcro across the full width of the opening or something like that. A bit worried about the velcro coming away and leaving a sticky residue though. Is sealing these openings required or even recommended? Are there any recommended ways of sealing these?
  • Will the bedding setup noted above be enough to keep the kids warm enough?
  • Will the matress and 1 or 2 thick wool winter class doonas be enough for the girl and I or should I look at an electric blanket or some other way of heating the bed? Or switching to a pair of -12 sleeping bags joined together? Or something else entirely?

Anyway thanks for any info you can share.

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Re: Advice needed - Camping in the Snowys in winter
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2016, 07:58:51 AM »
Hey Mesuite77,

Being a Qlder as well I have absolutely nothing to ad to this thread. Just wanted to watch the answers.
I hate the cold and even just thinking about doing that gives me shivers..............

Best of luck.
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Re: Advice needed - Camping in the Snowys in winter
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2016, 08:09:15 AM »
Youtube!!!! A lot of people in the USA living in tents and campers in winter (in snow and not by choice) plenty of vids with tips, tricks & mods on how to keep your living area wamer.

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Re: Advice needed - Camping in the Snowys in winter
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2016, 10:15:37 AM »
Hi,
    Mains powered heating should cope ok, as long as you don't blow the pole fuse with too much draw.
Definitely have the diesel heater and a fully charged battery as a backup incase you lose mains power with an extended outage though.
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Re: Advice needed - Camping in the Snowys in winter
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2016, 12:28:03 PM »
The coldest we got last school hols was -5.8. It was below 0 each night. Our kids had the same setup as what you propose, but we also bought thermal liners for the sleeping bags. Once you teach a QLD kid to properly prepare for the cold and properly get in a sleeping bag they go ok. Until then they look like a nsw origin side on the verge of a series win - NFI what to do ;)
If you plan on running heating all night long you won't have to invest in so much cold sleeping gear.
The biggest luxury for us was hot water bottles which the kids loved. I didn't mind one either.

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Re: Advice needed - Camping in the Snowys in winter
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2016, 12:40:25 PM »
If you're not used to the cold you will struggle a little bit. But that's not to say its not possible. We dont have heater in our camper but our winter camping temps are only down to about 4-5 at night.  We sit round the fire at night.

You'll be coming back from the snowfields cold and wet and will want somewhere warm and dry afterwards so I'd be looking for some heating unless they've got a camp kitchen/lounge area you can go and hang out in when you get back. Friends of ours take their caravan to Jindabyne every year and leave it there over the season. They just run their van's aircon and a blow heater. They don't have issues with blowing the pole fuses.

The trick to sleeping well at night and keeping warm at night is layering. So if you dont' have a heater, then for the kids I'd have something on top of the inflating mattresses like another blanket or a sheepskin throw to stop teh cold coming up from underneath. Then sleeping bag and maybe another blanket the top of the sleeping bags. Another option is a silk sleeping bag liner. They add about another 2C to the temp inside the sleeping bag.  We winter camp with a mattress and eggshell topper, flannelette sheets, a doona, a polar fleece blanket and thermals. We dont' have a heater.  TBH I end up too hot and end up throwing the sheet off. 

But then again I'm used to the cold. I used to hike in the English lake district in later winter/early spring. We used hiking tents, and slept in British Army Mk2 Arctic Down sleeping bags rated to -29C. We slept in t-shirt and shorts. We've woken up to ice on the tent and the zips frozen shut and our wet hair froze on the way back from the showers but always slept well.   



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Re: Advice needed - Camping in the Snowys in winter
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2016, 05:12:13 PM »
Not sure it is necessary to go to the expense of a diesel heater if you have electricity. If you can afford the space, a smallest size (usually three column) column heater may be worthwhile as you could safely leave it on during the day while you are out - I wouldn't do the same with other heating types except an air conditioner.  I would put greater faith in a heater keeping you warm than an air conditioner.  Then also have a fan heater to really jack up the temp when you are home.  If really worried about a power outage, get one of those butane space heaters - seriously effective but watch the kiddies around it, and don't expect to use it.

Yes to electric blankets. They are cheap and effective and don't take much space packed flat on bed.  They also draw tiny amounts of power so can be run off an inverter if you do get a power outage.   Especially important where you are sleeping above the campers storage space, as that becomes a big cold store in winter so having the heat underneath you is magic.  Don't hesitate to turn them on very early of a night as they contribute to heating the space.  Consider electric blankets for the kids as well - which may work better if you don't have stretchers.  Stretchers allow cold air to pool underneath. 

If the kids can share without murdering each other, consider making a big queen bed by putting inflatables next to each other, blanket on that to hold the heat, then electric blanket and flanny sheets and quilt and blanket over the top.   It isn't necessary to spend on sleeping bags they may never use again.  A long line decent quality t-shirt under pjs works a treat rather than multiple pairs of thermals for day and night wear.

Yes to doing whatever it takes to block major air gaps in the camper.  Also consider putting "stuff" between the kids and the camper walls to act as insulation especially around their heads.  Bags of clothing (dirty is fine),towels, jackets etc.

Where will you be spending your evenings and cooking?  Even if you have a fully enclosed awning, the cook is going to be tired and the awning will be cold, so plan on eating out more than normal.

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Re: Advice needed - Camping in the Snowys in winter
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2016, 05:45:49 PM »
The bowling club in Jindabyne is a good option if you sick of cooking dinner http://jindabynebowlingclub.com.au/the-bowlo-menu/. Used to get our hire gear here http://www.theshedskihire.com.au/. I wouldn't invest in diesel heater for this trip, options others mentioned will do the job. You will want drying room for ski gear and common/TV/Games room , check each park in that regard. There are a couple in Jindabyne and I haven't stayed at them for many years so can't advise which best. If all kids are skiing worth checking package deals including accom/hire/lift/lesson etc at places like The Station. 

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Re: Advice needed - Camping in the Snowys in winter
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2016, 06:17:37 PM »
Just a word about using air mattresses. .....    I don't recommend them....    They are notorious for leaking and going flat....

This happened to us...   "nearly killed us"....   well not really....   but omg ...  because we were otherwise ill-prepared; we  f r o z e overnight up at Killarney one winter....

If you sleep on air mattresses and are relying on them for insulation -- please buy and take a few extra mattresses; as spares...

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Re: Advice needed - Camping in the Snowys in winter
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2016, 07:04:49 PM »
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You may want to consider this place, Adventist  Alpine Village, they have options from camping through to chalets and lodge.
A good alternative, we have stayed in the chalets and they aren't overly dear for Jindabyne.
Only issue for some is that being a Adventist church site that Alchol, and smoking is not allowed, but if you take your empties with you then they never know.
As a place to stay with kids it is great.
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Re: Advice needed - Camping in the Snowys in winter
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2016, 11:46:25 PM »
Another tip is wear your beanie to bed if you don't have a hooded sleeping bag.

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Re: Advice needed - Camping in the Snowys in winter
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2016, 11:09:37 AM »
"we will have 2 adults and 5 kids."

Call me cautious, but a naked flame heater and 5 kids with
lots of nylons etc etc in a confined area would worry me no end.

Not detracting from your risk evaluation M77, just saying..........

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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2016, 03:25:46 PM »
Just a word about using air mattresses. .....    I don't recommend them....    They are notorious for leaking and going flat....

This happened to us...   "nearly killed us"....   well not really....   but omg ...  because we were otherwise ill-prepared; we  f r o z e overnight up at Killarney one winter....

If you sleep on air mattresses and are relying on them for insulation -- please buy and take a few extra mattresses; as spares...

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50mm sims are generally insulated and bonded.

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Re: Advice needed - Camping in the Snowys in winter
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2016, 12:48:56 AM »
Thanks for all the info folks. It is much appreciated. Basically seems like I am on the right track. Seems a diesel heater would be the ideal choice but the expense may not be warranted if eveything else is done properly. I'm not too worried about spending a little getting set up as the kids (my 2. Blended family so 2 of mine 3 of hers) and I did the snow in a resort last year and really enjoyed it. Enough that we plan to do it more regularly anyway. Just now need to factor an extra 4 bodies into any trips which makes staying in resort accomodation prohibitive. Hell it was pretty expensive even just for the 3 of us.

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This looks pretty good though I'm not sure I would feel comfortable sleeping in a tent with a combustion based heater running in the room. But could be good for preheating the tent quickly when we get home then letting a column heater or something similar handle the heating overnight.

Anthony
You may want to consider this place, Adventist  Alpine Village, they have options from camping through to chalets and lodge.
A good alternative, we have stayed in the chalets and they aren't overly dear for Jindabyne.
Only issue for some is that being a Adventist church site that Alchol, and smoking is not allowed, but if you take your empties with you then they never know.
As a place to stay with kids it is great.
Link
http://www.alpinevillage.com.au


Will keep this in mind though I know that I enjoy a wine and or port at the end of a day of skiing so may be somewhat not appropriate.

Another tip is wear your beanie to bed if you don't have a hooded sleeping bag.


Yeah, thanks for the reminder. Definitely including this in the must do's.

50mm sims are generally insulated and bonded.


Yeah a 50mm self inlfating mattress is foam cored and bonded so they provide the insulation. But will consider adding an extra layer on top of the SIM to further insulate.

The bowling club in Jindabyne is a good option if you sick of cooking dinner http://jindabynebowlingclub.com.au/the-bowlo-menu/. Used to get our hire gear here http://www.theshedskihire.com.au/. I wouldn't invest in diesel heater for this trip, options others mentioned will do the job. You will want drying room for ski gear and common/TV/Games room , check each park in that regard. There are a couple in Jindabyne and I haven't stayed at them for many years so can't advise which best. If all kids are skiing worth checking package deals including accom/hire/lift/lesson etc at places like The Station.


Thanks for the tips. I was considering hiring from Thredbo/Perisher itself as that way if there are any issues with the gear when out skiing they are right there on the mountain. My understanding is the Jindabyne Holiday park and Discovery Park Jindabyne both have a gear drying room and a common room with fire and shared kitchen facilities etc. Will definitely be confirming this before booking though.

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Re: Advice needed - Camping in the Snowys in winter
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2016, 08:11:14 AM »
Gday mesuitte77
I go down to the snow regularly, & when I'm  by myself i take my homemade hybrid camper.
I usually stay at the discovery park but went to the holiday park in town last trip. While the holiday park is handy to town, the downside i found was the amenities block was like a sauna with condensation dripping from the roof & all over the walls. Certainly not what you want when trying to dry off after a shower before going to bed down there.
Also, in the morning, if you stay at the discovery & are going to perisher, you dont get caught in the traffic jam leaving jindy.
It's also a beautiful walk along the lake foreshore between the discovery & jindy town.
As you can probably tell, the discovery park is my choice.
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Re: Advice needed - Camping in the Snowys in winter
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2016, 08:31:50 AM »
Gday mesuitte77
I go down to the snow regularly, & when I'm  by myself i take my homemade hybrid camper.
I usually stay at the discovery park but went to the holiday park in town last trip. While the holiday park is handy to town, the downside i found was the amenities block was like a sauna with condensation dripping from the roof & all over the walls. Certainly not what you want when trying to dry off after a shower before going to bed down there.
Also, in the morning, if you stay at the discovery & are going to perisher, you dont get caught in the traffic jam leaving jindy.
It's also a beautiful walk along the lake foreshore between the discovery & jindy town.
As you can probably tell, the discovery park is my choice.
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Thanks some great info. I was leaning toward Discovery anyway but now definitely seems like the way to go. How do you find the communal room / games rooom there if you've used it? Also do you use the drying room there? Any issues or concerns there?
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2016, 11:13:02 AM »
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Haven't really used the games room but the kitchen area is as good as others I've been too.
Can get tv reception if you take your own aerial & tv.
There is a drying room. It has lockers that you can hire, or just leave your gear in the drying room. I always use a locker. For a family you'd probably need 2 lockers.
I recommend the walk along the bike track around the lake from the park to jindy if your having a day off or an early mark from skiing. Did it last year on a sunny calm day & it was like one of those zen moments you hear about.
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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2016, 12:10:34 PM »
Loose the air mattreses as your body heat is always trying to heat the air in the mattress

Something like a yoga mat will be fine on a stretcher and give a little more insulation
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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2016, 02:24:55 PM »
50mm sims are generally insulated and bonded.

I was talking about those horrible cheap inflatable mattresses...   

The self inflating ones would have been way better..

But being inexperienced at the time; as well as a cheap charlie;

I thought to myself as I paid for it;  -- what could go possibly wrong with buying the cheapy...   

Afterall; the thing comes flocked; and swmbo has plently of hot air with which to inflate it - LOL.
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