Author Topic: Driving on dirt roads  (Read 24485 times)

0 Members and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline oldkid

  • Learning the Ropes
  • *
  • Posts: 9
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2016, 11:06:30 AM »
Hello
We were also travelling to and from the BRB. As we were not towing on this trip , i as the driver am guilty on passing on dirt roads. I hope and believe i followed the right procedure and only passed vehicles when i had plenty of time to do it rather slowly as to not to throw up to many stones etc.However i was the victim of substantial damage.... Three spotlights and a windscreen  :'( not mention severe stone chips to bullbar and vehicle. I do believe however that you have to expect  some damage to vehicles when travelling on these roads but there were a few cowboys out there that's for sure.
Cheers
Gav

Offline JD-120

  • Hard Floor Camper User
  • *****
  • Posts: 849
  • Thanked: 63 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2016, 12:28:53 PM »


Yep, everybody wants to be a traffic cop.

Not me


Sent from my HTC_0PJA10 using Tapatalk

Cheers

Justin

Offline Joff

  • "This is my Custom User Title"
  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 2181
  • Thanked: 365 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2016, 02:32:16 PM »
I know it would be bad for several industries and for the livelyhoods of many but i wish i could go back to the days when hardly anyone was out there and people just got on with it rather than getting all holier than though about nambi pambi ettequite, the correct way, the safe proceedure, the right cb channel, the convoy method and all the other bs that has grown out of the 4wd club nonsense.

HDJ-105 full dresser plus modded Allterrain and NO BLING
The following users thanked this post: slave

Offline doc evil

  • Soft Floor Camper User
  • ****
  • Posts: 713
  • Thanked: 87 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2016, 05:01:47 PM »
I know it would be bad for several industries and for the livelyhoods of many but i wish i could go back to the days when hardly anyone was out there and people just got on with it rather than getting all holier than though about nambi pambi ettequite, the correct way, the safe proceedure, the right cb channel, the convoy method and all the other bs that has grown out of the 4wd club nonsense.

Sorry Joff, but the nambi pambi ettequite as you so eloquently put it, is driven by the select few within clubs who see fit to exploit the insurance requirements of clubs. Thus leading to rules and regulations to cover said clubs backsides from making claims containing exorbitant excess ($5k in some instances) and the stigma regarding said claim.

I have wheeled with you and even then, we had a prescribed uhf channel, convoy procedure and vehicle recovery procedure (even old hoggie would have set a procedure to skull drag your truck and camper across the Simpson).

Nothing has changed other than the views of people who expect everyone else to pander to their needs You head bush and encounter the occasional stone flicked up. Fact of life.
Yes people, you head bush (or even the open bitumen road) your vehicle WILL sustain a chip or scratch or heaven forbid a flat tyre.............
2005 4.2TD ST Patrol 4 door ute, lifted, locked, ARB barred and Warn winched, 33" Cooper ST Maxx.....and a denco turbo upgrade! mmmm power.....

UIZ733

  • Guest
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2016, 05:29:58 PM »
Often intrigues me as to why so many people are in a hurry, particularly in a place that is meant to be enjoyed for its serenity.

Offline Symon

  • Big sparks r us
  • Electrimagician
  • Hard Top Camper User
  • *****
  • Posts: 5691
  • Thanked: 173 times
  • Gender: Male
  • www.phased.com.au
    • Web Server in a Box Project
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2016, 05:21:09 AM »
Yep, everybody wants to be a traffic cop.  But unless you have been a traffic cop for many, many years, watching and studying oncoming traffic and knowing their actual speed (measured by a calibrated radar) then, and only then, after all those years of day in and day out experience, will you have any idea of a vehicle's actual speed.  I defy anybody who is not an experienced traffic cop to accurately determine the speed of an oncoming vehicle.

Exactly.

When up the cape one year I came around a tight corner and encountered a vehicle coming the other way who was the first of a convoy, I think I took him a bit by surprise.  They were on the same channel as us so I heard him announce - "white landcruiser going very $%#*ing fast, watch out".  I glanced down at the speedo and I was doing 40.  Yep, really fast.

As previously said, it doesn't take much speed to flick up rocks.  If you drive on dirt roads, you are going to cop the occasional stone to the windscreen, fact of life.
Do not PM me for technical advice - start a thread.
HDJ79 Ute - 100 Series Sahara - 2002 Kimberley Kamper - No ATS yet - Survivor of 5 McGirr trips-Cape 09,11,12,14 & Gulf 13

Offline Joff

  • "This is my Custom User Title"
  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 2181
  • Thanked: 365 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2016, 10:27:40 AM »
Sorry Joff, but the nambi pambi ettequite as you so eloquently put it, is driven by the select few within clubs who see fit to exploit the insurance requirements of clubs. Thus leading to rules and regulations to cover said clubs backsides from making claims containing exorbitant excess ($5k in some instances) and the stigma regarding said claim.

I have wheeled with you and even then, we had a prescribed uhf channel, convoy procedure and vehicle recovery procedure (even old hoggie would have set a procedure to skull drag your truck and camper across the Simpson).

Nothing has changed other than the views of people who expect everyone else to pander to their needs You head bush and encounter the occasional stone flicked up. Fact of life.
Yes people, you head bush (or even the open bitumen road) your vehicle WILL sustain a chip or scratch or heaven forbid a flat tyre.............

G'day Doc. How ya been ya big unit (one of the few I can say that too hahaha.. )

I'm not really sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing but but let me clarify something. I have no issue with bush etiquette, responsible convoys, people using CB's, being safe etc etc. My comments relate to the self-righteous way in which people today proselytise the 'right and correct' etiquette, convoy procedure, CB channel or road speed etc as though these things have somehow been ratified into some sort of canonised law. I'm not using religious language by accident here either; clubs, forums, FB groups etc are full of these doctrinal rules that are seemingly irrefutable and while - unlike real religion :angel:; - some of it has a base of truth or at least good judgment, the way in which a lot of folks come to this sort of travel today is via these groups so become indoctrinated to expect things to run as smooth as their drive to work.

There is an expectation that everyone in these places should operate to the same rules that are laid down by these groups and when they don't there is an air or indignation toward them.

Three weeks ago, like many, we headed to Birdsville. We passed many ‘locals’ heading in the other direction that didn’t slow down much or certainly weren’t following any of these ‘rules’. Who am I to get all high and mighty because they drove past me the same way they pass their neighbours 365 days a year?

And, for the record, Hoggy dragged me over only about 5 crests and two mud lakes ;D the Fat Corolla did rather well otherwise I thought.  :laugh:     
 

HDJ-105 full dresser plus modded Allterrain and NO BLING

Offline tombie

  • Tent User
  • ***
  • Posts: 109
  • Thanked: 16 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2016, 01:33:52 PM »
Insurance will go the other driver for cost of windscreen replacement. It is your right it's just prior to technology (dash cams) it's was almost impossible to prove who caused the breakage.


Offline The punter

  • "avoiding grey nomads since 2011"
  • Hard Floor Camper User
  • *****
  • Posts: 1345
  • Thanked: 113 times
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2016, 01:44:38 PM »
Whatever happened to just not being a w@nker?
13 FJ Cruiser
15 Lifestyle Reconn
1980 HJ45

KingBilly

  • Guest
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2016, 05:05:54 PM »
Insurance will go the other driver for cost of windscreen replacement. It is your right it's just prior to technology (dash cams) it's was almost impossible to prove who caused the breakage.

Let me get this right.  You have dash cam footage of being overtaken on a dirt road and a stone is flung up by the passing vehicle, your windsreen is damaged, you hand the dash cam footage over to your insurance company and they send the bill to the other vehicle?

KB

Offline doc evil

  • Soft Floor Camper User
  • ****
  • Posts: 713
  • Thanked: 87 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2016, 06:53:56 PM »
G'day Doc. How ya been ya big unit (one of the few I can say that too hahaha.. )

I'm not really sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing but but let me clarify something. I have no issue with bush etiquette, responsible convoys, people using CB's, being safe etc etc. My comments relate to the self-righteous way in which people today proselytise the 'right and correct' etiquette, convoy procedure, CB channel or road speed etc as though these things have somehow been ratified into some sort of canonised law. I'm not using religious language by accident here either; clubs, forums, FB groups etc are full of these doctrinal rules that are seemingly irrefutable and while - unlike real religion :angel:; - some of it has a base of truth or at least good judgment, the way in which a lot of folks come to this sort of travel today is via these groups so become indoctrinated to expect things to run as smooth as their drive to work.

There is an expectation that everyone in these places should operate to the same rules that are laid down by these groups and when they don't there is an air or indignation toward them.

Three weeks ago, like many, we headed to Birdsville. We passed many ‘locals’ heading in the other direction that didn’t slow down much or certainly weren’t following any of these ‘rules’. Who am I to get all high and mighty because they drove past me the same way they pass their neighbours 365 days a year?

And, for the record, Hoggy dragged me over only about 5 crests and two mud lakes ;D the Fat Corolla did rather well otherwise I thought.  :laugh:     
 

Hey Joff.........recon that you'll  be bigger than me now......lost over 60kg mate......soooooo how's it going ya big unit  ;D ;)........hope all is well with the joff clan.

I'm in agreement about the the way it has become with the righteous few who try and police said ettequite into law however,  I disagree with the dig at clubs etc. Knowing your views on clubs and the hierarchy therein, I  was stating where the convoluted ettequite and laws are derived from......in my opinion the few who reiterate these club requirements outside the club environment are to blame as well as their blind followers............and yes,  your religious analogy is spot on........
2005 4.2TD ST Patrol 4 door ute, lifted, locked, ARB barred and Warn winched, 33" Cooper ST Maxx.....and a denco turbo upgrade! mmmm power.....

Offline tombie

  • Tent User
  • ***
  • Posts: 109
  • Thanked: 16 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2016, 07:58:09 PM »
Let me get this right.  You have dash cam footage of being overtaken on a dirt road and a stone is flung up by the passing vehicle, your windsreen is damaged, you hand the dash cam footage over to your insurance company and they send the bill to the other vehicle?

KB

Yes. Have done it and know personally of others who have done the same.

KingBilly

  • Guest
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2016, 08:18:10 PM »
Yes. Have done it and know personally of others who have done the same.

Only dirt roads?  What about on the blacktop?  I got a large stone chip from a passing truck the other day?

Also what is the name of your insurance company if you don't mind me asking?  My insurance is due soon.

KB

Offline duggie

  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 2455
  • Thanked: 176 times
  • Gender: Male
  • Dont you just love it.
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2016, 08:27:11 PM »



Let me get this right.  You have dash cam footage of being overtaken on a dirt road and a stone is flung up by the passing vehicle, your windsreen is damaged, you hand the dash cam footage over to your insurance company and they send the bill to the other vehicle?

KB
Yes. Have done it and know personally of others who have done the same.


I will say this 

If I ever receive a bill for someone's else glass replacement, it will never be paid.
" Old Nissans Just Keep On Truckin On "

Offline GeoffA

  • 2017 National Meet Volunteer
  • Hard Top Camper User
  • *****
  • Posts: 8493
  • Thanked: 607 times
  • Gender: Male
  • "If 1 axle is good, 2 must be better........."
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2016, 08:37:38 PM »
I'm with you duggie....

Do people really believe that they are so righteous that their car has never thrown one at someone else???

 :cheers:
Geoff and Kay

1999 GU TD42T wagon
2005 Coota Camper - gone, but never forgotten
2020 North Coast 15' Titanium - tandem, of course

Land Cruiser.....the Patrol that Toyota try to build.....

Offline Symon

  • Big sparks r us
  • Electrimagician
  • Hard Top Camper User
  • *****
  • Posts: 5691
  • Thanked: 173 times
  • Gender: Male
  • www.phased.com.au
    • Web Server in a Box Project
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2016, 08:42:30 PM »
I'm with you duggie....

Do people really believe that they are so righteous that their car has never thrown one at someone else???

 :cheers:

Something like..... people with glass windscreens, shouldn't throw stones......  ;D






It's OK, I'll show myself out  ;D
Do not PM me for technical advice - start a thread.
HDJ79 Ute - 100 Series Sahara - 2002 Kimberley Kamper - No ATS yet - Survivor of 5 McGirr trips-Cape 09,11,12,14 & Gulf 13

Offline GeoffA

  • 2017 National Meet Volunteer
  • Hard Top Camper User
  • *****
  • Posts: 8493
  • Thanked: 607 times
  • Gender: Male
  • "If 1 axle is good, 2 must be better........."
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2016, 08:45:20 PM »
Something like..... people with glass windscreens, shouldn't throw stones......  ;D

It's OK, I'll show myself out  ;D

 :cup: :cup:

or....

Let he who is without dash-cam cast the first stone......

 :cheers:
« Last Edit: July 18, 2016, 09:01:25 PM by GeoffA »
Geoff and Kay

1999 GU TD42T wagon
2005 Coota Camper - gone, but never forgotten
2020 North Coast 15' Titanium - tandem, of course

Land Cruiser.....the Patrol that Toyota try to build.....

Offline tombie

  • Tent User
  • ***
  • Posts: 109
  • Thanked: 16 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2016, 12:50:26 AM »
Same context then fellas; if your neighbour is mowing and a Rock flicks up and breaks your window?

Or if someone's tyre delaminates and smashes your car?

Either way I don't care. I sent the vid to my insurance and didn't have to pay for the stone damage to my vehicle.. (Was actually a wheel weight that hit)

Offline Joff

  • "This is my Custom User Title"
  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 2181
  • Thanked: 365 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2016, 09:00:39 AM »
Same context then fellas; if your neighbour is mowing and a Rock flicks up and breaks your window?

Or if someone's tyre delaminates and smashes your car?

Either way I don't care. I sent the vid to my insurance and didn't have to pay for the stone damage to my vehicle.. (Was actually a wheel weight that hit)

Its a grey area but id err on the side of what is reasonable to expect. I think it is reasonable to expect your neighbour to pay damages because it is reasonable to expect that he can avoid flicking stones. Copping a rock or even a wheel weight picked up randomly by a passing tyre is not something that the otber driver can really control.

And if you can show that the wheel weight came directly from the rim, i hope you followed the path all the way back to the installer. And if he can show due dillegence, the manufacturer.  :angel:

All that said, the proliferation of dash cams and their owners propensity to use them like this may actually slow the OP's Cruiser driver and the like down if they start getting bills from insurers.
HDJ-105 full dresser plus modded Allterrain and NO BLING

Offline SambOz

  • Tent User
  • ***
  • Posts: 239
  • Thanked: 23 times
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2016, 09:12:18 AM »
Its not really that hard surely? Just because you can drive fast on the dirt roads, please show some courtesy to other road users and slow down when passing.
We have traveled just over 7000kms in just under 2 weeks to Birdsville and back to Perth with over 3000kms on dirt roads.
Most cars that we passed, slowed right down which meant no flying stones and a friendly wave.
If you are the driver of a white 200 series towing a camper that was traveling south on the Birdsville track on the weekend before the Big Red Bash, you should be ashamed. If you dont know how to drive in the country, then stay the hell out!!!
I passed you on a rather nasty stony part of the track and kept hoping that you would slow down as you approached. Instead I got a shower of rocks which resulted in 2 small stone chips and an egg size rock which gave me this one. I was lucky that the damage did not put me  off the road in a remote location.
I wont post your rego on this forum, but I will be keeping your photo from dash cam in the hope that I will run into you again one day.

Agree with you Pank, doesn't matter where we meet other vehicles, some common courtesy should always be shown and slowing down to reduce stone likelyhood/velocity is just common sense.

If I can see them coming far enough away to slow down and get off the road I do so.

Some ignorant bstrds out there !

Offline Joff

  • "This is my Custom User Title"
  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 2181
  • Thanked: 365 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2016, 09:18:06 AM »
Hey Joff.........recon that you'll  be bigger than me now......lost over 60kg mate......soooooo how's it going ya big unit  ;D ;)........hope all is well with the joff clan.



Well done mate. I bet the knees feel better for it. Clan is good. Thanks for asking :cup:
HDJ-105 full dresser plus modded Allterrain and NO BLING

Offline cruiser 91

  • Soft Floor Camper User
  • ****
  • Posts: 447
  • Thanked: 34 times
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2016, 07:09:41 PM »
I can see it in the not too distant future....................America....................here we come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!right behind ya  >:D
Open season for lawyers...................

Keep Australia Aussie I say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hell's Gate, Worlds End, South Australia.

Offline cruiser 91

  • Soft Floor Camper User
  • ****
  • Posts: 447
  • Thanked: 34 times
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2016, 07:17:08 PM »
What ever happened too........................

Dave: Christ Jim.....................was trallen down the Gib and coped this rock the size of ****en Mars from this bastard com'in the other way. Smashed me windscreen real good.
Jim: Jeesssssssssss Mate, thats a Shit! that's what you get for liv'in in this great country of ours.
Dave: Fuk yeh Jim, wouldn't change it for the world Mate.
Jim: Fuk yeh Dave!
Dave: Ya right on the buzzer Jim! Those city folk aint got no hope!
Jim: Fuk yeh Dave...........my shout. 
:cheers:

Don't cry over spilt milk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The age of entitlement is whats sending the prices up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for the rant...................few beers
« Last Edit: July 19, 2016, 07:31:26 PM by cruiser 91 »
Hell's Gate, Worlds End, South Australia.

Offline macca

  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 1883
  • Thanked: 196 times
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2016, 07:01:02 AM »
Insurance will go the other driver for cost of windscreen replacement. It is your right it's just prior to technology (dash cams) it's was almost impossible to prove who caused the breakage.
Are you serious, isnt it just a part of life that if you drive on dirt roads one day you a going to get a stone hit your windscreen. Stick your head under your camper and you will get an idea of all the lethal little missiles you have been chucking up at other drivers. Im with duggie and geoff, it would be a cold day in hell before you got a cent out of me

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk


Offline moose2367

  • Tent User
  • ***
  • Posts: 110
  • Thanked: 7 times
Re: Driving on dirt roads
« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2016, 11:13:36 AM »
Who's to say the wheel weight mentioned earlier came off that particular vehicle, could've been laying on the road for weeks.

As others have said,  people today always try to find blame for something that has happened. 

Get back in the real world and realise sometimes Shit happens.  Get a life and get on with it

Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk