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Re: Imported Campers
« Reply #75 on: June 03, 2016, 10:26:27 PM »
Looks like this old thread has reignited again.. Anyways my 2c.

Firstly I don't blame China for copying Oz made campers. I do blame the Aussies who took measurements, photos and in some obvious cases sent an Oz made CT over to China and said make this, like this but cheap.  It was Aussies ripping off other Aussies plans and development work.
Some of these are just blatant and obvious clone copies of the Oz made original.  Sadly, some of these companies have even used a similar model name on the CT/Hybrid/caravan so they are stealing the Oz made manufactures model number as well.  To me that should be a crime and it is a damn shame to the oz made developers who did the original OT&E just to have the idea stolen from them. 

In saying that, I have never seen an Oz made CT that looks the same as my import. Nope, not even similar.

A lot of these CT sellers that directly import campers from China have certainly let down the customer when it comes to warranty issues; sadly I put this down to greed.  I say greed as some of them are doubling their investment and giving SFA support with warranty.

I remember being told my imported CT would be a pile of rust within two years, it would fall to bits on its first real trip off road.  The canvas would rot, the zippers would break, the wiring was dodgy with wires just twisted together, and a lot more other stories.
 It is still alive after three years, hasn't rusted or fallen apart yet, no probs with rotting canvas, no zipper failures and all the joined wiring was soldered and heat shrunk; maybe next year everything will fail  ;D.

Either way, I have been out exploring, 4wding, camping and enjoying the life style that goes with all of those things at a fraction of the cost of buying an equivalent Oz made CT.  I am not sorry for making that decision or the decision to own cars imported from Overseas or buying 90% of my clothes and household goods that also are imported from overseas. It is just a fact of life with just about everything we buy. 

As people would know that have read my CT thread, I have modified my CT in a lot of areas to improve its capability.   I got my CT $4-5k below retail price.  Most of my mods havnt cost a whole lot of $$$ but I have certainly spent a lot of my own time completing them.  A lot of these mods have been addressed by importers so the newer models are so much better than mine was 3'years ago.

Not all similar looking imported CT's are the same quality.   I agree with KB, MDC have certainly lifted their game on their product but I am pretty sure I know where they got some of their original designs from.

I remember going to the camping show in Cairns last year looking at about 7 or 8 different branded companies importing the same looking hard floor rear folding CT.  On close inspection, the quality between the best and the worst was a huge difference. The price tag however was very similar between all of them.  Buyer beware, if you don't know what you are looking at, swallow your pride and either pay someone or get a mate with the knowledge to check it over for you.

I have met quite a few members of the forum whom have had a real good look over my CT.   Quite a few members have said to me that in hindsight, they wished that they had bought a CT like mine instead of paying the extra $$$ to get Oz made.  Some of these members are very intelligent, capable tradies that can weld, fabricate and modify their own vehicles and CT's so they know what they are talking about.

As I have said on many occasions, I couldn't care whether your CT or vehicle was made in Oz or imported. I don't judge people on those things nor do I criticise them for it.  Either way, I just want to go camping.    :cheers:  to all.  Muz.


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Re: Imported Campers
« Reply #76 on: June 03, 2016, 11:56:23 PM »
As an owner and fan of a LCT (Lifestyle Camper Trailers) hybrid; I am a bit amazed at the amount of similarities between the innovators, and the ripoffs*....   (read LCT & MDC).......

But as others have said. ...  it's not the Chinese manufacturers at blame; it's the onshore companies blatantly stealing* these concepts that are the bit ordinary. ....

But that's nothing new - at the end of the day it's all about people taking advantage* of others' toil and R&dev....  and consumers "bagging a bargain" ...    most of the savings in the buying prices being down to* the cost of labour, and the savings in not paying anything for your own R&dev*....

For the Brisbanites and others; good thing the Caravan show is coming up - so that it may give people a good chance of accurately comparing. .... quality vs dollars. ...

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Re: Imported Campers
« Reply #77 on: June 04, 2016, 10:18:35 AM »
The shows are useful

Take someone along with an engineering background if you aren't sure. All the hoo haa about Only being allowed to comment if you own one is garbage. Qualified tradesmen know quality upon close inspection and at the show that is easy to look over all of them, ask the awkward questions and see through some of the embarrassing sales tactics

Shows and forums are really good to help buyers make an informed choice, the fact that one business resorts to legal action speaks volumes.
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Re: Imported Campers
« Reply #78 on: June 04, 2016, 10:19:11 AM »
I'd love to see the production line doing the Pre Delivery inspections on them at 17 a day

No prob.

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Wheels - 2 of /

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Re: Imported Campers
« Reply #79 on: June 04, 2016, 10:26:54 AM »
No prob.

Drawbar - seen /

Wheels - 2 of /

Sides - there /

Lid - there /

OK, another one all ticked off & ready to go! Is it smoko time yet?  >:D

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Re: Imported Campers
« Reply #80 on: June 04, 2016, 11:20:48 AM »
Ezytrail posted an interesting blog on their web page. Worth a read while thinking about Chinese  campers.
http://www.ezytrailcampertrailers.com.au/blog/the-chinese-camper-trailer-paradigm/


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Re: Imported Campers
« Reply #81 on: June 04, 2016, 11:53:22 AM »
Those who know me also know that I have an Australian made camp trailer. I have had this trailer for 7 years and at the time of purchase I decided that this Australian made soft floor camp trailer fitted my style of camping and was a great platform to adapt/modify for my own personnel needs and requirements.

I have towed ( flogged ) this trailer up to the cape and over some of the roughest tracks in the Great Far North , as yet all that I have had to repair is a broken/lost spring hanger pin/bolt, and weld a couple of cracks up that were due to my modifications not the builders design or manufacturing.

Yes I am very happy with my Australian made camp trailer, BUT

I have met quite a few members of the forum whom have had a real good look over my CT.   Quite a few members have said to me that in hindsight, they wished that they had bought a CT like mine instead of paying the extra $$$ to get Oz made.  Some of these members are very intelligent, capable tradies that can weld, fabricate and modify their own vehicles and CT's so they know what they are talking about.

  :cheers:  to all.  Muz.

If I were to buy a Camp trailer today I would be buying an Imported camp trailer.

For the same money that I spent on my Australian built camp trailer seven years ago, I could buy an Imported camp trailer today with more features ( even after all my mods ) better looking ( more bling ) and in a hard floor. AND still have some change.

Yes, I may have had to do some more repairs over the same period of time, but after all how many days/weeks do we actually spend away in our camp trailer.

Most people are like me and they store their camp trailer away from the elements when not been used, so they don't deteriorate all that much over a long period of time.

Most of the reports that I have heard of or read about on Imported camp trailers are simple repairs.

Shoddy welds - simple - grind, clean and re-weld

Shoddy wiring - again simple - clean , solder and heat shrink.

Buggered shocks - replace with better quality - again very simple .

Wheel bearings - as above - replace with better quality - again very simple .

There are some who have complained about canvas quality/workmanship , this is also stated by some owners of Australian built campers.

It comes down to peoples expectations , there is a saying , "You only get what you pay for " and if you expect to get a Rolls Royce but only prepared to spend a Minnie Minor budget you are going to be disappointed.

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Re: Imported Campers
« Reply #82 on: June 04, 2016, 12:05:21 PM »
Thanks for posting this up, Salty...  an interesting read..

But I had to smile at some of Mr Porter's self-justifications; self promotion; and "spin"...

Take a look at his last "busted myth" - and look below at my tongue-in-cheek rewrite of it ... a different version of reality, if you like...  LOL


Myth No. 6 (the Final Myth)

“Chinese Imports take jobs away from local manufacturers”, Ezytrail has three assembly plants in Australia, all of which employ labour to build and assemble our trailers, we have over 50 employees’ from Sales Staff and Admin to Graphic Designers and Web builders, Assemblers and Stores Staff throughout our various Branch’s nationwide that make up the Ezytrail Group of companies. We think we are supporting Australian jobs even if many don’t, you can be that judge of that yourselves as we are continuously growing year by year.

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Myth No. 6 (the Final Myth)  RE-WRITE

“Chinese Imports take jobs away from local manufacturers”
#  Well of course we have to admit that this is true.. 
#  Whilst Ezytrail does have 3 assembly plants in Australia, all of which by necessity have to begrudging employ relatively very expensive Aussie labour to build and assemble our Chinese manufactured trailers...
#  I can say that we still do have over 50 employees here in Australia...   But I don't need to mention how many are full time; casual; or contracted employees, do I?
#  From Sales Staff; and Admin; to Graphic Designers; and Web builders, Assemblers; and Stores Staff throughout our various Branch’s nationwide; ...that make up the Ezytrail Group of companies.
#  If this appears a little like "smoke and mirrors" - of course I am dredging up every last one of our workers I can think of to get to the 50 body count... 
#  We don't really think we are supporting Australian jobs; as many would agree.
#  If we really cared about that - we would be employing not 50; but 500 workers - most of whom would be involved in the hands-on part of our CT manufacturing process...  Yep - all the stuff we are getting done in China at the moment...,
#  But we do know that many of you will continue to be the judge of that yourselves as we are continuously growing year by year - as you all continually flock to our products; because we can sell cheaper than the locally manufactured stuff...

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Re: Imported Campers
« Reply #83 on: June 04, 2016, 12:10:17 PM »
Ezytrail posted an interesting blog on their web page. Worth a read while thinking about Chinese  campers.
http://www.ezytrailcampertrailers.com.au/blog/the-chinese-camper-trailer-paradigm/


Cheers,

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   Interesting that you mention this particular brand. My original comments were not so much aimed at the "Chinese product" but rather the level of expertise of companies doing the importing. Just to give an example, I looked at three different camper trailers last Sunday, they were all the same camper but imported under three different "brands". Camper 1 had a tare of 1840kg, camper 2 had a tare of 1620kg and camper 3 had a tare of 1380kg. All three had near identical equipment levels. This is not an issue of the manufacturer but the spin of the Australian importer. How can you have a variance of nearly 500kg in the tare weight of three identical products? Some companies are having people on. For what it's worth I reckon the quality of the imported product has improved considerably over the last five years, I just don't know that you can make the same claim about the people importing them.

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Re: Imported Campers
« Reply #84 on: June 04, 2016, 12:27:37 PM »
For what it's worth I reckon the quality of the imported product has improved considerably over the last five years, I just don't know that you can make the same claim about the people importing them.

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Re: Imported Campers
« Reply #85 on: June 04, 2016, 01:20:01 PM »
Ezytrail posted an interesting blog on their web page. Worth a read while thinking about Chinese  campers.
http://www.ezytrailcampertrailers.com.au/blog/the-chinese-camper-trailer-paradigm/


Myth No. 1
“Our products are unique and we were the first to design them, everyone else copies us”, Did you know? The Rear Fold Hard Floor Camper Trailer is an Australian design from about the mid-1960s, however the Forward Fold Hard Floor Camper trailer was designed in China by the owner of one of the largest Camper Trailer Manufacturers over there.

Reality
 The Chinese factories copied an already in production Australian forward fold camper trailer. The first ones having been produced as far back as the mid 1980's and over the next ten years or so were refined by others. And, yes the original concept has been copied even by Oz manufactures, but the concept remains Australian. The first time I saw an Australian made forward fold was 2010 and I went on to purchase from that manufacturer two years later. So, a fair question to ask is when did the first Chinese made one sell here and who was the company that imported it?  Of course over time the Chinese factories have evolved their designs and features and some assemblers/importers have invested money in their own products and to be fair the quality has improved on some brands. However,  I find it quite annoying when companies who import/assemble Chinese products try to reinvent the history of camper trailers in Oz. For the record the information I have regarding forward fold evolution in Oz come from a well respected and long term Australian camper trailer manufacturer.

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Re: Imported Campers
« Reply #86 on: June 04, 2016, 01:47:40 PM »
Camper 1 had a tare of 1840kg, camper 2 had a tare of 1620kg and camper 3 had a tare of 1380kg. All three had near identical equipment levels. This is not an issue of the manufacturer but the spin of the Australian importer. How can you have a variance of nearly 500kg in the tare weight of three identical products? Some companies are having people on.
Much has been said about the 'Australian' product and how it has been 'knocked off' by the Chinese.
The original Australian product in many instances has significant design and manufacturing deficiencies, particularly in relation to weight. Dodgy tare, gross and ball weight data is commonplace for many of these lauded products.
It is now common place to have new vehicle suspension upgraded and other engineering 'enhancements' done to enable the vehicle to tow these wonderful products.  Australian manufacturers seem to be immune to criticism in relation to their deficiencies despite being fundamental to road safety. It is depressing to see that many of these 'premium' brands have done little or nothing to correct these solvable problems. Those marketing imported products are in very good company it would seem.
Modern design (CNC, CAD and Finite Element Analysis to name a few) and manufacturing techniques coupled with new light weight materials should make it easy to make necessary changes or modifications. These same manufacturers do little because many are lazy and we continue to buy the product anyway. Why change when you are onto a 'good thing' I guess.
The only thing that may change their behavior is competition. For the recored I do not and have never owned a Chinese camper. Would I? Absolutely, if the quality and value for money stacked up.