Daylight Savings - 4 more sleeps

[tryagain]

This does not mean that 45.5% voted for daylight savings.

Most of what you have said and quoted I agree with but not sure what you mean by this.

Premier rules out daylight savings referendum.

As I mentioned I think its only a matter of time before its revisited, that wont be in the life of this parliament for various reasons, the biggest one being political expediency and the FNQ MP's holding the balance of power.
When the Premier uses phrases like "other priorities" and "There are no plans during this term of government to introduce daylight saving in Queensland" they are a not a the moment comment's not a never. It might be another 10+ years but I think it will eventually happen.

Unlike the rest of New South Wales, Broken Hill (and the surrounding region) observes Australian Central Standard Time

Yep, just as I said.

[Troopy_03]

Change your clock, change your smoke alarm battery!

Don't need to, I put QLD batteries in mine... 

[achjimmy]

The West of NSW operates on a different time zone to the rest of the state without any major issues I cant see any issue with allowing the north and west their own choice as to if they want to join SEQ or not.

Unlike the rest of New South Wales, Broken Hill (and the surrounding region) observes Australian Central Standard Time (UTC+9:30), the same time zone used in South Australia and the Northern Territory. This is because at the time the Australian dominions adopted standard time, Broken Hill's only direct rail link was with Adelaide, not Sydney

Just on that, can anybody think of another state or Provence anywhere that has diffent time zones within its borders?  Sorry OT

[GBC]

Just had Easter hols down in daylight savings land. What a complete wank.

[alnjan]

Just on that, can anybody think of another state or Provence anywhere that has diffent time zones within its borders?  Sorry OT

Yep

http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-australia24.php

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

Broken Hill doesn't operate on EST. and it's in NSW.

[Alan Loy]

Keep in mind how far east Brisbane is.  Sunrise there was 5.59 today, at Birdsville 6.30 and Melbourne 6.37.

So Brisbane has a 1/2 hour "daylight savings" advantage when the clock times are the same.

[Symon]

Undemocratic, I don't buy this for a second government reports have said QLD as a whole is for daylight saving for years now and a referendum would be overwhelmingly successful but it is the strength of the no vote from the north and the west that has stopped any referendum (and likely at the moment MP's from the north holding the balance of power)  At least splitting the DST zone would allow people as a whole to have what they want. I'm sure if the Federal Government decided that they wanted to nationalise DS and had a nationwide referendum so people from NSW and VIC could have a say on if you have DS you wouldn't be happy, likewise I don't think the northern and western minorities should get to dictate what SEQ has.
 
Yes Queensland narrowly voted against this in a referendum, once 24 yrs ago, ironically we just revisited 4 year government terms after the same period which got through, I think its only a matter of time before its successfully revisited.

Firstly, congratulations on doing some research and trying to understand the opposing point of view.  You have done a lot more than many in the 'pro' crowd.

I would like to see the report that you are quoting that says the majority of QLDer's are for DS, as I would like to see the sample size and the demographics.  The only people who I have come across that are 'strongly' for it are those that live close to the Tweed, and are directly impacted by interactions with NSW.  I live on the northside of Brisbane, and have found that most around here simply don't care.  They are neither for or against, and the common comment is - "I can't see a need for it, so I'll vote no".  Getting into the CBD where I work, again I see mostly apathy.  I work for a multinational, and we have offices in NSW and Vic, and whilst it is a bit of an inconvenience, I would not say it is a major impact to our working day to have misalignment with time zones.  Unsurprisingly the further north and west you go the stronger the opposition to DS.

Sure, those close to the Tweed would find it a major headache, but why change the lifestyles of everyone else in QLD just to suit a minority?  If a referendum was held tomorrow it would be strongly voted down, there just isn't enough of a push in the SE corner to get it over. 

It is worth looking at the WA example, they had four shots at it and it failed each time.  After the last vote the WA Premier made the comment that it shouldn't be looked at again for another 20 years.  I am sure the QLD government was looking on with interest.  And the current QLD Premier is right, there are more pressing things to worry about than DS. I for one would look to get rid of our unicameral parliament for starters which has much more importance than stuffing around with clocks.

[Alan Loy]

Another option would be to follow the Chinese (who are 1000km longer east to west) and only have 1 time zone. 

Unsurprisingly that's set at Beijing time so I guess we would have to set it at Canberra time 

[Troopy_03]

Just had Easter hols down in daylight savings land. What a complete wank.

Can you elaborate on that? or is this just an observation based on...... ummm..... nothing? 

[GBC]

Holiday in NSW over Easter - you timelords can keep daylight saving all to yourselves.

[Troopy_03]

Holiday in NSW over Easter - you timelords can keep daylight saving all to yourselves.

haha, I don't see what the big deal is about, especially if you're on holidays. Your smartphone changes to the correct time zone time anyway, as does your GPS if you have it set up properly.... Yeah OK, might be a tad more difficult to set the time on your vehicle, if you would even worry about doing it.

[GBC]

I find the notion rather absurd. That's why I voted against it last time. I was working in the gulf last time we tried it up here. We don't need to save it up here in summer we need to export it!


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[Troopy_03]

Yeah, that's fair enough up there, but it works fine down here if you are working, I'm not now though, so it doesn't make any difference. When I was working, and traveling an hour each way to work, it gave me a bit extra daylight once I got home, to do things I normally would have to wait till the weekend to get done.
But as I said before, if you're on holidays, or not working, it doesn't really make any difference because you're not constrained by the clock.

[Footy Shorts Shane]

Yeah, that's fair enough up there, but it works fine down here if you are working, I'm not now though, so it doesn't make any difference. When I was working, and traveling an hour each way to work, it gave me a bit extra daylight once I got home, to do things I normally would have to wait till the weekend to get done.
But as I said before, if you're on holidays, or not working, it doesn't really make any difference because you're not constrained by the clock.

I think that's where it works well. Right location and for the 9-5 (so to speak) worker.

[RobM]

Looks like we need a separate state to solve this.
Where do we cut it, north or south of Rocky ?

[GBC]

I reckon a small civil war and move the Qld border down south a bit where no bastard lives (just North of Grafton? We don't want Grafton ) so the whole Tweed Heads thing gets sorted out and leave the Southern timelords to their devices.

[alnjan]

Nah if you do that take Grafton as well, we don't want it either 

[tryagain]

Firstly, congratulations on doing some research and trying to understand the opposing point of view.  You have done a lot more than many in the 'pro' crowd.

I think if you don't you run the risk of rightly appearing like an uneducated fool.

I would like to see the report that you are quoting that says the majority of QLDer's are for DS, as I would like to see the sample size and the demographics.

There are a couple referred to here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_Australia#Queensland whilst they aren't recent I think the trend is hard to dispute especially with a lack of any studies/reports I have seen contradicting it.

If a referendum was held tomorrow it would be strongly voted down, there just isn't enough of a push in the SE corner to get it over.

Although most people you speak too aren't for it it I think it is more likely due to the circles you move in, especially in the face of government studies that point otherwise. I am interested to see however if you think it would be strongly voted down on the basis of personal experiences or wider studies taking into consideration a greater cross section of QLD.

It is worth looking at the WA example, they had four shots at it and it failed each time.  After the last vote the WA Premier made the comment that it shouldn't be looked at again for another 20 years. I am sure the QLD government was looking on with interest.

I think WA are a very different state in many ways and although they may have looked on with some interest but I think there cant be comparisons to here in QLD are minimal. Due to the voting trend in WA I would agree that it shouldn't be revisited for a long time (unless there is an unlikely very large shift in public sentiment). It has been over 24yrs since it was visited here though so going on his comments we are well overdue to have another trial/referendum on it here in QLD.

And the current QLD Premier is right, there are more pressing things to worry about than DS. I for one would look to get rid of our unicameral parliament for starters which has much more importance than stuffing around with clocks.

I agree there are more important things, I haven't heard about any plans to introduce a second house here in QLD but agree in thinking it would be well worth the cost and be a great improvement. And yes while there might be other more important issues to deal with as well I dont think that then precludes dealing with DS as well, especially as they seem to be doing not to much anyway.

[GBC]

Nah if you do that take Grafton as well, we don't want it either 

I'd rather have Daylight Savings!! 
I actually have fond memories of my time running a building project in Prince St for 6 months 11 years ago.

[NewieCamper]

I lived in Tweed heads area for a while. Over summer it was a bit of a pain getting used to living in NSW time zone, working with a Qld crew on Qld time. HAd to border hop to get to the shops after work, but was getting to view TV shows at two different times.

Not having lived or been in FNQ for any period of time I don't understand the problems with times up there, but I can't work out why Tassie wants it for so much of the year. In the middle of summer it's still light at 10pm at night.

[me217]

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Flip em inside out and you get twice as long.