Daylight Savings - 4 more sleeps

[Footy Shorts Shane]

I still reckon daylight saving in Queensland over winter makes sense......

We'd be having smoko about an hour after the sun comes up 

[speewa158]

You actually have to start work before you can have Smoko             

[Symon]

Umm it appears to me that Queensland have tested the waters......far from long term users of daylight saving.......

The last trial was for three years - how long do you want it to go on for?

Also note that WA has had 4 sucks of the sav after WW2, and each time voted no to it.  Might be something in that.

I still reckon daylight saving in Queensland over winter makes sense......

It does, but the southern states would never go for that, so once again the north will differ from the south.  So there really isn't any point in trying, just leave the damn clocks alone.

As the old saying goes "only a lunatic would cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it on to the bottom, and then claim to have made longer blanket". 

[weeds]

The last trial was for three years - how long do you want it to go on for?

Also note that WA has had 4 sucks of the sav after WW2, and each time voted no to it.  Might be something in that.

It does, but the southern states would never go for that, so once again the north will differ from the south.  So there really isn't any point in trying, just leave the damn clocks alone.

As the old saying goes "only a lunatic would cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it on to the bottom, and then claim to have made longer blanket". 

You win........not much point contributing anymore to the thread.

[GeoffA]

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As the old saying goes "only a lunatic would cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it on to the bottom, and then claim to have made longer blanket". 

 

Yes, that would indeed be silly....but he may claim to be able to use the better part of the blanket.......

 

[tryagain]

The last trial was for three years - how long do you want it to go on for?

About 65yrs should do it

As the old saying goes "only a lunatic would cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it on to the bottom, and then claim to have made longer blanket". 

I moved from NSW to QLD about 5 years ago and the biggest thing I miss is daylight savings, I think what makes QLD's look silly for not having it is the arguments that I regularly hear against it and the lack of any critical thought that has gone into it. Some of the anti crowd I have chatted to are actually against it due to 'not wanting a longer blanket' where as virtually all of the pro crowd I have talked to about it know it just moving the blanket to make the best use out of it.

Growing up with DS meant kids spent more time outside instead of in-front of a screen and families actually did things together outside after parents came home from work, where as now I just try to keep out the light in the morning so my kids don't wake up at 4:30 in summer when it's already bright, I have a friend who grew up in FNQ and moved down to Sydney and was always adamant against DS for QLD especially FNQ but a recent holiday to SEQ with kids quickly changed his view, I can see an argument against it from a FNQ point of view but I think for SEQ its a no brainier.

[alnjan]

I generally find people that use "only a lunatic would cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it on to the bottom, and then claim to have made longer blanket" really have no concept of daylight savings. 

[Symon]

Yes, that would indeed be silly....but he may claim to be able to use the better part of the blanket.......

 

Guess it depends on who you are sharing the blanket with 

[D4D]

Change your clock, change your smoke alarm battery!

[Symon]

About 65yrs should do it

I moved from NSW to QLD about 5 years ago and the biggest thing I miss is daylight savings, I think what makes QLD's look silly for not having it is the arguments that I regularly hear against it and the lack of any critical thought that has gone into it. Some of the anti crowd I have chatted to are actually against it due to 'not wanting a longer blanket' where as virtually all of the pro crowd I have talked to about it know it just moving the blanket to make the best use out of it.

Some of the excuses from the pro crowd are just as ridiculous.  Funny how I make one loose comment and straight away people are on to it, and ignore everything else I wrote in this thread.

Growing up with DS meant kids spent more time outside instead of in-front of a screen and families actually did things together outside after parents came home from work, where as now I just try to keep out the light in the morning so my kids don't wake up at 4:30 in summer when it's already bright,

I grew up without DS and we spent plenty of time outside. I was a teenager during the QLD trial, trying to get my younger siblings to sleep with the sun still up wasn't easy.  Too damn hot to close the curtains either.

As I said before, I understand why southerners like it, but it makes no sense when you get closer to the equator.  To suggest that those opposing DS due to lack of intelligence or critical thought is just arrogant.

[ronmac]

Change your clock, change your smoke alarm battery!

    And your undies

[Rodt]

Gooooooone.

My kids are teenagers now but i found when they were little it was easier to manage the sun coming up early than having it still up late. Always assumed that it was because they were already asleep so make sure the curtains are across and they don't know the difference until their body told them that's enough (not like kids are animals that have to get up and hunt). Teenagers now and all they do is sleep

Also reckon that DS only really suits those who work a 8 - 10 hour day as those of us who are anywhere from 10 - 12 + travel (1 1/2 hours all up in my case) don't have the time in the afternoons anyway.

Even without DS the kids generally get home from school at a reasonable time (depends again on travel) so have plenty of time to be outside. When they get older school homework generally takes over their lives anyway.

Yesterday at 6.30am it was still pre-dawn here and today it is nice sunshine so a big hooray for me  and the kids and the wife are still soundly asleep without any dramas

In the end reading all the posts and comments the only real arguments put forward are those that suit each individual's situation so having a go at others who have a different view (based on their situation) is in itself stupid and self centered.

Happy to see it gone as it doesn't suit my situation (work or otherwise) and would also love the NSW government to have DS (if we have to have it) to only the summer months and not 6 months of the year like it is now.

Have a good non DS day 

Rod

[GeoffA]

.......To suggest that those opposing DS due to lack of intelligence or critical thought is just arrogant.

....and silly.

Whether you like or don't like DS is a personal choice.
We all have different factors that influence our preference.

 

[speewa158]

l don't mind DS but it just goes on tooooooo longggggggggg

[Humphreythebear]

Went for a walk at 6.05 ......came home and remembered to change the clock back !
But I'm still buggered to know how the dogs can tell the time . Within 5 mins every day , dinner is 6.30 on the dot ( never mind the curtain saving allocation ) and 8 am is time to go in the pen whilst we work - very clever sausages 😀

[Robbo]

Yay!! A 25 hour day for me today!!

What to do with that extra hour??

I wonder

[Banjo16]

l don't mind DS but it just goes on tooooooo longggggggggg

X2
Much better when it was 5 months not 6.

[Symon]

....and silly.

Whether you like or don't like DS is a personal choice.
We all have different factors that influence our preference.

 

Exactly. It is just a preference. Nothing more.

[tryagain]

Some of the excuses from the pro crowd are just as ridiculous.  Funny how I make one loose comment and straight away people are on to it, and ignore everything else I wrote in this thread.

I am sure they are but as I am only normally discussing it with people who don't like it I don't come up against them. At the end of the day as others have said I think its mostly experiences and opinions that form peoples preferences so arguments either for or against are generally don't contain too much substance (the few that do have counteracting arguments on the other side) hence my normal question of why not has uncovered a lot of misunderstanding and even some laughable reasons. I realise that you don't actually think that it changes the length of daylight but I have met those who have and just used your comment to emphasise the point.

I grew up without DS and we spent plenty of time outside. I was a teenager during the QLD trial, trying to get my younger siblings to sleep with the sun still up wasn't easy.  Too damn hot to close the curtains either.

My kids bedtime is currently mostly before its dark in summer irrespective of DS or not as bed time is when we say however even with two blinds closed they still wake up when it gets light and although we have control over when we send them to bed we don't have control over when their bodies tell them its wake up time.

As I said before, I understand why southerners like it, but it makes no sense when you get closer to the equator.

I found this article http://www.vidcam.com.au/daylightsaving/ quite interesting, it helped me understand why those in FNQ don't want it as they virtually already have it. I think it also points to SEQ being on a similar time sunrise/sunset as Sydney and Melbourne so arguments that hold true for them I think also hold true for SEQ. The argument then from those against DS in the north that why should we have to be put out because those in SEQ want it is therefore brought out and has merit but it can also then be flipped around by proponents in SEQ to argue that why should we miss out because they don't want it. My biased solution to this would be a vote where those in SEQ would get to vote in isolation to those in the north and then its not one area dictating to the other what they should do, and I would likely get my beloved DS and the north could suit itself. 

In all of this I try to maintain the perspective that I should be extremely grateful that we can debate relatively insignificant issues like DS as opposed to those in places like Syria or elsewhere in the middle east who I am pretty sure would love to be stable enough to only have to debate fringe issues.

Also found this article fairly balanced although I disagree with its conclusion. http://greenshack.info/index.php/articles/249-queensland-daylight-saving-time-and-cows.html


 

[duggie]

Queensland has had daylight savings on and off for years.

quite interesting, it helped me understand why those in FNQ don't want it as they virtually already have it.


In the nineties, during DS I was actually loosing an hour a day with my work. I was in the Drill and Blast industry and we had stringent times as to when we could blast.

Around the City of Cairns our firing time ( blasting time ) was locked in to 3 pm. So unless I started working ( loading blast holes with explosives ) with the headlights on giving me light, I could not meet this firing time.

My biased solution to this would be a vote where those in SEQ would get to vote in isolation to those in the north and then its not one area dictating to the other what they should do, and I would likely get my beloved DS and the north could suit itself. 



I for one have voted in a daylight saving referendum at least twice, both times the people of Queensland, ( Queensland as a whole state ) voted against the return of daylight savings.

To suggest that southern Queensland should have a separate vote is pure nonsense, selfish and undemocratic .

One has to remember that the biggest majority of voters in Queensland live and vote in the southern sector and it was these people who also voted against the return of daylight savings in the state of Queensland.

[muzza01]

Well said Duggie.
I enjoyed DS when we lived in Sydney for 17 years. It worked well and made sense.

But now I live in Cairns. Don't need DS.

[Alan Loy]

One of the fundamental issues that drives this debate is the variation in daylight hours between summer and winter.  Darwin, FNQ and northern WA have little variation (Darwin 11.5 - 12.5) so there is little reason to change operating hours by using daylight savings The southern states (particularly Tasmania) have more daylight hours to play with in summer so daylight savings makes sense.

You will note that despite the debate north vs south no one in the south suggests DS in winter

[tryagain]

I for one have voted in a daylight saving referendum at least twice

Well you should have only voted once as there has only been one referendum in QLD 24yrs ago

To suggest that southern Queensland should have a separate vote is pure nonsense, selfish and undemocratic .
One has to remember that the biggest majority of voters in Queensland live and vote in the southern sector and it was these people who also voted against the return of daylight savings in the state of Queensland.

Selfish, probably an element of that, but if so the argument certainly works in reverse.

Nonsense, certainly no more so than having it cut part way through the Gold/Tweed coast, The West of NSW operates on a different time zone to the rest of the state without any major issues I cant see any issue with allowing the north and west their own choice as to if they want to join SEQ or not.

Undemocratic, I don't buy this for a second government reports have said QLD as a whole is for daylight saving for years now and a referendum would be overwhelmingly successful but it is the strength of the no vote from the north and the west that has stopped any referendum (and likely at the moment MP's from the north holding the balance of power)  At least splitting the DST zone would allow people as a whole to have what they want. I'm sure if the Federal Government decided that they wanted to nationalise DS and had a nationwide referendum so people from NSW and VIC could have a say on if you have DS you wouldn't be happy, likewise I don't think the northern and western minorities should get to dictate what SEQ has.
 
Yes Queensland narrowly voted against this in a referendum, once 24 yrs ago, ironically we just revisited 4 year government terms after the same period which got through, I think its only a matter of time before its successfully revisited.

[GeoffA]

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You will note that despite the debate north vs south no one in the south suggests DS in winter

Incorrect....

[duggie]

Well you should have only voted once as there has only been one referendum in QLD 24yrs ago

I stand corrected , but there have been many political parties whom have governed Queensland have stated that Daylight Savings in Queensland is dead in the water.
Yes Queensland narrowly voted against this in a referendum, once 24 yrs ago, ironically we just revisited 4 year government terms after the same period which got through, I think its only a matter of time before its successfully revisited.

Queensland held a referendum on introducing daylight saving in 1992, which 54.5% of people voted against. This does not mean that 45.5% voted for daylight savings.

Premier rules out daylight savings referendum. News item dated 02/04/2016

But Ms Palaszczuk shot down the calls for another referendum in a tabled response and said her government had more pressing concerns.

"This government believes there are other priorities facing Queenslanders that require attention," she said.

"I am committed to leading a government built on consensus and consultation that is focused on creating jobs, growing the economy and delivering on key infrastructure projects and restoring integrity and accountability."

Introducing daylight saving does not have support from either side of politics, with an LNP spokeswoman confirming the opposition has "no plans to re-introduce daylight saving in Queensland".


The West of NSW operates on a different time zone to the rest of the state without any major issues I cant see any issue with allowing the north and west their own choice as to if they want to join SEQ or not.

Unlike the rest of New South Wales, Broken Hill (and the surrounding region) observes Australian Central Standard Time (UTC+9:30), the same time zone used in South Australia and the Northern Territory. This is because at the time the Australian dominions adopted standard time, Broken Hill's only direct rail link was with Adelaide, not Sydney