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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2016, 09:48:29 PM »

After trying numerous various methods of quitting over the years it was my son who introduced me to vaping. Best thing I've ever done. Six months down the track I'm now a non smoker and also off of the vaping, so even if it wasn't that good for me in the short term, it sure as hell will be now. I highly recommend anyone looking to give up too give it a try.


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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2016, 06:03:37 AM »
After trying various methods of quitting over the years it was my son who introduced me to vaping. Best thing I've ever done. Six months down the track I'm now a non smoker and also off of the vaping, so even if it wasn't that good for me in the short term, it sure as hell will be now. I highly recommend anyone looking to give up too give it a try.


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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2016, 01:48:49 PM »
 
how do you fell knowing your a quitter. next you will be driving a Datsun

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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2016, 12:24:28 AM »
As a nicotine addict you don't quit smoking anymore than an alcoholic quits drinking. You take up a non-smoking and like an alcoholic you need to appreciate that the next drink could see you back on the sauce. Longest I took up non-smoking was 4 years but a big bike ride up to Lake Eyre in flood put paid to that when the BIL and I were sitting in the William Creek pub caked in mud and enjoying a cold beer and he suggested it was Marlboro Country so what about a packet? Back on the smokes within a week like I'd never stopped and so was he for a number of years before a hiccup with an operation and anaesthetic and he took up non-smoking again ever since.

Now that flummoxed Yankee Sue that was particularly fond of her strawberry daiquiris among other alcoholic delights she liked to share with the girls (bear in mind while I could put away the booze with the best of them in my young biking days give me a coffee and a smoke by then and now a vape) Prrrardigeee (Yank drawl) how could you go back smoking after four whole years?? Well it's like this Sue. See that strawb daiquiri in your mitt, well you put that down right now and tell yourself not another drop of alcohol is going to pass those lips for the rest of your days and how do you reckon you'd go? Big light bulb humungous pennies dropping moment right there folks. Not a smoker or drinker but you're a bit too partial to the choccies or soft drink than is good for the waistline and the ticker there...?

So now we've got that all straightened out we can talk about harm minimization for nicotine lovers and those of you who have other wee pecadillos can get educated about that at the same time so you don't become a bunch of kneejerk wowsers still believing smoking and vaping are all one and the same. There are qualified medicos among others trying to make the ignorant see the light-
http://www.nnalliance.org.au/news

But wait a minute shock horror we're all going to blow ourselves up along with a whole lot of fluffy kittens so the Gummint has to ban it!!
http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/25/man-left-with-horrific-burns-after-e-cigarette-blows-up-in-pocket-and-sets-fire-to-his-leg-5717749/

Yes folks the atomisers run off rechargeable lithium batteries but get this. You can use single purpose built lithium batteries with the 510 male protected end on them and they'll be quite safe to chuck in your pocket unattached to the clearomiser head and in any case you can turn them off as extra insurance. Nevertheless like mobile and laptop batteries and chargers you buy brand name ones(like Aspire, etc) from bricks and mortar stores because they have the same safety circuits too. What that dummy had in his pocket no doubt, were the other alternative 18650 lithium cells (similar to AAs) that you use inside of 'mod box' battery setups as well as torches, etc. Chucked a few of them without protection circuits in his pocket with a bunch of coins or his car keys did he? Would you do that with alkaline AAs even? Somewhere in the world there's one born every minute and I trust our bright spark is a much better civil engineer than he is an electrical one.

The missus GF has taken up vaping really well these last 2 weeks relying on my newbie advice and experience and I'll talk about that some more for the smokers wondering if it will suit them as I found there's a bit to it if you want to be really successful. Do it well first up but for now focus on that 95% safer, socially innocuous and bucket loads cheaper.



 

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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2016, 01:01:47 AM »
I realized some of that electrical crap on ebay is not worth the savings after buying a couple of cheapy USB wall chargers and although no real dramas they both died within a month or so which left me thinking so much for their quality and safety and that was borne out later on-
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/warning-over-usb-chargers-after-woman-dies-from-apparent-electrocution-20140626-zsngd.html
Go support your local vape shop is my best advice as they know what will happen if they don't source the good gear, particularly the batteries and chargers.
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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2016, 06:25:49 AM »
I did give up using Champix, but it's horrible stuff that makes you feel like puking all the time, and gives you funny dreams like when Homer at that psychedelic chilli.
I was lucky, I had no side effects whatever from champix, and is approaching 5 years.  But it sent my wife crazy.

I'm in 2 minds on vaping, I like how it doesn't smell, but not sure about health side, haven't looked into it much but, if it's still legal to smoke durries, I have no problems with vaping
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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #31 on: February 29, 2016, 10:03:01 PM »
One things for sure the new puritans are trying to tell you old analogue trogs something important-


"Smokers will pay up to 32c more tax for a packet of cigarettes under half-yearly excise changes, and they face another rise of up to $3 a pack in September.

The tax on a single cigarette is rising from 53c to 53.7c.

The March 1 tax hike will add 13c to a pack of 20 cigarettes, lifting the total excise collected to $10.75.

The government will take $13.43 in excise on a pack of 25 cigarettes, up 16c, while the taxman’s share of a pack of 30 cigarettes rises 19c to $16.12.

Smokers will cough up $21.49 for every pack of 40 cigarettes, up 25c, and the excise on a pack of 50 cigarettes rises 32c to $26.87.

Price changes may vary depending on competition, production costs, retail margins and the GST.

There will be a double rise in cigarette taxes in September when the next regular excise adjustment is made plus a 12.5 per cent hike under changes put in place by former treasurer Chris Bowen and maintained by the Coalition to raise an extra $5.3 billion from smokers over four years.

Labor proposes to keep increasing tobacco excise until 2020 beyond the regular excise rise if it wins the election to fund campaign promises."
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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2016, 06:50:31 AM »
One things for sure the new puritans are trying to tell you old analogue trogs something important-


"Smokers will pay up to 32c more tax for a packet of cigarettes under half-yearly excise changes, and they face another rise of up to $3 a pack in September.

The tax on a single cigarette is rising from 53c to 53.7c.

The March 1 tax hike will add 13c to a pack of 20 cigarettes, lifting the total excise collected to $10.75.

The government will take $13.43 in excise on a pack of 25 cigarettes, up 16c, while the taxman’s share of a pack of 30 cigarettes rises 19c to $16.12.

Smokers will cough up $21.49 for every pack of 40 cigarettes, up 25c, and the excise on a pack of 50 cigarettes rises 32c to $26.87.

Price changes may vary depending on competition, production costs, retail margins and the GST.

There will be a double rise in cigarette taxes in September when the next regular excise adjustment is made plus a 12.5 per cent hike under changes put in place by former treasurer Chris Bowen and maintained by the Coalition to raise an extra $5.3 billion from smokers over four years.

Labor proposes to keep increasing tobacco excise until 2020 beyond the regular excise rise if it wins the election to fund campaign promises."

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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2016, 07:08:30 AM »
Bloody hell.  E-cigs are blowing up in your face

http://m.thenewdaily.com.au/life/2016/02/29/call-reign-catastrophic-e-cigarettes/

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"On Monday (AEDT), an e-cigarette exploded in Cassandra Kozio’s face, blowing out one of her teeth and then engulfing her car in flames.

Ms Hamilton’s injuries were extremely graphic, with images showing her teeth missing and face burnt."


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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2016, 10:31:11 PM »
Sorry mate, who are you talking to?


That was a recent news clip quote about impending rises in tobacco excise although smokers will be reeling already, so I'm talking to those smokers that are addicted to nicotine like I am and seek that 95% safer ingestion method and like I do now, save myself at least $100/week (and that was savings from over a year ago when I ditched tobacco)

So we have 2 reports from around the whole wide world of battery explosions so let's deal with that as they're almost certainly unprotected mod batteries as you'll discover here-
http://www.vapefox.com.au/vaping-battery-guide-ezp-8.html

Don't piss around with unprotected mod batteries, etc unless you're absolutely sure of what it is you're doing, and for the civil engineers among you don't chuck a few 18650 batteries in your pocket along with your car keys and loose change or you might wish you'd studied electrical engineering instead. Stick to ego type electronic batteries and name brands from your local vape shop like these Aspire ones I just ordered-
http://www.vapeking.com.au/aspire-cf-vv-battery-carbon-fibre-1600mah/

They are used with the Aspire Nautilus and my Nautilus Mini and in conjunction with their genuine 1.6 or 1.8 ohm BVCs (Bottom Vertical Coils) and are designed with your complete safety and enjoyment in mind. Sub Ohm Mods, preparing your own wicks and winding your own coils, etc is strictly for well informed DIY experts in much the same way as many of us here on Myswag do our own thing with camping mods (yes if you use your butane cooker the obvious wrong way it can go kaboom but they do have those safety gas cans for allcomers and kiddies too remember)

Looks like another convert to vaping as another lady I introduced to my setup has been at it for 5 or 6 weeks now and hasn't touched her rollies since and doesn't intend to. She has just retired so the economic incentive was probably the main driver to buy some gear and get started so I'll talk about her experience and how I had to coach her and explain what to expect for a smooth transition. Gotta say she's taken to it like a duck to water after resisting my example for over a year. It was the bucks that got to her in the end  :-*
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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2016, 11:08:01 PM »
You know if you eventually want to make vaping an art form and learn all about those batteries that can go bang inyerface if you get it wrong there are countless afficionado dudes crawling all over Youtube just dying to show you and the world their ultimate coil wind and wicking expertise with their favourite mod-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmzSy2JHmuA
Right you are there dudes and there's no doubt those things can really chuck out the steam but most of us mere mortals have to eat and sleep as well as get out there camping occasionally so that's where I'll be pitching at  ;D 
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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2016, 07:10:55 AM »

  I think fresh air is better..... ;D ;D ;D....Just my opinion !
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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2016, 11:16:24 AM »
  I think fresh air is better..... ;D ;D ;D....Just my opinion !
Absolutely and there can be no argument whatsoever about that. Just like water is better than alcohol and cycling better than diesel but we're discussing the move to light beer, diesel particulate filters or perhaps the switch to petrol engines?  Nothing compulsory here you understand   :cheers:
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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2016, 11:31:17 AM »
Absolutely and there can be no argument whatsoever about that. Just like water is better than alcohol and cycling better than diesel but we're discussing the move to light beer, diesel particulate filters or perhaps the switch to petrol engines?  Nothing compulsory here you understand   :cheers:

   I hear ya.....I'v been fortunate to have happily gone from a full blown smoker to zilch and know the pain of giving up something i was happy doing.....but we all have a right to persue which ever legal activity we choose and i never knock anyone's choices in what they do after all  ....it's up to each individual to choose there path in life.

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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2016, 12:06:07 PM »
Can you all see another wee problem with continually sticking up excise exorbitantly on addictive products like tobacco?
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/shopkeeper-assaulted-and-tobacco-stolen-during-taperoo-deli-robbery/news-story/adb1d3c6a5c088e353263b64a1b9bfe4
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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2016, 06:30:23 PM »
Can you all see another wee problem with continually sticking up excise exorbitantly on addictive products like tobacco?
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/shopkeeper-assaulted-and-tobacco-stolen-during-taperoo-deli-robbery/news-story/adb1d3c6a5c088e353263b64a1b9bfe4


More about being a scumbag lowlife than expensive tobacco in my opinion..

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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2016, 08:47:31 AM »
More about being a scumbag lowlife than expensive tobacco in my opinion..

I plead ignorance yeronner-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmEYDpHbe3s&feature=youtu.be
and in my mum and dad's day they would have too-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI
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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2016, 09:23:00 PM »
Another wry smile for we vapers-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/cigarette-butt-causes-180000-house-fire-at-myponga/news-story/b45c093d29b4a0e4ea28e17c1b7442a6
and with the major political parties all singing from the same hymn book on tobacco excise rises there's no time like the present vege burners.

The missus' girlfriend T is going along like a house on...err.. like a steam train with her vaping, so much so that she's down from max strength 24mg/ml nicotine e-liquid to 15mg and she's only vaping about three or four dollars worth a week of EL now and she's rapt. With all the benefits and not having to keep Canberrans, etc in the manner to which they've become accustomed what's the catch if any you might ask?

Well there is a slight hitch to the panacea as I discovered and it came about as I began to research more about the nicotine strength of EL and what it was all about. Now being a hardened smoker I decided if I was going to try this new fandangled vaping thingy it would be best if I chose the strongest nicotine content and eschew all the different flavours and stick with the most popular, regular, tobacco flavoured one from any particular supplier. In other words stick closely to what I'm used to and I can always dilute the nico content and dabble in the plethora of flavours should I want to later. As it's transpired I've stuck with that although now instead of my initial 50/50 PG/VG base liquid I've settled on the 30/70 base as it's sweeter and less harsh on the throat, although that means the atomiser coils don't last as long but that's small beer anyway. The question naturally arose in my mind though, what nicotine am I ingesting compared with my old analogue rollies?

Well the answer to that was difficult to find simply because vaping has grown up organically and when you think about it, it's a lot like trying to put a fuel use figure on different cars. Also the folks in lab coats haven't been grassed and tasked to do the empirical research just yet so it's a case of suck it and see for yourself. Well not quite because I did come across some rule of thumb discussion about it and here's the rub. It seems when you smoke an average analogue cig you ingest about 1.2mg of nicotine so you'd reckon if you vaped 1ml of EL with 24mg in it that would be 24 divided by 1.2 equals 20 cigs but it doesn't turn out that way and that's what my mate found. He was getting withdrawal symptoms because unlike the 1.2mg hit he was actually getting with the analogue, vaping the ml of 24mg nicotine would only give him the equivalent of around 7 cigs and possibly?? as high as 10 cigs at the very outside. As a tech in a food factory and all suited up, when he could only duck out of work for very fixed periods he quickly found the vaping was giving him withdrawal symptoms because unlike me, I can pull it out of my pocket and have 2 or 3 chuffs and put it way again. In other words a little bit of nico more regularly, whereas he needed a bigger hit with the cigs when he had the chance. Bear that in mind if you're thinking of making the switch.

 
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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2016, 06:39:31 PM »
I gave up the ciggies........yeah took a few goes and a few lapses, and I may well lapse again in the future, who knows whats in store. At the end of the day, all these alternative delivery systems are just prolonging the addiction. Harm minimization is a great theory, but its really just an excuse to keep doing something you know is bad for you with the flawed belief it wont hurt me as much.

I am all for choice, do whatever floats your boat, but substituting one for of niccotine for another makes no sense to me............may as well just keep smoking ciggies, as I actually liked it :)
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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2016, 03:11:41 AM »
Well that's the point for all those that like nicotine as their particular drug of choice, but the real risk lies not in the nicotine but in the burning tobacco delivery system. Whereas vaping it via eliquid removes 95% of the personal risk with the positive spinoffs of no fire, ash, butts, stink and passive inhalation of smoke for others, not to mention the the nasty tradeoffs with the current approach of jacking up excise usuriously-
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/04/24/10/44/thieves-ram-car-into-adelaide-hotel-to-steal-cigarette-machine
 Think of it as methadone and clean needles for heroin addicts but vapers are happy not to be a burden on taxpayers like that.
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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #45 on: July 14, 2016, 02:16:43 PM »
I see they're coming around slowly-
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/on-world-no-tobacco-day-theres-new-hope-for-smokers-if-the-government-will-allow-it/news-story/1eb856263374a71545bee8076df0aa83?pg=1&utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=lifestyle
although we don't need Gummint and the nanny state getting involved like methadone and free needles, anymore than doling out low alcohol beer to pisspots. Mind you Dave if you've got a spare million or two, remember I'm just another poor victim of BIG TOBACCO maaaaaate-
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/england-legend-david-beckham-seen-105832591.html



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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #46 on: July 14, 2016, 03:58:28 PM »
This was the one I was looking for-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/why-giving-alcoholics-free-drinks-might-be-a-good-idea/ar-BBuiGha?li=AA4Znz&ocid=spartandhp
Trust them, they're from the Gummint and they're here to help :)
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Re: The Vaping thread
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Re: The Vaping thread
« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2016, 10:22:16 PM »
Great thread here Prodigy.
My wife has been off the ciggies now for 4 years with vaping and the last 6 months she has had no nicotine in her juice.
She still loves to vape and will probably go on doing it for years. Happy to test out the long term side effects of vaping.
Had a family friend trying to give up 2 years ago reckon that a book he read was the answer to quiting and my wifes vaping wouldn't work, well he lasted about 2 weeks and starting smoking again so not the most successful attempt.
Turns out he recently tried the vaping and has been off the ciggies now for more than 6 months.
I have also recommended Vaping to friends at work who have now been ciggy free for 2 years so to the knockers who think we shouldn't have the right to vape or the smokers that want to quit but keep making excuses that the long term use of Ecigs hasn't been proven. Vaping has been shown to be 95% healthier than smoking in the short term and long term effects of ciggies are well known so it is not likely to worse from vaping
Each to there own.
I am a non smoker or vapour but I can still see the benefits for those that are wanting to quit
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