Author Topic: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016  (Read 88362 times)

0 Members and 11 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Foo

  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 2304
  • Thanked: 189 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #175 on: February 05, 2016, 08:43:39 PM »
For forks sack, most of you blokes need to grow some brains and learn how to friffin drive!!!!!!  ::) If I can drive a friggin B-double or a bloody AB-triple on the roads, with cyclists, shorly to fork you can maneuver something the size of a friggin postage stamp around. FFS, you're all brave whilst you're in your cars! There's f-wits everywhere and there would seem to be even more here!  >:D

I must remember your friggin halfwit thinking as I drive down the hi-way in the truck, that costs over $10000 a year to register! Grow a figgin brain you lot, that bang on about regos and how it is the be all and end all of chit, because it's forking not!!!!!!! ::)

I must download the the 2hrs of f-wits running red lights and doing dumb chit in cars, 4bys, trucks,motorcycles and whatever the fork other type of vehicle there is.  >:D

Foo
So long as you have tried your best, you should have no regrets.

Offline Black Diamond

  • "IF IT HAS TITS OR WHEELS IT WILL GIVE YOU TROUBLE........"
  • 2017 National Meet Volunteer
  • Hard Top Camper User
  • *****
  • Posts: 5916
  • Thanked: 88 times
  • Gender: Male
  • Cruisin through Life in the 80.......
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #176 on: February 05, 2016, 08:50:35 PM »
 :police:

1996 80 series Cruiser
2005 Coota Camper - The legend lives on.....

Offline Bad Scott

  • You dump, Scott and I pump
  • 2017 National Meet Volunteer
  • Hard Top Camper User
  • *****
  • Posts: 2983
  • Thanked: 221 times
  • Gender: Male
  • AKA "Bad Scott"
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #177 on: February 05, 2016, 09:15:45 PM »
>:D
Ultimate LC79 Combo

Offline Bird

  • Once Was Lost, now am found
  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: I am a geek!!
  • Thanked: 1874 times
  • Gender: Male
  • Life is far too long....
    • My Place.
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #178 on: February 05, 2016, 09:45:44 PM »
-
Click to enlarge

Gone to a new home

Offline discoteddy

  • Hard Floor Camper User
  • *****
  • Posts: 815
  • Thanked: 26 times
  • Gender: Male
  • If in doubt, grab a handful of 2nd gear.
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #179 on: February 05, 2016, 10:11:55 PM »
I still call bullsh!t

Let's say you get a video of me doing the wrong thing, you say you can get me sent a ticket, I contest it, we go to court, my legal counsel gets your video thrown out because there is no chain of custody and you cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt it was me in the video. Case thrown out, try again.


Police observe video and retain as exhibit, take witness statement of rider, form of demand placed on registered owner of vehicle depicted in video (offence dependant) , legal process commenced.  Chain of custody  pertaining to digital media, your legal council can argue long, and expensively on that one. In my experience the only loser is the wallet of the defendant. Can't smell poo here. Pretty disrespectful too. We can do better on here team.

Cheers,

Disco teddy.
2015 Goldstream Storm lifted with Vehicle Components best!, 2021 Enter the D Max.

Offline alnjan

  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 2922
  • Thanked: 221 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #180 on: February 05, 2016, 10:54:44 PM »
Again, see you in court..
I've been there, given evidence, and had the driver rule responsible - one out of ten even get a conviction...
I'm only telling you what I do mate...I think the law is Shite...I'm just trying not to get killed by an imbecile..whilst keeping fit, reducing my carbon footprint, and saving money on fuel costs..I should be able to do that without being run over by a bogan..

Typically, if someone tries to kill me, I call the police straight away.  They take a statement at the scene, and take statements from witnesses, and my video (from the start of the ride to the end) is provided as evidence.  3 blokes are now guests of our illustrious government because of my evidence, the video, and the video of witnesses.  I hope they learn in the 'bighouse' that it is not ok to permit attempted murder...

I also have a lawyer, he's my bother, I'd love to get your numberplate on tape..he takes great pleasure in convincing magistrates that they tried to kill me...and gunning for suitable sentences..

And there is the prosecution's case for all vehicles using the roadway to have a means of identification, including pushbike riders.  If motor vehicles had no registration plates the owner and therefore the driver would not be able to be identified the same as push bike riders at present.

I have no problem with the current and soon to be introduced road rules, ALL road users should be treated the same, vehicles to be clearly identified and drivers/riders to carry identification and penalties to be the same regardless of vehicle type for traffic offences such as red light offences etc.  Are we all not equal or are some more equal than others.

Personally I would prefer to see separate cycle ways/paths to the roadway allowing safety for all. 

« Last Edit: February 05, 2016, 11:03:48 PM by alnjan »
Cheers

Al and/or Jan

Offline Jeepers Creepers

  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 6631
  • Thanked: 431 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #181 on: February 06, 2016, 03:42:51 AM »
QUESTION.

Why do so many cyclists have a go-pro stuck to their heads these days?

Gee,  :angel: who would've guessed, that one eeny weeny question would set the whole thread off again.  :angel: 8)  ;D
I DON'T CARE HOW NICE THE HAND SOAP SMELLS.....

You should never walk out of the public toilets sniffing your fingers.

KingBilly

  • Guest
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #182 on: February 06, 2016, 04:40:11 AM »
Personally I would prefer to see separate cycle ways/paths to the roadway allowing safety for all.

Brisbane City Council have spent millions, yes millions, on a cycle way along the river.  But every morning, there are still the lycra groups cycling along the adjacent road.  Seems it is not cool to use the cycle way if you are a serious pushie rider.

KB

Offline D4D

  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 16019
  • Thanked: 391 times
  • Are we there yet?
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #183 on: February 06, 2016, 05:46:01 AM »
Brisbane City Council have spent millions, yes millions, on a cycle way along the river.  But every morning, there are still the lycra groups cycling along the adjacent road.  Seems it is not cool to use the cycle way if you are a serious pushie rider.

As I understand the law, if a bike lane is provided it must be used, if the rider is on the road he can he fined. Maybe I should start videoing these guys and send it to l0ckym :)
I owe, I owe, it’s off to work I go…

Work - Outback
Play - Prado

Offline GBC

  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 1984
  • Thanked: 325 times
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #184 on: February 06, 2016, 06:24:43 AM »
Maybe you should learn the law first. Sorry, a lucid argument in an arbitrary thread. Carry on trolling geese. Sorry I came back.

Offline D4D

  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 16019
  • Thanked: 391 times
  • Are we there yet?
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #185 on: February 06, 2016, 06:30:18 AM »
Maybe you should learn the law first.

I read it again and the wording actually is 'Where bicycle lanes are provided, riders must use them whenever practicable'. What's the point of having that law...
I owe, I owe, it’s off to work I go…

Work - Outback
Play - Prado

Offline NewieCamper

  • Soft Floor Camper User
  • ****
  • Posts: 520
  • Thanked: 38 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #186 on: February 06, 2016, 06:40:06 AM »

I read it again and the wording actually is 'Where bicycle lanes are provided, riders must use them whenever practicable'. What's the point of having that law...
"Whenever practicable"
Lots of so called bike lanes are in the dooring lane so rider choose the safer option of not getting hit by someone opening a door in their path and ride the road.
Bike paths are often meandering paths that don't allow you to go fast enough. Is there a freeway near you that doesn't go the right way so you use the backstreets?
Bike paths are often cluttered with pedestrians that wander, dogs off leashes and prevent travelling at a decent speed.
All these reasons are enough to cover the 'whenever practicable' clause and ride the road instead. There are others too.

All the agro from drivers seems to come from those who think the have the right to have everyone else get out of their way - which they don't.

Offline GeoffA

  • 2017 National Meet Volunteer
  • Hard Top Camper User
  • *****
  • Posts: 8493
  • Thanked: 607 times
  • Gender: Male
  • "If 1 axle is good, 2 must be better........."
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #187 on: February 06, 2016, 06:42:15 AM »
.......
All the agro from drivers AND RIDERS seems to come from those who think the have the right to have everyone else get out of their way - which they don't.

Fixed.....
Geoff and Kay

1999 GU TD42T wagon
2005 Coota Camper - gone, but never forgotten
2020 North Coast 15' Titanium - tandem, of course

Land Cruiser.....the Patrol that Toyota try to build.....
The following users thanked this post: oldmate

Offline oldmate

  • Soft Floor Camper User
  • ****
  • Posts: 496
  • Thanked: 1311 times
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #188 on: February 06, 2016, 06:46:55 AM »
Gee,  :angel: who would've guessed, that one eeny weeny question would set the whole thread off again.  :angel: 8)  ;D

Lol,  back on page 2, 3 days ago I posted a comical video. Look what happened after that.  ;D :angel:

I thought the video was a Pissa. Wonder how many people commenting even watched it and noticed the guy in his g string..

Anyway, I feel like I was at the beach, with one chip left, which I throw on the ground, stand back and watch the seagulls fight over it.  ;D :D. Giving everyone else some entertainment I guess. 
« Last Edit: February 06, 2016, 06:50:00 AM by oldmate »
Our Blog. A work in progress
https://www.facebook.com/UltimateAdventuresBlog/

Offline GBC

  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 1984
  • Thanked: 325 times
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #189 on: February 06, 2016, 06:47:18 AM »
"Riding in a bicycle lane on a road

You can choose whether or not you wish to use a bicycle lane where one is provided."

QLD law for the Brisbane river.
These are painted cycle lanes on the road. Cyclists are under no duress to ride anywhere in QLD. They cannot ride where there are 'no cycling' signs but that is the only restriction.

I can feel myself getting sucked back into the vortex of stupid that is this thread.


« Last Edit: February 06, 2016, 06:50:21 AM by GBC »

Offline Jeepers Creepers

  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 6631
  • Thanked: 431 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #190 on: February 06, 2016, 06:53:41 AM »
Lol,  back on page 2, 3 days ago I posted a comical video. Look what happened after that.  ;D :angel:

I could hear the fishing line whizzing away off the reel, with the hook, bait and sinker long gone to never be seen again.  :cup:

But the thread slowed down yesterday and i thought, what the hell, if the fish are biting, i'm going fishing.

Got a couple of nice plump lycra mullets in the esky already.  ;D
I DON'T CARE HOW NICE THE HAND SOAP SMELLS.....

You should never walk out of the public toilets sniffing your fingers.

Offline oldmate

  • Soft Floor Camper User
  • ****
  • Posts: 496
  • Thanked: 1311 times
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #191 on: February 06, 2016, 06:55:12 AM »
I could hear the fishing line whizzing away off the reel, with the hook, bait and sinker long gone to never be seen again.  :cup:

But the thread slowed down yesterday and i thought, what the hell, if the fish are biting, i'm going fishing.

Got a couple of nice plump lycra mullets in the esky already.  ;D

I only had 400ft of line on the real.  Cheers for throwing a new one out.  ;D :cup:
Our Blog. A work in progress
https://www.facebook.com/UltimateAdventuresBlog/

Offline Jeepers Creepers

  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 6631
  • Thanked: 431 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #192 on: February 06, 2016, 07:10:23 AM »
I tell ya what Oldmate, ya don't wanna be on a pushy on a narrow road when Uncle Jeepers is driving.

Mirrors are made to be replaced.  ;D
I DON'T CARE HOW NICE THE HAND SOAP SMELLS.....

You should never walk out of the public toilets sniffing your fingers.

Offline Bad Scott

  • You dump, Scott and I pump
  • 2017 National Meet Volunteer
  • Hard Top Camper User
  • *****
  • Posts: 2983
  • Thanked: 221 times
  • Gender: Male
  • AKA "Bad Scott"
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #193 on: February 06, 2016, 07:13:58 AM »

Got a couple of nice plump lycra mullets in the esky already.  ;D
Did ya go-pro it?
Ultimate LC79 Combo

Offline Jeepers Creepers

  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 6631
  • Thanked: 431 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #194 on: February 06, 2016, 07:17:22 AM »
Hey, watch this bunch of sooky la la cyclists.

They fall off or get knocked off and they roll around like a soccer player looking a for a free penalty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk0-A0iSZLo
I DON'T CARE HOW NICE THE HAND SOAP SMELLS.....

You should never walk out of the public toilets sniffing your fingers.

Offline Snow

  • Follow me, I'll be right behind you.
  • Global Moderator
  • Hard Top Camper User
  • *****
  • Posts: 5576
  • Thanked: 70 times
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #195 on: February 06, 2016, 08:23:34 AM »
This thread seems to have attracted a fair few of this ilk. Be nice y'all.
A vision without action is a dillusion

The Snowmobile: 2017 Ford Everest Trend with heaps of fruit
The Snowcave: 2023 Austrack Tanami X13
2008 Cub Supamatic XTD

Offline edz

  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 6880
  • Thanked: 926 times
  • Gender: Male
  • " I dont like Sheeple "
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #196 on: February 06, 2016, 11:42:07 AM »
Best of both worlds  ;D recycling and healthy sports car image  :cup      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j03LKhZa8UE  and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjEKi9D2hh0
« Last Edit: February 06, 2016, 11:49:35 AM by edz »
" IMPROVISE  ADAPT   OVERCOME   and  PERSEVERE  "

Offline stabicraft

  • Tent User
  • ***
  • Posts: 247
  • Thanked: 31 times
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #197 on: February 06, 2016, 12:00:44 PM »
I haved a few simple questions/comments.

Someone wrote that bikes hold traffic up a couple of seconds.
              Sorry thats just crap. Bikes hold traffic up far longer peddling uphill swaying all over the road and barely doing 2 klm/hr.
              When one finally gets past them, they just overtake and get back in the front at the next set of lights, swerving through
              the cars, knocking mirrors and scratching paint as they go. I have been on the bad end of this practice several times and
              it has held me up considerably longer than a few seconds. I would never have caught the lights in the first place if the bike
              had not held me us so long.

Why is it such an impost to have to carry ID?
            You have to carry ID when you travel, when you drive, when you fish, and any number of other places.
            A small card sized identification is far from bulky or heavy, what is the problem?
            Or is it because it gives you the ability to remain anomalous when you have done something wrong or plan to
            commit a traffic offence?

Mention is made of several countries that have few issues with bikes,
            Try China, my friend, bikes are tolerated....barely. The new world uses scooters and bikes are frowned upon or even targeted.
            Other countries have better roads and much better infrastructure to allow harmonious existence between bikes and cars.
            The pathetic roads, goat tracks, disgusting lack of planning and useless bureaucracy do nothing to help make our traffic
            system safe or even functional. And this is not going to get any better in the short term because our public servants and
            politicians are far more worried about what they can get out of the system than what they can do to make it better.

And why do most bike riders have permanent PMS?
           Anger is the only constant with bike riders, my sister was verbally and very nearly physically assaulted by a bike rider because
           she had the temerity to actually turn left at an intersection legally while indicating said maneuver. The bike rider was screaming up
           the inside and rammed her vehicle, he then leapt off his bike, kicked the door in and started to move on her. Fortunately the driver
           of the car behind intervened and, as the rider was a typical coward, he backed off. The damage to the door was never paid,
           and the rider rode off threatening to find her and kill her. Obviously a nice bloke. At least he didnt damage his Lycra too badly.

Finally, About this meter and a half clearance.
          What of you are driving and a bike comes up alongside you from behind?
          Does one swerve to the right to ensure the required personal space is maintained?
          What if you are in heavy traffic? how does one comply with this law as the bike meanders down in between cars?
          I can see it now, as the rider rides through the traffic the cars all swerve to maintain distance, crashing into each other in a
          mad attempt to give this bike space. Heaven forbid should the bike come a croppers, and the car actually runs him over,
          fingers pointed directly at the car driver, not at the idiot on the bike who was the real cause. Its a legal nightmare.

Offline D4D

  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 16019
  • Thanked: 391 times
  • Are we there yet?
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #198 on: February 06, 2016, 12:11:26 PM »
...because she had the temerity to actually turn left at an intersection legally while indicating said maneuver. The bike rider was screaming up  the inside and rammed her vehicle

I love this one. I need to turn left into my CBD car park at the office in the morning. As I am aware that riders seem oblivious to my flashing indicator, I make sure I let it blink for an extended period before I turn in. 2 out of 5 days, I have a bike rider flying down the road abusing me thinking he has right of way as I turn in. I try and be courteous but if you're moving 5 times the speed of the traffic you're going to get yourself into trouble.

Bike paths are often meandering paths that don't allow you to go fast enough.
Bike paths are often cluttered with pedestrians that wander, dogs off leashes and prevent travelling at a decent speed.

I love this argument, ride to the conditions not mach 1 because you're trying to get aero. It's the same when I drive a car, I have to drive to the traffic speed.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2016, 12:13:02 PM by D4D »
I owe, I owe, it’s off to work I go…

Work - Outback
Play - Prado

Offline weeds

  • Hard Top Camper User
  • ******
  • Posts: 2149
  • Thanked: 164 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: NSW - Drivers and Cyclists - New laws March 2016
« Reply #199 on: February 06, 2016, 12:12:30 PM »

I haved a few simple questions/comments.

Someone wrote that bikes hold traffic up a couple of seconds.
              Sorry thats just crap. Bikes hold traffic up far longer peddling uphill swaying all over the road and barely doing 2 klm/hr.
              When one finally gets past them, they just overtake and get back in the front at the next set of lights, swerving through
              the cars, knocking mirrors and scratching paint as they go. I have been on the bad end of this practice several times and
              it has held me up considerably longer than a few seconds. I would never have caught the lights in the first place if the bike
              had not held me us so long.

Why is it such an impost to have to carry ID?
            You have to carry ID when you travel, when you drive, when you fish, and any number of other places.
            A small card sized identification is far from bulky or heavy, what is the problem?
            Or is it because it gives you the ability to remain anomalous when you have done something wrong or plan to
            commit a traffic offence?

Mention is made of several countries that have few issues with bikes,
            Try China, my friend, bikes are tolerated....barely. The new world uses scooters and bikes are frowned upon or even targeted.
            Other countries have better roads and much better infrastructure to allow harmonious existence between bikes and cars.
            The pathetic roads, goat tracks, disgusting lack of planning and useless bureaucracy do nothing to help make our traffic
            system safe or even functional. And this is not going to get any better in the short term because our public servants and
            politicians are far more worried about what they can get out of the system than what they can do to make it better.

And why do most bike riders have permanent PMS?
           Anger is the only constant with bike riders, my sister was verbally and very nearly physically assaulted by a bike rider because
           she had the temerity to actually turn left at an intersection legally while indicating said maneuver. The bike rider was screaming up
           the inside and rammed her vehicle, he then leapt off his bike, kicked the door in and started to move on her. Fortunately the driver
           of the car behind intervened and, as the rider was a typical coward, he backed off. The damage to the door was never paid,
           and the rider rode off threatening to find her and kill her. Obviously a nice bloke. At least he didnt damage his Lycra too badly.

Finally, About this meter and a half clearance.
          What of you are driving and a bike comes up alongside you from behind?
          Does one swerve to the right to ensure the required personal space is maintained?
          What if you are in heavy traffic? how does one comply with this law as the bike meanders down in between cars?
          I can see it now, as the rider rides through the traffic the cars all swerve to maintain distance, crashing into each other in a
          mad attempt to give this bike space. Heaven forbid should the bike come a croppers, and the car actually runs him over,
          fingers pointed directly at the car driver, not at the idiot on the bike who was the real cause. Its a legal nightmare.

Which country are you driving in??? I certainly haven't seen 90% of what you have said