Author Topic: House demolition/rebuild (Read 11334 times)

Nay-DMAX · « **on:** October 21, 2015, 03:17:47 PM »

Hi folks I know this is not specifically camping but it could be an extended period of camp type living for us. We have in the pipeline getting rid of our current house and building on the land we are on. Just wondered if there are any swaggers with experience in this. We are considering putting the current house for sale for removal at buyers expense instead of having to get it demolished.

Then we have the issue of where are we going to live, we are tossing up on a caravan here on the property but what are peoples thoughts or if you have had experience yourself as far as toilet/shower. Ideally we will be staying here in some capacity as the horses are here and don't want to be travelling each day or paying rent somewhere if we can help it. We do not currently have a caravan so unsure if we factor in the cost of purchasing a cheap van or hire something long term. Have not found out if there is anywhere locally who hires the toilet/shower units and don't know what the cost of those would be like depending on the time of year I would be happy to just put up a temporary "shed" and use the camp shower.

noel_w · « **Reply #1 on:** October 21, 2015, 03:22:29 PM »

Sounds like a good excuse for a 16m x 10m shed/man cave to be built. Bathroom toilet inbuilt as well. Set the camper up inside and home and hosed.

Nay-DMAX · « **Reply #2 on:** October 21, 2015, 03:25:22 PM »

Quote from: noel_w on October 21, 2015, 03:22:29 PM

Sounds like a good excuse for a 16m x 10m shed/man cave to be built. Bathroom toilet inbuilt as well. Set the camper up inside and home and hosed.

I can assure you if we could afford a shed that big in the grand plan that would be on the cards unfortunately the shed we are looking to build will be a fair bit smaller than that. The other thing with bathroom and toilet in there is that the current septic needs to go for new house build so would not have anywhere to plumb them too.

noel_w · « **Reply #3 on:** October 21, 2015, 03:29:53 PM »

You can always dream (of the shed). I know as I have been dreaming of one for 40 years.

Moggy · « **Reply #4 on:** October 21, 2015, 05:16:25 PM »

Up your insurance & put the red steer through it

D4D · « **Reply #5 on:** October 21, 2015, 05:18:11 PM »

You could call this guy

http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/extravagant-mansion-worth-20m-abruptly-demolished-in-toorak/story-fncq3era-1227577282900

Nay-DMAX · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2015, 05:37:39 PM »

Quote from: D4D on October 21, 2015, 05:18:11 PM

You could call this guy
http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/extravagant-mansion-worth-20m-abruptly-demolished-in-toorak/story-fncq3era-1227577282900

MMM yep but he appears to have the money to pay someone for demolition and council say we cannot do it ourselves.

dales133 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 21, 2015, 05:59:14 PM »

Im pretty sure you can hire those jayco style relocatables witch would give you everything you need including a bathroom providing you have room on the site.
Be more comfortable than a caravan and they come in several sizes

Nay-DMAX · « **Reply #8 on:** October 21, 2015, 06:02:52 PM »

Quote from: dales133 on October 21, 2015, 05:59:14 PM

Im pretty sure you can hire those jayco style relocatables witch would give you everything you need including a bathroom providing you have room on the site.
Be more comfortable than a caravan and they come in several sizes

Was thinking something like that but not sure how much it will push the price out and again would need plumbing if we had bathroom and old septic has to go.

staghornflat · « **Reply #9 on:** October 21, 2015, 06:12:55 PM »

You could have the new septic system installed for the new house (if it is possible) and have a temporary conection to it for your temporary accomodation.

terravista · « **Reply #10 on:** October 21, 2015, 06:17:06 PM »

An ex development sales office or the like are not overly expensive and a small composting toilet would negate a dedicated black water septic. A greywater holding tank with a pump may be acceptible to tbe Council.
When it is no longer needed you can sell it for close to what you paid, or keep it as a workshop.
We are working on a housing development site where the sales office was up for sale. 10m x 4.5 m.
All they wanted was $5 000 and the removal would have been around $3 000. It had 2 a/c units, insulated, security screens and wiring.
You could also look up old bus style RV's. I have seen them from $20 000 up to squillions but fully self contained.
If the new building needed a treatmant plant or septic, you may be able to site that so it can swing over to the house later.

prodigyrf · « **Reply #11 on:** October 21, 2015, 06:18:01 PM »

Quote from: Nay-DMAX on October 21, 2015, 05:37:39 PM

MMM yep but he appears to have the money to pay someone for demolition and council say we cannot do it ourselves.

Because of asbestos in the building or just that Council insist you must use qualified trades nowadays?

I assume the house is on stumps to be able to remove it and generally it has to be in reasonable nick to get someone to take on the cost of uplift and transport so you'll be fortunate if someone is prepared to take it away for nothing. If it's asbestos clad you could forget it.

If you want to sub out the new building yourself (Council will require licensed trades for all structural works, electrical, plumbing to sign off on them) which only leaves second fix, painting and cleaning up for you then the question of where to live onsite arises. With no septic they certainlywon't allow any wet area facility that isn't tank and pump out and one holers have long been banned on most building sites. That only leaves a caravan as it's temporary and you can then fudge the disposal quietly provided the health inspector doesn't come sniffing around. A shed first up would be ideal for storage while you're in the cara but perhaps the budget won't allow that til much later.

prodigyrf · « **Reply #12 on:** October 21, 2015, 06:37:27 PM »

Quote from: terravista on October 21, 2015, 06:17:06 PM

An ex development sales office or the like are not overly expensive and a small composting toilet would negate a dedicated black water septic.

No Councils won't wear any fixed building as they know owners may want to live in them so only storage sheds and temp toilets for building. On commercial the unions require fully plumbed and wired facilities but that's out of the question for domestic.

I'd stick to a road registered cara that you can tow away and come back again should Council have a time of stay limit for them and you can comply, a lot like parking a trailer on a public road with time rules. Water will be OK as the meter stays but these days a lot of Councils won't allow gennys onsite which means ponying up for a temp power board. A sparky must arrange for power to be cutoff at the pole and disconnect for the the demolition/removal anyway and then you'll have to pay for a temporary power board for the building and supply for the cara.

MDS69 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 21, 2015, 06:44:48 PM »

As prodigyrf said most people who remove houses do so FOC and cover their own transport costs etc.
You are looking at $10-15k to demolish with asbestos extra, all depending on tip fees and location etc.
As far as amenities are concerned and an someone alluded above you might be able to hire or purchase/resell an amenities block with black water tank pumped out occasionally. These sheds may not require council permission.

Edit you replied while I was typing.
With regards to power get the Sparky to install a pole on your front boundary with a supply authority meter/ service fuses etc and a power point or two. You might be able to negotiate a discount with the builder on your temp builders supply if you go down this path. Then when the Sparky need to power up the new house he does it from this meter box on the boundary with an underground supply and no ugly overhead service hanging of the front of the house.

Vitara_JaycoSwift_Outback · « **Reply #14 on:** October 21, 2015, 06:46:16 PM »

How big is your property? Could you build the new on a different spot and then when it's all done knock down the old one?

Nay-DMAX · « **Reply #15 on:** October 21, 2015, 06:54:51 PM »

Quote from: prodigyrf on October 21, 2015, 06:18:01 PM

Because of asbestos in the building or just that Council insist you must use qualified trades nowadays?

I assume the house is on stumps to be able to remove it and generally it has to be in reasonable nick to get someone to take on the cost of uplift and transport so you'll be fortunate if someone is prepared to take it away for nothing. If it's asbestos clad you could forget it.

If you want to sub out the new building yourself (Council will require licensed trades for all structural works, electrical, plumbing to sign off on them) which only leaves second fix, painting and cleaning up for you then the question of where to live onsite arises. With no septic they certainlywon't allow any wet area facility that isn't tank and pump out and one holers have long been banned on most building sites. That only leaves a caravan as it's temporary and you can then fudge the disposal quietly provided the health inspector doesn't come sniffing around. A shed first up would be ideal for storage while you're in the cara but perhaps the budget won't allow that til much later.

No asbestos cladding house is in reasonable but old condition would need some work but if someone had a permit to put a house on their weekender or something it could do that sort of job. And yes it is on stumps. In regards to demolition ourselves they just say we cant do it, the paperwork only says they require evidence that the demolisher has necessary knowledge, experience, equipment and storage to properly conduct the demolition.

The new house will be with a building company so council wont have a problem with that. I was thinking with the toilet side of things depending on cost just hiring one of those on a trailer type ones and getting it swapped as needed? But not sure what the cost would be or if anyone would give us a long term hire type cost. Septic will be in the new house build. Shed up first is still on the cards but would only be about 6mx6m we do have some storage options available and the things that would not be going in the new house like freestanding wardrobes we would sell.

Nay-DMAX · « **Reply #16 on:** October 21, 2015, 06:56:00 PM »

Quote from: terravista on October 21, 2015, 06:17:06 PM

An ex development sales office or the like are not overly expensive and a small composting toilet would negate a dedicated black water septic. A greywater holding tank with a pump may be acceptible to tbe Council.
When it is no longer needed you can sell it for close to what you paid, or keep it as a workshop.
We are working on a housing development site where the sales office was up for sale. 10m x 4.5 m.
All they wanted was $5 000 and the removal would have been around $3 000. It had 2 a/c units, insulated, security screens and wiring.
You could also look up old bus style RV's. I have seen them from $20 000 up to squillions but fully self contained.
If the new building needed a treatmant plant or septic, you may be able to site that so it can swing over to the house later.

Thanks I think a van will end up cheaper and we can pay a fee to council $100ish to stay in a van on our property whilst we build then just have to try sort out the toilet shower issue.

prodigyrf · « **Reply #17 on:** October 21, 2015, 06:59:56 PM »

Hmmm...even the cara may need a Planning permit and hoops to jump through if you scroll down this link to 'Living in a Static Caravan On Your Own Land'
http://www.c4caravans.com/blog/can-i-live-in-my-static-caravan.php
pay to check your local Council's Development Plan online and chat with a Development officer for the lowdown before you jump.
You wonder why Builders have to charge what they do eh?

Nay-DMAX · « **Reply #18 on:** October 21, 2015, 07:05:59 PM »

Wont quote them all as similar comments in each. The power will just be moved to a pole on the property it is all underground already would work something out for caravan. No water meter here so that part is not an issue either. We do know some builders so will have a chat to them about the demolition side. I could do it myself for much less.

Vitarajaycoswiftoutback we are on 8 acres and have considered that option of building on another spot on the property but there is not really anywhere that allows us to build and still be near current sheds and not lose land space for the horses. I know you would think you gain it back when knocking down the current house but the only real paddock that we could put it in we wouldn't get that space back fully.

Prodigyrf I see you posted about caravan we have already met with council and yes you have to apply and pay small fee but in this instance they will let you live in a van on your property. The town planner at council was great the building department guy not so much

prodigyrf · « **Reply #19 on:** October 21, 2015, 07:14:25 PM »

Our posts crossed so sounds like you're already clued up with the cara permit. To get around the toilet hire you could try and source the cheapest van with a shower and toilet and that might satisfy Council. You can always water the garden with the grey water and bury the dunny stuff although naturally you'll be disposing of it in an appropriate sewer point

The builder will be charging you for an onsite toilet as well remember so you might come to an agreement with him re extra pump out cost.

Don't believe all that baloney about relevant experience, etc for demolition as it's all specific licences now and most licensed builders like me don't have demo certification, largely because there's no point if you're not seriously geared up for it. We call in the licensed specialists.

Mrs smith · « **Reply #20 on:** October 21, 2015, 07:20:37 PM »

Depending on where you are and your local councils will have an effect on how easy and cost effective is getting rid of or removing the current house. Some councils make it very hard to relocate a house within the area, if this is the case IMO your better off advertising it as free for removal or looking at demolishing it.
For accommodation I'd look at a van and selling it later or alliteratively maybe a local CV
where you could hire a cabin for a while may suit.

Nay-DMAX · « **Reply #21 on:** October 21, 2015, 07:27:11 PM »

Quote from: prodigyrf on October 21, 2015, 07:14:25 PM

Our posts crossed so sounds like you're already clued up with the cara permit. To get around the toilet hire you could try and source the cheapest van with a shower and toilet and that might satisfy Council. You can always water the garden with the grey water and bury the dunny stuff although naturally you'll be disposing of it in an appropriate sewer point The builder will be charging you for an onsite toilet as well remember so you might come to an agreement with him re extra pump out cost.

Don't believe all that baloney about relevant experience, etc for demolition as it's all specific licences now and most licensed builders like me don't have demo certification, largely because there's no point if you're not seriously geared up for it. We call in the licensed specialists.

Worst case scenario for that there is a dump point in town. Might have to go and speak to the local hire place and see what their costs are like. If we have to pay high amount for demolition then that will put the build back more. That is why we were thinking of advertising it the guy at council asked if we had thought about doing that.

prodigyrf · « **Reply #22 on:** October 21, 2015, 07:41:12 PM »

Definitely try and find someone to remove it for nix and you might start advertising on Gumtree or the like to test the waters bearing in mind a taker might have some considerable lead time themselves.

I see you've discovered the different personalities in Council. Building tech guys are often the grumpy ones vs the people personages in Planning but not always. Just remember, complete calm and bulk sucking up no matter how much you want to take a poke at some of them

Nay-DMAX · « **Reply #23 on:** October 21, 2015, 07:44:22 PM »

Quote from: prodigyrf on October 21, 2015, 07:41:12 PM

Definitely try and find someone to remove it for nix and you might start advertising on Gumtree or the like to test the waters bearing in mind a taker might have some considerable lead time themselves.

I see you've discovered the different personalities in Council. Building tech guys are often the grumpy ones vs the people personages in Planning but not always. Just remember, complete calm and bulk sucking up no matter how much you want to take a poke at some of them

Yes I was very nice and didn't come back with any smart a*#e comments when I asked can it be any builder and he said "oh do you know a builder do you" like I wouldn't know a single one I said "oh yep plenty" and just smiled he couldn't tell me the answer to that. That is why we went and had a meeting with them as we wanted to get off on the right foot with council and know what we had in store as we wont be looking to build until next year but we want to be as organised as possible.

gphcald · « **Reply #24 on:** October 21, 2015, 08:05:43 PM »

Quote from: Nay-DMAX on October 21, 2015, 03:17:47 PM

Hi folks I know this is not specifically camping but it could be an extended period of camp type living for us. We have in the pipeline getting rid of our current house and building on the land we are on. Just wondered if there are any swaggers with experience in this. We are considering putting the current house for sale for removal at buyers expense instead of having to get it demolished.

Then we have the issue of where are we going to live, we are tossing up on a caravan here on the property but what are peoples thoughts or if you have had experience yourself as far as toilet/shower. Ideally we will be staying here in some capacity as the horses are here and don't want to be travelling each day or paying rent somewhere if we can help it. We do not currently have a caravan so unsure if we factor in the cost of purchasing a cheap van or hire something long term. Have not found out if there is anywhere locally who hires the toilet/shower units and don't know what the cost of those would be like depending on the time of year I would be happy to just put up a temporary "shed" and use the camp shower.

My boss has bought one pf the portable toilets used on building sites for use on his farm. He gets a company to empty it out each month but you might need it more regular, if you put it near the cara and all under a temp roof then nobody gets wet doing the midnight run

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Author Topic: House demolition/rebuild (Read 11334 times)