Work for the dole

[dales133]

You think thats bad......     A dad of the rellies (Yamba) told his boy on his (I think) 16th birthday. ...   "com'on boy.... lets take ya down to the office  ( aka Centrelink)..... to get ya ya SITDOWN MONEY)".....    true story. ...

Shake&Bake BB

Shakes head.

I worked in several housholds doing DHS maintenence where several generations sat around smoking weed with tier pregnant kids and wouldnt even get off thier arses to answer the door when you knocked,just screamed at you to come in and no thanks when you were finnished.
Thankless bastards.
Fortionatly they were the minority though

[stabicraft]

After 44 years of working my ass off and paying taxes I was layed off, thanks Abbott you moron, allowing companies to send everything to China and pay no import.

I went to centafink and was very coldly informed that I was not eligible for the dole, too many assets apparently.
I own my own home, I have two cars and a boat and all my trade tools.
A few grand in the bank and that's it

We pay taxes and these deadbeats have no intention of helping out.
I cant get assistance, pension benefits or even help finding work, what do these deadbeats do for a living?

Work for the dole.................what dole?

They tell me to come back in two years if I don't find work, two bloody years.
Should have got into politics when I was younger, bleed the system dry and still get more
Us workers are nothing but cash cows and fodder for the parasites.
Dracula does exist, he is the government, bleeding us all dry for their own benefit.

A POX ON THEM ALL

[Trailer Bloke]

I think work for the dole should be for anyone under 60 who is able to work and has been unemployed for 12 months the dole is there to help people get back on their feet it's not a career.

[gronk]

I think work for the dole should be for anyone under 60 who is able to work and has been unemployed for 12 months the dole is there to help people get back on their feet it's not a career.

The only problem is how would you implement it for every dole recipient ?? Is there enough "jobs" for that amount of people ?

Lose the dole if you don't turn up for your "work" ??    Aahh, the dole bludgers have already got that sorted....a medical certificate saying they were sick..

I know if I was on the dole and I was made to work and others were getting out of it I would be pretty pi**ed..

[BaseCamp]

Listening to Alan Jones on the radio this morning 12/08/2015  .....  these are some of the statistics he was quoting (and before the switch on the pedantic-police is flicked to on....   I am going off a half awakening morning memory OK?)....

Australia's total welfare bill per annum.    1.56 BILLION dollars....   that's  $5,000 every second. ....   a couple with 2 kids earning $60K pa pays no tax (this is in terms of welfare kickbacks and incentives etc I think he meant)....   Something like 6 out of every 10 Aussies are suckling on the teat of welfare cash for one reason or the other.....

If someone has the knowhow to be able to post up the transcript or audio link of Jones' diatribe this morning I would be very grateful

Shake&Bake BB

[Oldandslow]

The work for the dole program has nothing to do with training for future employment. It has been put in place to inconvenience dole recipients to the point where they are prepared to lower their job expectations to a point where they will take any job going. Some people on the dole are fair dinkum but many more set their sights way too high. Nothing wrong with stacking shelves and cleaning toilets until something better comes along.

[JusyApples]

Listening to Alan Jones on the radio this morning 12/08/2015  .....  these are some of the statistics he was quoting (and before the switch on the pedantic-police is flicked to on....   I am going off a half awakening morning memory OK?)....

Australia's total welfare bill per annum.    1.56 BILLION dollars....   that's  $5,000 every second. ....   a couple with 2 kids earning $60K pa pays no tax (this is in terms of welfare kickbacks and incentives etc I think he meant)....   Something like 6 out of every 10 Aussies are suckling on the teat of welfare cash for one reason or the other.....

If someone has the knowhow to be able to post up the transcript or audio link of Jones' diatribe this morning I would be very grateful

Shake&Bake BB

It shows you on your tax return these days where your taxes go and Centrelink is one massive blight on the tax payer

[rags]

Just looked on SEEK with keyword "work for the dole" and 6 pages of jobs as supervisor type roles came up. Looks like the new growth industry funded by tax payers making companies wealthy until funding is cut which then sends these businesses broke resulting in lawsuits for compensation, the lastest "pink batt" gravy train

[slydar]

Nothing wrong with stacking shelves and cleaning toilets until something better comes along.

agreed - went from a $120k a year I.T. Consultant to installing roof insulation until it got the better of my arthritis, later was scrubbing toilets and cleaning offices (thanks to some friends in the industry who ha d a staff member leave just before I bumped into them) - have been back in the industry for over ten years now, as much out of luck as anything else - had some interesting experiences with the dreaded c-link, one was good but the next one closer to Sydney certainly wasn't. I actually scored a job and had been working for three months once before they realised they had lost my application for benefit and would be backpaying me for that entire period - lucky I didnt need any money to live on in that time! friends who worked there told me they would be doing everything they could to get out of paying me any 'entitlement', another friend was told to sell her car (that she had worked for all her life) as 'she didn't justify having a car worth that much'...

interestingly enough though centrelink seem to lose a lot of cases when they are taken before their own tribunal...

[gronk]

. Nothing wrong with stacking shelves and cleaning toilets until something better comes along.

Nothing wrong at all, and if that's the job going, I'll do it until something better comes along.

I can't get the dole until December, but I certainly hope I get a job before then, because I don't want to go into the govt merry go round of robots..

[stabicraft]

What these bastards aren't telling you is how much of this welfare money is going to senior public servants, politicians and other hangers on who get a ridiculous amount of cash for their "pensions".

every serving member, and there are thousands of the parasites, gets a tax free pension of hundreds of thousands of dollars for life, and when they die their families get it.

If every unemployed "Dole Bludger" was taken off the dole tomorrow, the welfare bill would still be two thirds of what it is now, remove the Joe Average pensioners who get precious little money and the bill would be half of what it is.
What we need is to have a standard pension, no special Indigenous, public servant, politician or illegal immigrant pensions, one pension for all.
That would bring the welfare bill to half of what it is, but there is little chance of that, politicians never even get their noses out and will fight to the death to suck us dry.

[Nomad]

I remember reading that it would be cheaper to give every australian $1million over a three year period to do what they want with i.e. buy a house, a business or piss it up against a wall. After that no more welfare..............I have seen the crap that goes on inside these welfare agancies and they could not give two sh!ts about meaningful job placement. They are only interested in lining their own pockets, which you can understand when something like this is handed to private enterprise......how wealthy is Teressa (Rudd) for instance.

[D4D]

If every unemployed "Dole Bludger" was taken off the dole tomorrow, the welfare bill would still be two thirds of what it is now, remove the Joe Average pensioners who get precious little money and the bill would be half of what it is.
What we need is to have a standard pension, no special Indigenous, public servant, politician or illegal immigrant pensions, one pension for all.
That would bring the welfare bill to half of what it is, but there is little chance of that, politicians never even get their noses out and will fight to the death to suck us dry.

Really? Your maths sounds a bit off...

[gronk]

I remember reading that it would be cheaper to give every australian $1million over a three year period

Just give me the same amount over a 20yr period and the welfare system will never hear of me again !! LOL

[krisandkev]

The below graph shows where the largest part of our federal budget goes.  There is no doubt we have become a welfare country and a large portion of the population know how to use it, or abuse it.  We cannot go on like this and we all will pay for it one day.  Our political system is currently unable to start the process as we have a hostile senate and opposition politicians know not to rock the boat, do nothing and become heroes to a large part of the population and get their votes.  And don’t get me started on our media.      Kevin

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-12/budget-2015-sliced-diced-interactive/6460102#spending/breakdown/2016/social-security-and-welfare

[gronk]

Trouble is, what's the solution ?

The centrelink robots aren't programmed to tell the diff between people who do and don't want to work.

[JusyApples]

The below graph shows where the largest part of our federal budget goes.  There is no doubt we have become a welfare country and a large portion of the population know how to use it, or abuse it.  We cannot go on like this and we all will pay for it one day.  Our political system is currently unable to start the process as we have a hostile senate and opposition politicians know not to rock the boat, do nothing and become heroes to a large part of the population and get their votes.  And don’t get me started on our media.      Kevin

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-12/budget-2015-sliced-diced-interactive/6460102#spending/breakdown/2016/social-security-and-welfare

Yep. Unfortunately the government is trying to save money after we were spiralled into a huge debt, but the most important thing people want to debate is gay marriage. Not the fact that we pay a 100m a day in interest.

[fishfinder]

I think work for the dole should be for anyone under 60 who is able to work and has been unemployed for 12 months the dole is there to help people get back on their feet it's not a career.

Prior from removing myself off the system I used all + more from the dole money looking for work. Now that they wanted me to use the majority of the little bit I get travelling to and from, what they call work and I see it as a retirement hobby I think it stinks. I feel it more resourceful self funding my job searching rather than sacrificing that time  playing with trains amongst a bunch of keen retired people happy to use their time up with something they enjoy, in which I don't see it as a career at all.

[Kangaron]

These, in my opinion, should not factor as "welfare"
Social Security should not be under the same umbrella.

[krisandkev]

These, in my opinion, should not factor as "welfare"
Social Security should not be under the same umbrella.

Totally agree.   Same with pensions.  I know quite a few people (not friends with but because of my previous occupation) on a Disability Pension because of their drug addictions etc.  Yet when the current government tried to introduce a bill into the senate to target this field it was shot down, along with negative media coverage.  Same with a waiting period to get the dole.  I still find it unbelievable that someone can leave school and get the dole immediately! But I suppose the poor things have had such a stressful time going to school and having to sit exams that they need a rest before they start looking for work.     Kevin

[stabicraft]

apparently I'm not entitled to ANYTHING from govco, nothing, zip, nada.

4o+ years of paying taxes and working, saving and buying a house.
But with my "liquid assets" Boat, Cars, tools, my wife's antiques that she has collected over the years and a little in the bank for emergencies, I apparently go over the allowable limit and I have to cash in my "assets" and live off them.
That is until I'm destitute and then they will reconsider my circumstances.

The lesson in this is to never bother saving and buying things (unless you are a senior public servant or politician, its anything goes for them).
Just enjoy life to the full, travel, spend up big waste your money and then when you are all worn out from enjoying yopurself and flat broke, govco will support you, pay the rent and give, give , give.

Those who do the right thing are stuffed, we are there simply to support the bludgers and parasites and if trouble comes, get stuffed, use what you have saved and slaved for to support yourself or die.

May they all contract a suitably contagious fatal disease, spread it around among their mates, and die, hopefully quickly so that they waste less of my taxes.

[gronk]

Those who do the right thing are stuffed, we are there simply to support the bludgers and parasites and if trouble comes, get stuffed, use what you have saved and slaved for to support yourself or die.

I had 9 yrs up at the last place....and because I saved my sickies ( instead of wasting them like others ), still had some holidays owing and didn't use my long service leave, I wait longer than someone who used all these things up ?

I've paid taxes for 40yrs, and while I don't think I deserve anything just because of that, I think I deserve it more than someone who has never had a job !!

And don't expect me to get down to their level ( by using all my savings ) before you hand out some cash..
And if I ever get to go on the dole, don't expect me to work for the dole ( for peanuts ) while others who know how to rort the system sit on their ar*e at home !

[paceman]

But with my "liquid assets" Boat, Cars, tools, my wife's antiques that she has collected over the years and a little in the bank for emergencies, I apparently go over the allowable limit and I have to cash in my "assets" and live off them.
That is until I'm destitute and then they will reconsider my circumstances.

don't want to start a war here, but why is it so unreasonable for the government to ask you to sell some of your assets to fund a drop in income?

to take your situation further:

if i was a multi-millionaire, with millions of dollars worth of assets (land, property, etc) that i owned outright, but with no income (for the sake of this example), should i immediately be able to access welfare, even though i could sell some of my assets and live off the proceeds?

there has to be a line drawn, somewhere.

i was in the same situation going to university, where i couldn't receive assistance because my father owned a cane farm, so asset-rich, but income-poor.  he had to sell some of his assets to provide for my education.

i'm sorry for the situation you are in, but i can see the government's point in trying to make people use their assets first, before asking the government for help.

and yes, i am fully aware that the welfare system is full of scumbags who don't deserve it...

again, please take this post in the manner it has been posted.  i am just trying to offer something to the discussion, not to denigrate your circumstances.


edit:  spelling and new sentence.

[BaseCamp]

apparently I'm not entitled to ANYTHING from govco, nothing, zip, nada.

4o+ years of paying taxes and working, saving and buying a house.
But with my "liquid assets" Boat, Cars, tools, my wife's antiques that she has collected over the years and a little in the bank for emergencies, I apparently go over the allowable limit and I have to cash in my "assets" and live off them.
That is until I'm destitute and then they will reconsider my circumstances.

The lesson in this is to never bother saving and buying things (unless you are a senior public servant or politician, its anything goes for them).
Just enjoy life to the full, travel, spend up big waste your money and then when you are all worn out from enjoying yopurself and flat broke, govco will support you, pay the rent and give, give , give.

Those who do the right thing are stuffed, we are there simply to support the bludgers and parasites and if trouble comes, get stuffed, use what you have saved and slaved for to support yourself or die.

Yes, I would say that this is one of the striking differences between our system over here - and say that of the USA....

It appears that everything over here has to get "dumbed DOWN" to the lowest common denominator...

Its the case that in Australia the meek; (read feeble and pathetic); will inherit the Earth; (and 'bankrupt' the rest of us in the process....).

Whereas in the USA it is the other way around...   They have a get-up-and-go entrepreneurial system which is applauded and encouraged...    (Think Donald Trump etc)....

Over here we have a term for the reality of what IS the opposite:  The Tall Poppie Syndrome... grrr

On a macro level - former premier Peter Beatie's idea of the "Smart State" never took off either...

A very close friend of mine is coming up to retirement age...   Has worked his guts out his whole life.   Has built a property portfolio etc - and will probably be deemed by the Govt as a "self funded retiree"...

Its so sick - that as well as his big tax dollars being tipped into the welfare state throughout his working life - now as he gets older and vulnerable - he has to continue to fend for himself and rely upon himself...   whilst elsewhere - the gravy train rolls on...



     

[gronk]

Its so sick - that as well as his big tax dollars being tipped into the welfare state throughout his working life - now as he gets older and vulnerable - he has to continue to fend for himself and rely upon himself...   whilst elsewhere - the gravy train rolls on...

I would welcome the chance to be self funded...and not have to go anywhere near the welfare system..