Road Toll

[skegbudley]

Really?  Surely you would have come across the research that speed cameras DETER speeding because you don't know where they are and have no chance of getting let off.

This results in less motorists speeding and the resultant reduction in fatalities as explained earlier.

Time to come clean with us. You drive the research bus didn't you?  Bought the coffee?  Come on be honest.

As I said.  I used to setup the tests and was involved in the actual testing as someone that was nata certified to measure test results including operating a skid resistance tester amongst many other test apparatus.   I didn't do the research. That was for the egg heads.
I wasn't a academic in those days.  That came later in my career and in a different field of study. (IT)

[skegbudley]

And yes I am aware that speed cameras deter speeding.  It doesn't mean that the qld government didn't introduce them as a revenue raising exercise.  I don't speed these days anyway. I pay enough attention to the road to be able to pick speed cameras in QLD easily.  It was being pulled over by a few (ok. Several) cops that made me change my ways and consciously not speed.  I believe that coppers on the ground is the best way of making people drive more responsibly.  I am all for more drug and alcohol testing and wouldn't mind if I was pulled up and tested every day as police presence works in deterring the idiots or gets them off the road completely.  I've got nothing against cops.  It's the government's misuse of resources that I have issues with.  Spend money on more cops not cameras.

[D4D]

On a similar topic, I think the new TAC road safety commercials are marketing genius. We have become desensitised to the gore/shock based commercials. Connecting driving to your children is very powerful and emotive. Some ad exec has done well.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-08/dangerous-driving-parents-targetted-in-road-safety-campaign/6377700

Oh and some facts

Facts about Victoria's young drivers
•24 drivers aged between 18-25 killed in 2014
•75 per cent were males
•71 per cent were killed on country roads
•63 per cent were killed in single vehicle crashes
•75 per cent were involved in crashes that occurred during high alcohol times
•67 per cent of deaths occurred on 100km/h signposted roads
Source: TAC

[krisandkev]

I believe that coppers on the ground is the best way of making people drive more responsibly.  I am all for more drug and alcohol testing and wouldn't mind if I was pulled up and tested every day as police presence works in deterring the idiots or gets them off the road completely.  I've got nothing against cops.  It's the government's misuse of resources that I have issues with.  Spend money on more cops not cameras.

BINGO     

Unfortunately it will never go back to those days.  Work Place Health and Safety made it more difficult to set up hand held radar sites on roads, especially highways.  And the design of highways also makes it difficult as they usually raise the road and leave very little room to safely pull a vehicle over.  But the old days of stopping a vehicle, talking to the driver and doing several checks on the driver and the vehicle achieved a lot more than a speed camera does.  You could even issue a caution rather than an infringement notice!   And for the smart ar***s that would get a ticket and then drive off at a rate of knots, having another officer sitting up the road would help to modify their behaviour.   We are pretty bad as drivers when you travel overseas and see others, except NZ.  I was so sick of having a car almost sitting in my back seat because I was driving on or a little over the speed limit.      Kevin

[dazzler]

Try not to think of speed cameras as the only bullet in the gun.

Traffic cops are out there doing what they do. IMO there should be way more police motorcyclists out there hitting the other just as important stuff like phones, seat belts, red lights etc.

Plus they see self funding. Each year I was on the bikes my wages and bike lease were covered by fines and court appearances.

When it comes to revenue raising arguments there is not doubt governments love it. Like pokie machine and cigarettes its s cash cow.

The people can easily starve it to death if they choose.

Keep in mind that the cost to the community of a single fatality was estimated in the 90's to be over $500,000 in lost taxs and all the other stuff economists use. So every life saved is money saved.

Now here is the big question. Putting aside remote rural roads where fatigue is an issue and travelling safely at higher speeds may be beneficial, what negatives are there for all motorists complying with the speed limit?

Interested in answers to that one.

[skegbudley]

I don't see any negatives in everyone complying with the speed limit. Expecially in 50 zones. I also wish that people would comply with the sticking to the left lane rule on multi lane roads.
As for motorcycle cops. I think the new undercover bikes are the best idea the QPS has come up with in years.