Road Toll

[Mrs smith]

For all those having a little whinge about speed cameras, whether they be marked or unmarked, here is an easy solution to solve all your problems, don't speed.  Simple!!!!

For those who reckon the cops are doing it for revenue raising, seriously?  The police get no revenue from fines of any description.  All fines go to the state gevernment's consolidated revenue fund and the police budget is doled out by your elected representatives just like for any other government department budget.

Every state govenment in Australia would go broke overnight if they did not have speed cameras.  I personally reckon speed cameras are great.  The more the better.  You see I know that if there weren't any speed cameras, the government would have to raise taxes, or introduce new taxes, to cover their current level of spending on things like health and education and better roads etc.  Because I don't speed, I don't have to pay the speed camera tax and can leave it to those who speed to subsidise my welfare.  Speed cameras are saving me taxes.  They are great!!!!  Let's have more of them.

KB

I never been done by a speed camera (touch wood) but I hate the thought of someone having just sped past one going on to injure someone. I'd like to see more presence
on the road. 

You totally missed the point of my post.
I was merely questioning the validity of fining someone who "flashes" oncoming traffic with a view to slowing them down, regardless of whether i "guess" the speed as opposed to police radar.
Because in the cold hard light of day there is noway known if my "flashing" makes any difference at all, simply because its a circular argument. The other consideration is also the limit maybe 100 but if its pi$$in rain then that speed may not be appropriate, but it certainly wouldnt be illegal.
As i said previously the only guaranteed way to eliminate the road toll is to get rid of the cause - CARS -
I hope i never have to face that & i feel for the people that have & do, but we need to understand its inevitable that people will be killed whilst driving cars

My speed is based on the speedo, & i know the 10% rule went out, its down to 8% apparently 

My father said years ago that if everyone drove a 60s VW there would be few if any deaths from car accidents, as they were just like dodgem cars.
 

[BaseCamp]

we just completed a 2,200km round trip: Brisbane; Roma; Charleville; Canarvon; and back to Brisbane..

I did not see one roadside speed unit during that entire trip, (over the deadly Easter period)... or any police whatsoever..

Except for 1 or 2 cop cars (which I assume were equipped with speed cameras) - both going and returning - (on the stretch between Injune and Canarvon)...    And that could be argued was for "revenue purposes"...??   

(Even the console operator at the Caltex at Injune warned us about the mobile speed patrols in that area - warning us to stick to the 90km - 100km speed limits....   Said he had coped a $400 speeding fine the day before - doing 120km per hour...

But the sickest  thing to me was returning back to Brisbane last night at about 4pm- 6pm (TUE 07/04) ... on the stretch Dalby - Toowoomba....    So much traffic (in both directions); no police in sight; at least 100+ B Doubles and Triples coming head on, (traveling West); only about 3 places that I recall in the whole stretch where there were overtaking lanes; and in the mix of all that - a @#$%& P Plater leap frogging 1, or more cars / trucks at a time - at speeds at least 120kms - 130plms an hour...   

All of that is just waiting for death to come, imo...   (no police; loads of traffic including 'city folk' returning to Brisbane?; gazillions of B doubles and triples etc; (them driving head on at ya facing the setting sun; absence of overtaking lanes; and the P Plater....)    All very sad and dangerous...
 

[Mik01]

For all those having a little whinge about speed cameras, whether they be marked or unmarked, here is an easy solution to solve all your problems, don't speed.  Simple!!!!

For those who reckon the cops are doing it for revenue raising, seriously?  The police get no revenue from fines of any description.  All fines go to the state gevernment's consolidated revenue fund and the police budget is doled out by your elected representatives just like for any other government department budget.

Every state govenment in Australia would go broke overnight if they did not have speed cameras.  I personally reckon speed cameras are great.  The more the better.  You see I know that if there weren't any speed cameras, the government would have to raise taxes, or introduce new taxes, to cover their current level of spending on things like health and education and better roads etc.  Because I don't speed, I don't have to pay the speed camera tax and can leave it to those who speed to subsidise my welfare.  Speed cameras are saving me taxes.  They are great!!!!  Let's have more of them.

KB

KB - that's exactly what many are saying - when govt relies on the revenue to pay for extravagant spending, then they devise ways to capture more 'speeders'. What is the cost to clean up each accident - ie hospital, ambulance, firies, cops, road repairs? Less accidents means less costs, and better utilisation of public assets.
Like in Victoria - my first time driving there I got caught doing 103 in a 100 zone. They only allow 2k buffer. Was I speeding? Technically, but why is that a safe and legal speed in QLD?

Visible police cause people to slow down. That causes the whole traffic line to slow, and prevents speeding. If it's for safety, then we need visible police, not hiding in bushes or in unmarked vans.

[Steffo1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
Look at Germany with high limits. Perhaps driver skills & road conditions are a factor? I've just come back from 4 weeks in Europe & felt safer with the drivers there than any place in Oz. Even in Paris & Rome it's a passive drive with pedestrians, pushbikes, motor scooters & taxis jostling for space. I loved it & guess what? No road rage. If someone cuts in or out there may be a gesture or quick blow of the horn & then it's all over.
And, as an aside, this is the only bicycle rider I saw in Lycra!

[dazzler]

I hate the "road toll" like it's always going up. We are actually doing really good and that needs to be said by the police media.

What is very sneaky is including city fatals in the mix. If you die on northboure av Canberra or on the ring road in vic it's got bugger all to do with Easter.

The stationary speed cameras in NSW (white dual cabs) are doing a great job at reducing major collisions in NSW. 


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[Andreweasty90]

Seriously?  So the police only book speeders and drunks becuse of profit motivation?

KB

i know they don't only book speeding and drunk drivers but I don't see blitzes on unroadworthy cars, people who can't/should not be driving. I know they do book them all but seems to me their main focus is on those two offences as they do male a lot of revenue from them and are easier to police. I get they don't want people to die or be injured and I think anyone who drive with any alcohol in their system is foolish but putting a speed camera at the bottom of a down hill not a steep one just steep enough to gain a few kms over or in a street which has been recently resigned a slower speed 60 down to 50 (I got done doing 56)  seems like they have a target figure to raise


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[skegbudley]

I believe that the road toll is as high as it is because the police and the government concentrate their efforts on speeding instead of the real causes.  Speed is only responsible for less than 1% of fatal accidents. If they were serious about reducing the road toll they would concentrate on the other 99% instead of revenue raising.

[KingBilly]

I believe that the road toll is as high as it is because the police and the government concentrate their efforts on speeding instead of the real causes.  Speed is only responsible for less than 1% of fatal accidents. If they were serious about reducing the road toll they would concentrate on the other 99% instead of revenue raising.

Welcome to the forum.

Do you have any actual data to substantiate your claim of "speed is only reponsible for less than1% of fatal accidents"?

Very different opinion to what the below have found:

http://www.tac.vic.gov.au/road-safety/statistics/summaries/speed-statistics

http://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/statistics/crashbehaviouralfactors.html

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Transport%20and%20road%20statistics/Road%20safety/Fatal_road_traffic_crashes_in_qld_2011.pdf

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/D18CA4EA930FF0D2CA25773700169CE5?opendocument

KB

[KingBilly]

or in a street which has been recently resigned a slower speed 60 down to 50 (I got done doing 56)  seems like they have a target figure to raise

Not sure what state you are in or talking about but in Queensland the speed limit is 50 kph UNLESS OTHERWISE SIGNED.

Secondly I can categorically assure you that in Queensland there are no "target figures" or quotas for issuing traffic tickets by the police.

KB

[skegbudley]

Welcome to the forum.

Do you have any actual data to substantiate your claim of "speed is only reponsible for less than1% of fatal accidents"?

Very different opinion to what the below have found:

http://www.tac.vic.gov.au/road-safety/statistics/summaries/speed-statistics

http://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/statistics/crashbehaviouralfactors.html

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Transport%20and%20road%20statistics/Road%20safety/Fatal_road_traffic_crashes_in_qld_2011.pdf

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/D18CA4EA930FF0D2CA25773700169CE5?opendocument

KB

I sure do.
All the links below use fake data to justify the revenue raising. 

I was one of the few people outside the government to get to read the QLD Parliamentary Travel Safe committee report into the introduction of speed cameras in QLD. This is the report that was tabled in Parliament in order to pass the speed camera legislation. The report had to use the real facts and figures rather than the information that is released to the general public. The figures came from the coroner's office and are substantiated.
Several interesting facts are in the document.
The percentage of fatal road accidents that are caused by speed is about 0.85%
Fatalities have increased in almost every state and country where speed cameras have been introduced.
They were unable to find a single country where speed cameras have lowered the death toll.
Speed cameras were recommended for use in QLD in this report because of the revenue they generate. The monetary figures were based on NSW and VIC's current and future revenue figures.




BTW. Your a funny bastard. 
I've been here since 2006 and my post count is double yours

[KingBilly]

I sure do.
All the links below use fake data to justify the revenue raising. 

I was one of the few people outside the government to get to read the QLD Parliamentary Travel Safe committee report into the introduction of speed cameras in QLD.

So just another government conspiracy then 

Do you have a link?  As it is a govenment committee and report it should be publicly available.  I found a lot of that committee's reports online but not the one you refer to.  All I could find was the below and it suggests speed cameras reduce the road toll

http://rti.cabinet.qld.gov.au/documents/2011/apr/inquiry%20into%20fixed%20speed%20cameras/Attachments/Economic%20committee%20report%20no%204.pdf

BTW. Your a funny bastard. 
I've been here since 2006 and my post count is double yours

Well I was just going by your forum profile which says you joined in August 2010 and that was your first post (you now have two).  What am I missing?

KB

[Swannie]

now I'm just confused!!!

swannie

[skegbudley]

So just another government conspiracy then 

Do you have a link?  As it is a govenment committee and report it should be publicly available.  I found a lot of that committee's reports online but not the one you refer to.  All I could find was the below and it suggests speed cameras reduce the road toll

http://rti.cabinet.qld.gov.au/documents/2011/apr/inquiry%20into%20fixed%20speed%20cameras/Attachments/Economic%20committee%20report%20no%204.pdf

Well I was just going by your forum profile which says you joined in August 2010 and that was your first post (you now have two).  What am I missing?

KB

The report was tabled in parliament and is most likely not going to be released to the public any time soon. 
You could imagine the public backlash.
I approached ACA and today tonight about it but they are not allowed to report it due to the embargo.


As for my profile.  The mods might be playing games again.  One of them recently deleted about 2000 of my posts including a lot of tech that I had written about replacing the head on ZD30s. They are aware I'm pissed about it and don't give a rats that so much technical information was deleted because they were using us for a "social experiment"
For the record I joined in June2006 and my post count is over 10,000.

[skegbudley]

now I'm just confused!!!

swannie

In always confused.  Join the club.

[UIZ733]

As for my profile.  The mods might be playing games again.  One of them recently deleted about 2000 of my posts including a lot of tech that I had written about replacing the head on ZD30s. They are aware I'm pissed about it and don't give a rats that so much technical information was deleted because they were using us for a "social experiment"
For the record I joined in June2006 and my post count is over 10,000.

Dot painting comes to mind.

[KingBilly]

The report was tabled in parliament and is most likely not going to be released to the public any time soon. 
You could imagine the public backlash.
I approached ACA and today tonight about it but they are not allowed to report it due to the embargo

Mate not sure what you are on about but if the report was tabled in Parliament, as you state, it would be publicly available.  If it was only a Cabinet document then there are certain restrictions on public access to some Cabinet documents and discussions.  But the Travel Safe Committee is not Cabinet and is not subject to those Canbinet exceptions.  From what I could find all of their reports are available online but I couldn't find the one you are referring to.

https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/work-of-committees/former-committees/TSAFE

As for my profile.  The mods might be playing games again.  One of them recently deleted about 2000 of my posts including a lot of tech that I had written about replacing the head on ZD30s. They are aware I'm pissed about it and don't give a rats that so much technical information was deleted because they were using us for a "social experiment"
For the record I joined in June2006 and my post count is over 10,000.

So now there is also a conspiracy with the myswag moderators.  You have got to be kidding me?  The mods are conducting "social experiments".  Bahahahahaha

So if you had 10,000 posts and the mods deleted 2,000' where have the other 8,000 gone?

Have you always had the forum name of "skegbudley" or have you recently changed forum names?

KB

[KingBilly]

For the record I joined in June2006

I just checked the members list and Brett, the owner of myswag, was the first member and he joined on 17 May 2007.  Are you sure you are on the right forum 

KB

[D4D]

As for my profile.  The mods might be playing games again.  One of them recently deleted about 2000 of my posts including a lot of tech that I had written about replacing the head on ZD30s. They are aware I'm pissed about it and don't give a rats that so much technical information was deleted because they were using us for a "social experiment"
For the record I joined in June2006 and my post count is over 10,000.

I think you're mistaken...

[skegbudley]

Rofl.  I just realised what happened.
Tapatalk tripped out and switched into myswag from patrol4x4.com. I didn't realise I was posting here.
The info I posted is still current.  I worked in the road research laboratory at the Queensland university of technology for many years so I got to see a lot of stuff that the general public doesn't.

[KingBilly]

Rofl.  I just realised what happened.
Tapatalk tripped out and switched into myswag from patrol4x4.com. I didn't realise I was posting here.
The info I posted is still current.  I worked in the road research laboratory at the Queensland university of technology for many years so I got to see a lot of stuff that the general public doesn't.

So you should have a link to the public document you refer to.  Please post

KB

[BaseCamp]

I approached ACA and today tonight about it but they are not allowed to report it due to the embargo.

re: this bit - I would be interested in reading any of the ACA etc rejection emails/correspondence you may have received; that may lend support to your allegations regarding Govt conspiracies and "embargoes"... .     

Do you have anything specific in writing about these matters; or was it just a "click" on the phone: when ACA etc dismissively hung up on you??

Why not try Julian Asange's (sp?) mob for revelation?

[skegbudley]

So you should have a link to the public document you refer to.  Please post

KB

It's not a public document.  You don't have access to such sensitive information.
You would have to apply for it under the freedom to information act.

[dazzler]

Rofl.  I just realised what happened.
Tapatalk tripped out and switched into myswag from patrol4x4.com. I didn't realise I was posting here.
The info I posted is still current.  I worked in the road research laboratory at the Queensland university of technology for many years so I got to see a lot of stuff that the general public doesn't.

Amazing how different your work for them revealed compared to those of us on here, and there are a few btw,  who actually worked as unbiased professional, dedicated accident investigators. Those of us who applied the exact same methodology and digilence as a murder investigation.

 I know of no investigator who would support you in any way nor your less than 1% speed influence on serious collisions.

Virtually every one will tell you that three things are virtually always present.
1. Speed above the posted limit
2. Alcohol
3. Fatigue / lack of concentration.

Most fatals have two of these present at the time.  But he'll, maybe we are pawns in some conspiracy and the chip implants tell us what to do.

Tell you what. Have some balls and next time you see a fatal accident go and tell the investigators they are part of a conspiracy. Film the response for us.

Also. Why not Specify exactly what your position was with the research unit, your qualifications and specific research.


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[skegbudley]

re: this bit - I would be interested in reading any of the ACA etc rejection emails/correspondence you may have received; that may lend support to your allegations regarding Govt conspiracies and "embargoes"... .     

Do you have anything specific in writing about these matters; or was it just a "click" on the phone: when ACA etc dismissively hung up on you??

Why not try Julian Asange's (sp?) mob for revelation?

Yes they hung up on me after telling me what the story was why they weren't allowed to report on it.

There is a heap of things that the news is not allowed to report on. Gateway bridge suicides for example.  It has the highest suicide rate of any bridge in the southern hemisphere but the general public will never read about it.

[KingBilly]

Rofl.  I just realised what happened.
Tapatalk tripped out and switched into myswag from patrol4x4.com. I didn't realise I was posting here.
The info I posted is still current.  I worked in the road research laboratory at the Queensland university of technology for many years so I got to see a lot of stuff that the general public doesn't.

Actually it is called The Centre for Accident Research and Road Safety – Queensland (CARRS-Q) but I guess you would know that  . OK, here's a paper from CAARS-Q who you supposedly worked for, which says that in 2011, 17.8% of fatalities in Qld involved speeding.  A bit more than your 0.85%.  Or is QUT also part of your conspiracy?

http://www.carrsq.qut.edu.au/publications/corporate/speeding_fs.pdf

KB