Author Topic: Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW (Read 91616 times)

rags · « **Reply #25 on:** March 04, 2015, 07:46:47 PM »

Quote from: jetcrew on March 04, 2015, 07:42:03 PM

So this body who gave it the all clear ..what becomes of them do they get a "please explain".

I see your point regarding risking my own life vs others ..as a rule I don't allow kids around gas at any stage ..even the cook top at home ..when its on kids are not allowed in kitchen ..same same out camping ..but I take your point on board and will be extra careful to not allow innocent parties to be anywhere near it.

Jet

the approval bodies get audited periodically

edz · « **Reply #26 on:** March 04, 2015, 07:49:18 PM »

So much for this logo on the units then ... Wonder how many have exploded from proper use by people that have read the operating instructions ..

jkwpajero · « **Reply #27 on:** March 04, 2015, 07:51:56 PM »

Mine is a Primus one and it's a step up from the real cheap ones. It is only used to boil up the kettle when we have a brew stop, so I'll just keep using it. I bought it in Boulia, so I am not taking it back for a refund

The outcome of this will be interesting.

James

jetcrew · « **Reply #28 on:** March 04, 2015, 07:56:53 PM »

Quote from: rags on March 04, 2015, 07:46:47 PM

the approval bodies get audited periodically

As a layman then i would respectfully argue not periodically enough.... I have no faith in these bodies or departments.

Not attacking your industry or trade mate

Elec is no better when I see inverters with foreign plugs and adaptors on them.

the AGA or whoever made X $$$ to put that sticker on, has egg on their face IMHO and I think now even the idiots who used the device incorrectly and hurt themselves will now have a good QC get them a decent refund on their purchase and a few damages to boot.

But the rest us just get "throw it out" Yeah right ..good one Fair Trading and NSW GOVT.

Jet

Symon · « **Reply #29 on:** March 04, 2015, 08:13:51 PM »

Quote from: GeoffA on March 04, 2015, 07:37:47 PM

Would they be OK if fitted with a rated shackle???.....

There is always one

Quote from: Old Bugger on March 04, 2015, 07:42:52 PM

This is crazy! These cookers have been on the Australian market for many years, with the necessary gas compliance sticker attached. What's changed?
If an oversized pan is used, the gas cartridge will get very hot and go bang and your trailer will be covered in spag bol or whatever.
Make of it what you will but I will continue to use ours as required. A shut off valve shuts off or it doesn't. Not too hard to see the difference.

Cheers,Ray

Did you see the video? If you just get spag bol sprayed around then you are lucky, it is more likely you will get seriously injured or worse.

koshari · « **Reply #30 on:** March 04, 2015, 08:40:10 PM »

I have seen people using these cookers inside busy korean resturaunts. By the dozen mind you.

scarpsD40 · « **Reply #31 on:** March 04, 2015, 09:10:34 PM »

Quote from: GeoffA on March 04, 2015, 07:37:47 PM

Would they be OK if fitted with a rated shackle???.....

I've heard that the problem only relates to chinese copy Butane cookers.

AdrianLR · « **Reply #32 on:** March 04, 2015, 09:25:14 PM »

We have a couple of singles and a double. Very handy but I've always been very careful to seat the canister properly. First hand experience of what happen when you don't but that's a different issue to the recall.

Thinking laterally, there's a HUGE market for an alternative. Government pays for the marketing by default, you just add the byline - Safe, Convenient, Dependable (& Made in Australia???) Who's in?

GeoffA · « **Reply #33 on:** March 04, 2015, 09:27:06 PM »

Quote from: AdrianLR on March 04, 2015, 09:25:14 PM

........ (& Made in Australia???) ....

By who??...... (or should that be whom?)....

AdrianLR · « **Reply #34 on:** March 04, 2015, 09:35:11 PM »

Quote from: GeoffA on March 04, 2015, 09:27:06 PM

By who??...... (or should that be whom?)....

by the same crowd who make the shackles.

xcvator · « **Reply #35 on:** March 04, 2015, 09:41:51 PM »

This seems a bit strange to me, the shutoff valve in my stove DISCONNECTS the gas cannister from the stove, so if there was a problem it would be with the gas cannister and not the stove

Team Evil · « **Reply #36 on:** March 05, 2015, 05:49:27 AM »

Up to 31 models of butane gas cookers have been withdrawn from sale as they do not meet Australian Standards. Retailers in NSW should no longer be stocking or selling these products

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page[/url]

Just saw as a sticky above..

Bill · « **Reply #37 on:** March 05, 2015, 05:54:41 AM »

We pulled all ours at work last week.
As far as I understood from the memo the problem begins when people use large enough pans to cover the butane canister. That forces the heat back onto the canister which can not be a good idea at all.
The instructions clearly state not to do this.
I never even knew there was a problem until we got the memo.
Bill

griz066 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 05, 2015, 06:04:15 AM »

I have a few of these and have never had a problem.
Link here

GGV8Cruza · « **Reply #39 on:** March 05, 2015, 06:16:12 AM »

Have been combining all the threads about this into one to keep it it one place

GG

GeoffA · « **Reply #40 on:** March 05, 2015, 06:32:48 AM »

Quote from: AdrianLR on March 04, 2015, 09:35:11 PM

by the same crowd who make the shackles.

dales133 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 05, 2015, 07:01:22 AM »

I got 2 of the companion stainless ones at the show, are they ok

weeds · « **Reply #42 on:** March 05, 2015, 07:30:45 AM »

Quote from: edz on March 04, 2015, 07:49:18 PM

So much for this logo on the units then ... Wonder how many have exploded from proper use by people that have read the operating instructions ..

Type A approval forays produced items.

I know for Type B (specialist gas appliance) approval it's quite involved.

I only just brought one of these cookers, never used one prior, didn't read the instructions and managed to make liquid propane or what ever it is come out.

I got my value out of it on one trip, will continue to use as there must be 100 000's of these out there.

I would like to see the actual statistics on issues with them.

tk421 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 05, 2015, 07:33:22 AM »

This was posted on the ironman 4x4 facebook page. Seems it's stems from idiots not reading the instructions. Some used one without turning the trivet over, and then used a large pan. Heat the was deflected into the canister and it blew up

4wd26 · « **Reply #44 on:** March 05, 2015, 07:34:40 AM »

I'm wondering if at any time these have been compliant and costs have been cut through time?

mine is nearing- actually just worked it out has to be over 15 years old.

or is it the fundamental design

Ratbag · « **Reply #45 on:** March 05, 2015, 07:42:48 AM »

Personally, I have looked at a number of these. Nearly bought one on several occasions, but always had nagging doubts about the design.

Then decided to spend $30 each on two gas fuses for my two ordinary gas bottles. Wonderful invention, the gas "fuse". My Coleman two burner is about 50 y.o. and still works perfectly.

LPG is bloody dangerous, but as any weldor trained with acetylene will tell you, it's not as dangerous as acetylene. Crikey, the gas appliances in many of our homes are very dangerous too. They need to be serviced every couple of years, specially central heating units.

Ratbag · « **Reply #46 on:** March 05, 2015, 08:00:04 AM »

Quote from: dales133 on March 05, 2015, 07:01:22 AM

I got 2 of the companion stainless ones at the show, are they ok

Gidday Dales

From my reading, the design is inherently dangerous. While failing to do as the instructions say is patently dangerous, it is also very bad design to have the gas source so close to heat and a source of ignition.

When our gas kiln was installed, the inspector at Supagas inspected it when he delivered the two 45L bottles and required us to move a waste water drain grate a minimum of 500mm further away from where the bottles were (the position of the bottles could not be changed as they either have to be about 2-3m from the kiln, or on the other side of a fireproof wall - steel cladding doesn't count), and to change the slope so that the concrete between the grate and the bottles sloped away from the drain and grate towards the gas bottles. As he pointed out, if the bottles were to leak for any reason, the LPG would fill the storm water drain. Somebody three houses away lights up a fag and half the houses in this part of our street would disappear!

It cost us $1,500 to have the concrete cut, remove drain, replace drain about a metre away, re-lay concrete and paving. Better that than us all going into low earth orbit ....

Flammable gas is always bloody dangerous stuff, mate!

xcvator · « **Reply #47 on:** March 05, 2015, 08:20:23 AM »

Funny that when the first double burner butane stoves came out there were several blow ups, and they were attributed to hot plates extending over the butane cannisters, and relevant warnings were issued by the gas authorities.
So for me this poses a couple of questions
1/ why wasn't there a recall 5 or 6 years ago when there were several explosions
2/ How was the testing done
3/ Who asked for the testing to be done and do they have a vested interest in having the existing products recalled ie; have a replacement product waiting in the wings

or am I just being cynical

Bird · « **Reply #48 on:** March 05, 2015, 08:32:34 AM »

I've used mine that I've had for several years, and never had an issue.. I'll keep using it..

GregS · « **Reply #49 on:** March 05, 2015, 08:38:04 AM »

Morning all, my better half was on Facebook this morning and found this, anyone know about it?

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2015_media_releases/20150304_public_warning_on_portable_butane.page

Cheers

Greg

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