Glenn mcgrath shooting.....shock horror

[KingBilly]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10155093241270324

[briann532]

I grew up in Zimbabwe and am no stranger to both ends of a rifle.

Killing animals can be easy for some and abhorrent for others.
Sometimes there is reason, sometimes there isn't.

The only thing I know for certain in this instant is that the media is SELLING a story.
We usually only get half the facts or insinuations at best.
We may never know the true facts and it is not our place to judge them anyway.
Surely the knob who risks peoples lives by drink driving is far worse than Glenn paying a legal organisation in a country where it is legal where we don't know the surrounding facts.

There has been some rigorous debate and opinion and while that can be healthy I think we can all agree that regardless of right or wrong what he did was legal and this should not in any way deter from the Mcgrath foundation.

=Classic]http://shoppink.mcgrathfoundation.com.au/prodetail.asp?proid=70948&tags[]=Classic

I think we should all by at least 2 x stubby coolers for our campers and donate what we can to this VERY worthy cause.

"To Jane"

Remember there are far more important things to worry about most of the time.
Cheers
Brian

[baldheadedgit]

I'm not a drinker so i bought the Cap.!

[Wrex]

Regarding the title of this thread,

As a Paramedic I see some Shocking stuff from time to time.
In the real world this is not exactly shocking, far from it.

[time]

I grew up in Zimbabwe and am no stranger to both ends of a rifle.

Killing animals can be easy for some and abhorrent for others.
Sometimes there is reason, sometimes there isn't.

The only thing I know for certain in this instant is that the media is SELLING a story.
We usually only get half the facts or insinuations at best.
We may never know the true facts and it is not our place to judge them anyway.
Surely the knob who risks peoples lives by drink driving is far worse than Glenn paying a legal organisation in a country where it is legal where we don't know the surrounding facts.

There has been some rigorous debate and opinion and while that can be healthy I think we can all agree that regardless of right or wrong what he did was legal and this should not in any way deter from the Mcgrath foundation.

=Classic]http://shoppink.mcgrathfoundation.com.au/prodetail.asp?proid=70948&tags[]=Classic

I think we should all by at least 2 x stubby coolers for our campers and donate what we can to this VERY worthy cause.

"To Jane"

Remember there are far more important things to worry about most of the time.
Cheers
Brian

Well said.

[Ratbag]

Gratuitously killing any other living creature should never be regarded as trivial - be it a mouse, an elephant or a cockroach ...

Just IMNSHO.

[Bird]

You gibberer - give yourself an upper cut.  That tone is not helpful to the discussion

You mean that's not what you wanted to hear..
what you want a 1 sided argument only?

[koshari]

Typical beat up again on law abiding hunters and gun owners.

Why is there less of an issue made when PEOPLE are murded by CRIMINALS  with ILLEGAL guns.

I dont think there is. Surely you recall the saturation media coverage recently when a gunman took hostages in a cafe?

[Jeepers Creepers]

This is like a pushbike VS cars thread, but with loaded weapons......

[Moggy]

Glenn McGrath, Brett Lee, what about Roy, Matty Hayden. There was a lot  of shooters around in those days
This rant could go on for ever

I'm dissapointed that Paul Reiffel wasnt there.

Great headline

"McGarth goes hunting elephants with Reiffel"     

[Rumpig]

I'm dissapointed that Paul Reiffel wasnt there.

Great headline

"McGarth goes hunting elephants with Reiffel"     

pisser

[oldmate]

Lmao

He may of had some of those old Pakistani players with him??
Washeacrim and neverbeenbehindbars

[speewa158]

Dam it they had to die at 1 stage or another , & they were to big to sit in a car .

[4wd26]

wow ..take chill pill mate ..comments like yours only serve to have these threads closed ..More than happy to hear your side/interpretation/beliefs on the matter and it is equally as valid as mine but maybe the delivery needs to be adjusted..  just a bit 

I will look past the tone and respond to the content, as I am sure it is the content that is more important to the discussion,

you may well be spot on in regards to countries managing their animal levels and doing it well etc, However this issue is not about the management practices or legality of the issue..its centred squarely against public perception, and perception weather right or wrong can equal fact.

If the picture was of him smoking pot in Amsterdam..equally as legal ..it would bring with it a level of criticism

He is a public figure who has courted the media through his very profitable career so he must know that even though it may be legal the consensus of many people may be that it is unacceptable from a high profile Australian. 

In relation to putting more value on one animal over another , I guess that just comes down to individual perceptions and beliefs, I value the lives of some animals over some humans and would happily see plenty of people be traded for the lives of some our endangered species. But that's just me..

This is not a debate about about legality ..because the facts support the case that he was entitled and lawfully authorised to do what he did. So no hiding that fact. 

Its debate about public perception and expectation.. and I am sure as his agent is advising him right now, he will try and play both sides of the coin ..as is evident by his very wishy washy statement.

You think his actions were fine ..then all good thats your right , I think he is weak as , 1 for doing it ..but 2 not for either backing his decision or making a full retarction and apology..you cant have it both ways...

Your response was prob a better starting point for his statement than his was ..If all the things you have mentioned are the facts of the situation, then he should just be transparent about the company he hunted with, their practices, what the meat was used for , how the animal was selected , why this particular animal was selected etc etc, coming out with a "hard time in my life " comment is just weak.

I for one would be happy to reconsider my point of view on the action undertaken if evidence to support the case is provided.. until then its just weak as.

The response will always remain very weak but the actions may be better explained with some of your evidence.

Jet

Sorry also add that dingoes comments on prev page are also very valid points that could be used to give clarity around the actions.. you guys should offer to help his agent as they are doing a pretty poor job of managing the public's perception of the issue right now.


Jet

I thought it worth pointing out that you can indeed pose 2 sides of the story

you can have "enjoyed" shooting an elephant (for want of a better word) 8 years ago.

an now have regret for the same.

surely a person can have a change in heart over time.

Ok he may appear to be having a bet each ways- but he did the act- no denying that

BUT
 maybe mates getting together and organising something as mates should/ would in Australia and instead of going out on the boat for a fish, went to Africa.


Now to put that into perspective for a coastal dweller

Maybe 20 years ago you went out and caught a Marlin- weighted it and hung it on a wall

Now days that would be considered not done- but it was and still is legal as far as I know

At the time you were proud- the great white hunter


things in society change

we now see things way different to 8 years ago- I hate to say it but mostly media driven
I'm going to leave shooting elephants alone, and also sea kittens, couldn't hurt one of those.

http://features.peta.org/PETASeaKittens/

look out you don't have any pics of a sea kitten being tortured, because you just never know whether that is acceptable in 8 years time 

[Ngatioka]

Why did the main stream media even pick this up? Is it because he is Glenn McGrath? Also with Brett Lee being dragged in kicking and screaming. I suppose that they will next be complaining about the kids being in the photo's as well?

There are hundreds/thousands of hunters who travel to Africa and pay big money to hunt in the Safari Parks. This money goes into the economy of the country that person is in. Management of the animals is conducted by the park so that they don't have over grazing and the best genes are used for the maintenance of the herds. Are there photos plastered across the media?

Nothing is wasted. The skin is taken off the animal and once cured goes back to the hunters country for mounting by a taxidermist there most of the times. The meat goes to the workers at the Safari Park for their families to eat, that is the tracker's and other workers.

What about here in Australia. These same people who bleat about hunting in state parks where the laws are different in each state, also go on about peoples rights and the legality of detention centre's for asylum seekers? After todays report from the Federal Government I don't have to say anymore on that.

[Homer_Jay]

I dont think there is. Surely you recall the saturation media coverage recently when a gunman took hostages in a cafe?

Nah mate, that was terrorism.... One of the media's favorite subjects.

How many times lately do you turn on the morning news to hear that someone has been shot or stabbed (usually Sydney area, but we have our fair share lately around Brisbane). There is nothing more than a 15 second grab. Nowhere near the beat up this has received. Hence my comment.

[loanrangie]

No ****ing responsible hunter would kill an elephant. They are endangered.  Full stop. None of the animals shot were for eating.  As an responsible human I'm going to smoke some grass now and you can go **** yourself

Although its not something i wanted to do when i went to Africa its not as simple as saying dont do it, its heavily controlled and you pay a huge price tag to shoot large game.
 The money goes to conservation and quite often is part of a controlled cull to keep numbers at a environmentally viable level.

[tk421]

I'm not bleeding heart liberal/greenie, I used to own guns and shoot. I'm an ex-Zambian with many friends who make still live there and some who make a living from hunting/conservation in Zambia.

It was an extremely silly decision by McGrath to do it and for him to support the wholesale slaughter that has been going on in Zimbabwe.  Since 2007 there has been a drop of 41,536 elephants in Zimbabwe.

There has been some comment on here about the animal not going to waste, money back into conservation etc. That it was old/rogue/overpopulated but I doubt that is the case. Game management areas have been taken over and they are selling off licences to the highest bidder. Any money will have gone into the pockets of the owners.  You are forgetting this is a country that is now the 2nd poorest on the earth where the average person lives on 35c a day and people are starving. Corruption there is rampant they will do anything for money whilst the ruling elite continue their excesses.

Mugabe is about to have his birthday party -  costing $1m+ which all teachers in the country have been forced to pay $10 towards it.   On his birthday menu: Five impalas will be roasted, two sables, two buffaloes, two elephants, and after these a lion will be butchered and served up, followed by a cake predicted to weigh 200lb.

There's no conservation or controlled hunting there at all.  Since 2003 there have been documented mass migrations of elephants into Zambia to escape the killing in Zimbabwe.   In 2013 poachers put cyanide in the water holes and killed 300 elephants, then the lions/hyenas and other animals that fed on them, and then all the other animals using the waterholes. January this year in Hwange they're about to sell 62 baby elephants @$60,000 each to France, the UAE and China. They got them after shooting to scare off the mothers, leaving the calves behind. One calf has already died, so they just went and got another one.
 
I'd wager that the someone paid someone some money and an animal was shot whether it was old/rogue/overpopulated or not.  And I doubt there is unlikely to have been any thing given back to the local community.

Stupid decision by him ethically irrespective of the media beat up.

[KingBilly]

^^^^^^^ 

KB

[koshari]

Mugabe is about to have his birthday party - 

wonder what i should get him???

[briann532]

wonder what i should get him???

I've got a good idea.................

 

[Elky]

I am not into hunting or hurting animals, so I can't see the enjoyment one gets from it, but we are all different I guess

I would be more impressed if you shoot something with a bow and arrow and take it down! Not really that hard with a gun and very one sided!

Maybe we could invest in a scheme to cull the feral pigs that live up the cape, they are doing untold damage unabated, but shooting a pig is prolly not the adrenalin seekers high I suspect

What's next week social media beat up gonna be?

[Bill]

I am not into hunting or hurting animals, so I can't see the enjoyment one gets from it, but we are all different I guess

I would be more impressed if you shoot something with a bow and arrow and take it down! Not really that hard with a gun and very one sided!

Maybe we could invest in a scheme to cull the feral pigs that live up the cape, they are doing untold damage unabated, but shooting a pig is prolly not the adrenalin seekers high I suspect

What's next week social media beat up gonna be?

Im a bow hunter and have been for over 30 years.
Most bowhunters (including myself) enjoy hunting pigs.
Personally I have tried every legal avenue to get pig hunting allowed up the Cape with absolutly no success.
I spent 1 full year phoning, mailing and emailing anyone and everyone that I thought could, would or might help. I had no luck whatsoever.
Bill

[fuji]

Good on ya Glenn!

[moose2367]

Im a bow hunter and have been for over 30 years.
Most bowhunters (including myself) enjoy hunting pigs.
Personally I have tried every legal avenue to get pig hunting allowed up the Cape with absolutly no success.
I spent 1 full year phoning, mailing and emailing anyone and everyone that I thought could, would or might help. I had no luck whatsoever.
Bill

There is heaps of bowhunting pigs in the Cape, it's all about access to private property.

If you're talking about public land, which I think should be allowed, happens in other states with no problem and all over the USA, then if they allow it in the cape, they will have to all over Qld, which they unfortunately don't want.