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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2015, 09:47:42 AM »
#?ImStickingWithTony?

* He's scrapped the Carbon Tax
* He's stopped the boats - and the deaths at sea.
* He got rid of the Mining Tax - so Australia is once more seen as a safe place to invest.
* He has over $1 trillion worth of new projects approved, projects that had been held up by Labor.
* He has new road projects now underway to overcome commuter gridlock in our cities.
* After 50 years of buck passing, he's made a decision on a new Western Sydney Airport.
* He's delivered a trifecta of free trade agreements covering more than 50 per cent of our exports – with China, Japan and South Korea.
* He has the live cattle trade - closed down by the ALP in panic over a TV program - booming again.
* At last, he has the NBN is rolling out, widely, reliably and affordably.
* He has Jobs growth running at 4,000 new jobs a week - triple that of 2013
* He has new housing approvals at record levels - creating a boom for tradies.
* He has the registration of new companies at the highest on record.
* He has Economic growth now running at 2.7 per cent, up from 1.9 per cent a year ago.
* He's cracking down on the likes of Hizb-ut-Tahrir and others who nurture Islamic extremism in our suburbs.
* For small business, he's cutting company tax by 1.5% on the 1st July to encourage further employment growth.
* And right now LNP policies have home loan interest rates at the lowest on record, and the September quarter had the biggest fall in power prices on record.

Therefore, even if he'd given a knighthood to Camilla, and despite the lamestream media beat-up
 - I'm sticking with Tony !


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None of this counts. The journalists/press think his ears are too big and he wears speedo's. Isn't that more importanat than what he's acheived?

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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2015, 10:50:11 AM »



everyone is entitled to their opinion/belief, but no-one is entitled to mock. 

that type of freedom is what makes this country great.

The second statement contradicts the first.

You can mock as much as you like in a democracy.
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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2015, 10:55:12 AM »
The second statement contradicts the first.

You can mock as much as you like in a democracy.

no it doesn't.

you can debate, but mocking or belittling someone, based on their opinion/belief, is a totally different thing.

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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2015, 11:03:04 AM »
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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2015, 11:12:06 AM »
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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2015, 11:30:49 AM »
Doubly watching.

Who says there are no space fairies. ;D

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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2015, 11:34:30 AM »
I find it interesting that when Labor were going through their leadership machinations, they were described as unworthy rabble. But now that the Libs are going through  similar machinations, without any overt challenge - i.e., self inflicted by the PM's behaviour and contradictory statements, it's all a media beat up!

I don't think the media scrutiny on the LNP has come close to that of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd.  It should be noted too, that Gillard got most of her legislation though a hung and hostile parliament.

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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2015, 11:50:56 AM »
^ 69 to 31 looks pretty convincing to me. And that was just to defeat the spill motion. i.e. There was no spill ...

Apart from a few disgruntled LNP MoP, the entirety of the hyperbole appears to have been manufactured by the media. This looks to be a quite different from a situation where there were two "successful executions" ... Ugly stuff, that.

However, it is still conduct unbecoming all round IMNSHO, specially on the part of the media ...
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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2015, 01:04:25 PM »

no it doesn't.

you can debate, but mocking or belittling someone, based on their opinion/belief, is a totally different thing.

Example;

If someone says they believe a person flew to the moon on a winged horse and clove the moon in half and that person wrote a divine book and they tell me how to live based on this book then they deserve to be mocked.

A great big, thumbs in Jean pockets, leaning back BWAHSHAHAHAH mocking is quite in order.

If someone tells me I cannot marry a person of the same sex because of another book, similarly inspired with talking snakes and giant ships full of animals sailing a flooded world filled with the corpses of sinful babies then once again they deserve a good mocking in a secular society.

If I tell someone the earth is flat and we need to stand on one leg to keep it level I would expect to be pointed at and made to look stupid.

Those who don't tell others how to live based on these things have no fear of mocking but a polite hello to you sir and enjoy remains of the day.



NB. I was referring to Narnia, lord of the rings and pirates of the Caribbean.
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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2015, 01:17:37 PM »
Example;

If someone says they believe a person flew to the moon on a winged horse and clove the moon in half and that person wrote a divine book and they tell me how to live based on this book then they deserve to be mocked.

A great big, thumbs in Jean pockets, leaning back BWAHSHAHAHAH mocking is quite in order.

If someone tells me I cannot marry a person of the same sex because of another book, similarly inspired with talking snakes and giant ships full of animals sailing a flooded world filled with the corpses of sinful babies then once again they deserve a good mocking in a secular society.

If I tell someone the earth is flat and we need to stand on one leg to keep it level I would expect to be pointed at and made to look stupid.

Those who don't tell others how to live based on these things have no fear of mocking but a polite hello to you sir and enjoy remains of the day.



NB. I was referring to Narnia, lord of the rings and pirates of the Caribbean.

agree with you totally on the 'telling people what they should or should not be doing, based on their own belief' angle.

i try not to do that.  i certainly am not perfect.

but we live in a world where just because you have that belief, makes you a target for ridicule, much like the ridicule that tony abbot received for having the 'gall' to stand up for what he believes in. he didn't try and force it on society, but that didn't stop some from having an unfair crack.

it's one thing to have a belief, but a totally different thing to force it on others.

on that we agree totally... :)

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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2015, 01:25:55 PM »
I'LL LOOK AFTER YOU
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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2015, 01:30:45 PM »
I'LL LOOK AFTER YOU
AFTER I LOOK AFTER ME


Got that 1 wrong me thinks.
It should read as follows...

I'LL LOOK AFTER YOU
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I'LL LOOK AFTER
umm
AFTER YOU

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AFTER
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I LOOK AFTER ME
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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2015, 01:37:41 PM »
You got it Dave

actually a quote from a great man  John Schumann

bit of a lib bash here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIxOcIyedyo

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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2015, 01:54:24 PM »
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I'LL LOOK AFTER YOU
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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2015, 01:58:47 PM »
we should stand up to it

but don't follow me i'm going fishing

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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2015, 02:44:36 PM »
Today’s motion was a vote of no confidence from almost 40% of the Prime Minister’s own caucus. 

Tony Abbott to Julia Gillard in Parliament on Monday, February 27, 2012:

“My question is to the Prime Minister”. “Given that one-third of her parliamentary colleagues and a quarter of her cabinet colleagues have today expressed their lack of confidence in her, how can she claim to have a mandate to continue as Prime Minister?”

"How can the Prime Minister claim to be leading a united team when the former Prime Minister and the former foreign minister said that the Prime Minister had ‘lost the trust of the Australian people’ and 31 of her caucus colleagues backed the former Prime Minister?”



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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2015, 04:51:59 PM »
Today’s motion was a vote of no confidence from almost 40% of the Prime Minister’s own caucus. 

Tony Abbott to Julia Gillard in Parliament on Monday, February 27, 2012:

“My question is to the Prime Minister”. “Given that one-third of her parliamentary colleagues and a quarter of her cabinet colleagues have today expressed their lack of confidence in her, how can she claim to have a mandate to continue as Prime Minister?”

"How can the Prime Minister claim to be leading a united team when the former Prime Minister and the former foreign minister said that the Prime Minister had ‘lost the trust of the Australian people’ and 31 of her caucus colleagues backed the former Prime Minister?”
Exactly...we haven't heard the last of this...he's just a fish in a barrel now.
How arrogant is he to think he can recover from this.
It wasn't a victory if you count 40% against him and probably at least another 15 or so that sat on the fence, like him or not it smells alot like the labor they blame the world on

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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2015, 05:46:12 PM »
Interesting to see the outrage at the mild mocking of the space fairy believers ... And to compare it to the comments directed at the Muslims offence at the mocking of their prophet.

Seems outrage / right to freedom of speech somehow depends on which religion is being mocked / by whom.

To my mind to goad anyone who is likely to want to punch you on the nose is at best a questionable strategy.  The nature of human interaction is such that 'unscrambling the egg' ( sectarianism) once large scale offence has occurred is almost impossible.

On the other hand, discussing politics is inevitably healthy in a democracy.

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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2015, 05:48:59 PM »
^ Have to agree, B.

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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2015, 05:55:58 PM »
agree with you totally on the 'telling people what they should or should not be doing, based on their own belief' angle.

i try not to do that.  i certainly am not perfect.

but we live in a world where just because you have that belief, makes you a target for ridicule, much like the ridicule that tony abbot received for having the 'gall' to stand up for what he believes in. he didn't try and force it on society, but that didn't stop some from having an unfair crack.

it's one thing to have a belief, but a totally different thing to force it on others.

on that we agree totally... :)

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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2015, 06:01:21 PM »
Interesting to see the outrage at the mild mocking of the space fairy believers ... And to compare it to the comments directed at the Muslims offence at the mocking of their prophet.

Seems outrage / right to freedom of speech somehow depends on which religion is being mocked / by whom.

To my mind to goad anyone who is likely to want to punch you on the nose is at best a questionable strategy.  The nature of human interaction is such that 'unscrambling the egg' ( sectarianism) once large scale offence has occurred is almost impossible.

On the other hand, discussing politics is inevitably healthy in a democracy.

because in the case i was referring to, it was uncalled for.  an out of the blue comment regarding those of a religious persuasion.

it seems that the 'all are welcome' motto of the forums is sometimes dependant on whether you are religious or not...

just because people profess to be christian, muslim, buddhist or whatever, it doesn't make them a bad person.  their actions/speech towards others dictate that.

not once have i tried to push my beliefs onto any member of the forum.  in fact, i have been up front in saying that no-one has the right to push their beliefs onto anyone.

it's a shame that some feel the need to make comments (space fairy lovers, for example), and then when someone tries to defend themselves against a comment like that, they are then made to feel as an outsider, in a supposed friendly forum.

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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #73 on: February 09, 2015, 06:07:56 PM »


On the other hand, discussing politics is inevitably healthy in a democracy.

Totally agree (respectful arguments of course)

Though I really do think it is high time to openly discuss religion as its impact upon our society is emerging as a huge issue (once again).  We hide behind this thin veil of not wanting to upset someone's feelings based solely on their beliefs.  As our knowledge grows our superstitions are pushed further back.

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Re: Who Will Be Our PM After Monday?
« Reply #74 on: February 09, 2015, 06:08:38 PM »
^ 69 to 31 looks pretty convincing to me. And that was just to defeat the spill motion. i.e. There was no spill ...

It was 61 to 39
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