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home network help.
« on: February 02, 2015, 05:22:07 PM »
Hi guys,
Not something I normally post about, so apologies if in the wrong section.

As I have had and will have quite a bit of time at home not doing anything,  I figured I would try and set up my home network.
That is as far as I got as now I am more confused than before.
I figure if I just list what I have and what I want someone may be able to point me down the right path.

Ok so I have up the front of the house.
Main desktop computer,
Bob2 router with WiFi,
Smart tv
PlayStation 4
New printer/fax/scanner with Ethernet and WiFi.
Main phone point.

Down the other end of the house I have,
A large smart tv (main tv)
4 external hard drives (movies and kids shows etc)
A second smaller smart tv (separate room)
Phone line point which is an extension hard mounted running from the front room.
Router extender thingamajig

What I want to do is have solid WiFi through the house, currently only have strong signal up the front from Bob,  not have to switch between WiFi signals,
Be able to watch movies and internet access through the smart TV's. 
Ideally I want all the movies to be able to play through any TV without having to move hard drives.
Be able to access music via Pandora off the main computer in the lounge room.
( i know I need something to plug into the Hi-Fi)

I'm lost guys, I'm thinking I need a server, but also no idea how to maintain a strong WiFi signal through the house.

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Re: home network help.
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2015, 06:00:14 PM »
If it were me and the budget allowed, I would strongly consider getting some cat5e cable run throughout the house.

This would allow for the installation of a central server and a wdtv live box at each tv.

To give you an idea, I have a small hp microserver running with 6tb of space with all of our movies, tv shows and music served to two wdtv live boxes.

This would also allow for the disposal of the external hard drives...

Just a thought...

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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2015, 06:04:59 PM »
Hi Mate

Depends if you want to spend any money - but you can just get another wireless access point, and put it in Bridge mode.
It then becomes part of the Bob2 network, and will generally extend the range.

The other thing you need to consider, is whether the Bob2 has enough IP addresses.  There's not real limit (254 per subnet) - but sometimes they are setup with 10, other times more - just depends.  I'm not familiar with the Bob - but I know of them.

You could also just grab an old PC, and put a linux disty on it to run as the media centre - connect all the HDD's to it, and the pandora apps - then stream to all the other devices via wifi.

And finally - if you like apple stuff - an Apple TV will do most of that stuff for you as well (still need to extend the range though).

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Re: home network help.
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2015, 06:21:18 PM »
Evo, In my place I have the wifi Modem/router central in the house, it is in the linen closet, I have a phone line in the linen closet for it, and use a power point in the ceiling directly above the closet for the ducted heater, to power the modem. My home is a normal modern 4 bedroom brick home, I get good coverage all over the house without needing an extender. We have Apple TV connected to the wifi,a telstra Tbox, network printer, smart tv and numerous apple devices including a Mac, the streaming works really well, the router is nothing flash, just the original one Telstra gave us years ago when we got ADSL2.  Regarding the external hardrives we just do it old school and plug them into the front of the TBox ( or the tv for that matter ) when we want to watch something off one. Not over complicating it works for us :)
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Re: home network help.
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2015, 06:59:07 PM »
If you are going to stream video through to your TV's, forget about doing it through wireless.

Get a cable installed from one end of the house to the other, use it to link up both ends of the house.
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2015, 07:08:12 PM »
This shouldn't cause too much trouble. What OS is your desktop?  You can just use that as the server by plugging in the hard drives to that and sharing across the network. Your have to have the desktop turned on though. If your TVs are UPnP then they should just see the drives, same for the PlayStation. Otherwise WDTV boxes plugged into the network see and play pretty much everything

If you make the access wireless point have the same SSID (name) and credentials as the BOB you shouldn't have to swap between networks

An alternative to rewiring the house with cat5 you could use a powerline adaptor to get the network to the other parts of the house relativley cheaply. Plug the router into one and then have the others by each tv.
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2015, 07:31:08 PM »
Running cat 5 cable is the best and fast speed way.

You may be able to run one cable and use your
"Router extender thingamajig "..
 to wireless the rest of the house.

Get an experienced mate to check your gear out...
 

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Re: home network help.
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2015, 07:39:52 PM »
cat 5 is the best way, but the house is a rental....

I've got a wireless range extender you can have if you want evo... just lemme know. takes 20 seconds to setup.
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2015, 09:53:16 PM »
Evo get a N600 wireless router, those Bob2 routers are crap.

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Re: home network help.
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2015, 10:45:08 PM »
Thanks for the insight guys,
I found out the thingamajig I have is a dlink dir632?
I am fairly certain the line that has been run down the other end of the house is cat5 cable.
It is a rental, however being very good mates with the owner, having cables run isn't a problem.  what is upnp? 

A mate up here I was just talking too said to get a nas as a server?  I'm assuming that would mean I don't need to run external hard drives?

The biggest problem I have with the house is the sheer size of it! From the front room to the main living area is down a 15m halfway and it's a double brick house. Plus that's only the length of the hallway. So even when I ran the dlink up the front as the main router is wasn't enough to reach the kitchen.

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Re: home network help.
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2015, 07:20:38 AM »
My opinion:

Network:
Without doubt cat 5e or 6 cables in the wall are going to be your best outcome but in a rental I wouldn't be making that sort of investment.  If there is a cable running the length of the house use it to connect the two routers (ie. ADSL goes into BOB, BOB to Dlink), this should give a pretty good outcome as both your routers are wireless N.

Media:
Buy a NAS and transfer your media onto it and connect it to the network, everyone wshould be able to then access it from the network on the TV's etc.

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2015, 08:58:20 AM »
Just be warned with a NAS drive that many use different achitechure to store files. So if the NAS fails you can't get your files of the drives. Ask me how I know  ???
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2015, 09:58:12 AM »
Just be warned with a NAS drive that many use different achitechure to store files. So if the NAS fails you can't get your files of the drives. Ask me how I know  ???

that's why you have a backup... :)

also, if you use a windows 'raid' configuration, rather than a hardware raid configuration, you can plug the raid drives into another windows box (with the same OS) and recover the raid and the files stored on the raid....

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2015, 10:02:15 AM »
that's why you have a backup... :)

also, if you use a windows 'raid' configuration, rather than a hardware raid configuration, you can plug the raid drives into another windows box (with the same OS) and recover the raid and the files stored on the raid....

Yeah mate I learnt that the hard way. Next will be either a server or a vortex box I think.

tbh I haven't lost anything life threatening just a lot of TV shows that I archived, mostly crap but all the Malcolm Douglas etc I will miss if I can't recover.

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Re: home network help.
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2015, 10:53:48 AM »
Have just setup my home network recently and started from scratch.
Wifi has come a looooong way in the last couple of years. I'm only in a small place but I can stream HD movies from my nas box across wifi to my TV and never skips a frame. Awesome, but the downside is I paid a motza for my router. An Asus DSL-AC68U http://www.asus.com/au/Networking/DSLAC68U/
At the other end of the house I used an Asus EA-N66 http://www.asus.com/Networking/EAN66/ in bridge mode connected to a small 8 port gigabit switch to supply my HTPC stuff (TV, HTPC, NAS, printer)
So far it has worked brilliantly. I can get wifi about 60 meters up the street.
I would seriously consider ditching your external HDD's and go to a NAS. If you have an old PC sitting around you can put a few hard drives into it could be made into a nas easily. Have done it myself and very happy with it. Be aware with 'all in one' nas boxes if they go haywire it can be quite difficult if not impossible to get data back off them so any important data needs to be backed up. I have gone through this with a Netgear NAS that died and along with it all my data. I did a destructive test on my new nas when setting it up and before storing data on it (PC based nas) and am very confident I can retrieve data from it no matter if the pc dies or no more than 1 drive dies at the same time. The operating system I am using on it is very well thought out even to the extent you can plonk the drives into a completely different pc and it will boot up and still have your data. PM me if you want more info.
Realistically if you can run cat5e or cat6 cabling around you will be better off but in a rental it makes it difficult but if you invest in some of the high end wifi stuff you should get by. First thing though I would ditch Bob2. Much better routers out there.
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Re: home network help.
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2015, 10:57:04 AM »
Just be warned with a NAS drive that many use different achitechure to store files. So if the NAS fails you can't get your files of the drives. Ask me how I know  ???


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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2015, 09:58:25 PM »
It's not all that bad using wireless. we have 7X 3 terabyte drives on a central server and 3 of us can stream real time. Needs to be 802.11n though where you can push more bytes through and there are a few settings to help that. I do trunk them on a separate V-Lan the movies to the boys room so general rif-fraf don't interfere.

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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2015, 10:21:15 PM »
Ok, firstly thanks to everyone who replied.
But I'll be honest, I have no passion for this nor the inclination to learn as much knowledge as I will need. Lol I kinda thought it would be simpler, but what I really want and simple don't seem to go hand in hand.
I think I might just buy a few BBQ packs, maybe a few slabs and a bottle of scotch or two and invite all you intelligent swaggers over and just throw money at it until it works lol.
( monopoly money is legal tender isn't it?)

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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2015, 10:47:19 PM »
It doesnt need to be complicated,a combination of wifi and cable is fairly simple to setup.
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2015, 10:31:44 PM »
Hi Evo,

Good luck, plenty of advice given by the boys. Some houses dont have much interference and can stream video through Wifi perfectly fine all day everyday and others just cant handle it so trial and error. If you find performance or coverage is poor, then consider changing Bob to a better wireless device that can support 5Ghz or consider another access point cabled up through cat5 cable or inline power injectors.  You will get much better coverage using a 5Ghz capable device as there is less interference from other peoples wifi, microwaves, cordless phones, bluetooth devices etc. 

I use Plex on a Win 8 workstation and dont find an issue with the Plex client on Samsung TV's or tablets / smart phones, and the DLNA on recent model Panasonic TV's is very quick and stable.

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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2015, 11:15:03 PM »
Another vote for Plex here.

Best option is to run Cat5 from your current router to another (wireless if u want) router at the other end of the house.  This will give you the coverage.

Use your current computer as the server.

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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2015, 12:02:58 AM »
What they said, haha. ;D  good advice on here.
I also run a home built Winserver 12Terra's, wireless N network, mixing wired(cat6) and wireless 2.4/5ghz to everywhere. Including, alarm (wireless), cctv(wired), sonos(wireless), media(wired,wireless).
It is a labor of love to have everything working perfectly, or just put up with a substandard network.  >:D
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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2015, 12:28:25 PM »
I dont know if it'll be helpful but i'll give you a rundown on what i have. Like you i wanted simple but to the uninformed there is nothing simple about home networking.

I have a older highset house. Total length is 14.7m. Brick ground floor walls & FC & cladding upper. Downstairs has at one end my office/guest room. This is where my computer, printer NBN box modem etc is. The other end is a lounge/office for wife (I'm not allowed in apparently) When i was renovating a few years back i ran a cat 5 cable to this area from the NBN/Telstra box as it was originally my office/lounge/cave.

When we got NBN about a year ago & found out the joys of torrent sites looked into streaming.

So to paint the picture computer/modem etc is bottom right & main upstairs TV/Lounge is top left (so couldnt get much further away). To hard to try & run cables upstairs(without ripping sheeting off wall & house is pre 1980 so all FC is actually AC  >:()
I do have the Cat 5 cable to bottom left. I connected my old adsl modem & turned it into a bridge/wireless repeater (if thats what its called) So the bottom left part of the house is well serviced by the fritzbox & billion repeater wi-fi.
The issues really start to happen when trying to get wi-fi upstairs (in places)
I have a Powerline 500mbps EOP (Ethernet over Powerline) connected to my modem, which is a fritzbox 7390. The modem has dual band wi-fi, this operates on 2.4 & 5 megahertz . Fortunately (or unfortunately) being an older house the electrical wiring doesnt follow any real format & one of the power circuits services some of the power points at each end of the house. Not all though & i have upgraded & added circuits etc. So the EOP is connected into that & i run a cable from the upstairs EOP to the TV.
The EPO also operates wi-fi to extend the range as well as connected via cable to the main TV
In the bedroom upstair (upper right end) i have a PS3 which connects seemlessly to the fritzbox wi-fi (as there is only the floor/ceiling as a physical barrier it streams excellently)
I have a 3TB hard drive that i download movies, Tv & music to, which is obviously attached to my computer.

I have Universal Media Server program that runs on my PC & through the modem ect it streams wirelessly to all parts of the house.
It seems to work really well & picks up the PS3 & Sony TV(main) always. It even picks ups a samsung smart tv & we dont have one so must be neighbors  ??? ??? ???.

Now the good & bad.......

Wi-fi throught out the house is excellent for mobiles, laptops, ipads etc. I can watch downloaded movies, tv through the PS3 on the bedroom TV with no problems, however..........

The main TV upstairs can be a bit hit & miss.
Generally i find when i download 1080p movies i sometimes experience a lot of lagging, now this is the queer part as some movies (or TV) will cause no end of grief & other are no problem at all, eg had no problems with Avatar (even in 3d) but have had problems with others. So i tend to think that sometimes it is the quality of the rip of the movie.
I tend to download most movies in 720p and to be perfectly honest dont notice much (if any)difference, (& if anyone is pirating movies, who ya gonna complain too  >:D) again i've had movies that have $hit sound quality & good Vid, so really believe its more to do with download.

The other strange part is that i have watched a movie/series one day & gone to watch with swmbo & have all sorts of problems, so thats the streaming issues.
One of the other things i found out is that wireless can be really finicky & any interference can cause problems when streaming. I found this out when connecting a new wireless keyboard & mouse & they all operate in a 2.4gightz range.

My opinion of the EOP... well when it works(which it does most of the time) it works well. I imagine in a newer house with a more direct route through the power circuit (mine goes back to switchboard before going to other end of house) then it would operate really well. I might add that this is my second one of these as the first $hit itself, but it was replaced under warranty & because my original was older I got the newer version, so this one is a lot faster & more stable than the previous one.

If you have hearing like an orchestra conductor then i suspect wireless just wont cut it, but again more likely to be the download & hey a quality sound system could make rap sound like rock ;D.

Its a bit of a long winded post and like Gunsrunner says
It is a labor of love to have everything working perfectly, or just put up with a substandard network.  >:D
When it works, its awesome!(most of the time) ;D When it doesn't work it's --------.
Short of cabling i dont know if there's any real 100% wi-fi systems & if i was building would have multiple sockets throughout the whole house cos who knows what the future holds.

I might also say i do wonder though about all the wireless stuff in houses & what its doing to our brains. The increase in brain tumors cant be due to better detection.

Whilst not really offering any specific advice i hope this helps you to see that there are simple solutions (and man it had to be simple for me ;D) & in most cases suspect it comes back to budget

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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2015, 01:04:30 PM »
I have almost the same setup as the OP but I have a profound hatred of WIFI so spent a whopping $70 and hardwired my house

Office -
Asus N55U Router (only have ADSL2+ here)
That plugs into a Netgear GS102 8 port switch

Off that switch I have

This PC (gaming rig)
25TB (yes 5x 5TB Drives) NAS (Network Area Storage) running FreeNAS a linux distro in essence, awesome bit of kit
Network Printer
+ Other PC / Servers I use when needed (development ones)
cat6 cable to the wall socket

I ran a Cat6 cable yes gigabit network from this room to the kids rumpus room at other end of the house buy purchasing 2 x RJ45 and RJ12 (Phone and Network) multi plug wall plates, the modular HPM ones used the existing phone cable hole in the wall and ran the network cable along side it 15m in length Cost $70 for everything and I rent aswell but used existing holes in the wall, you could use Phone and Pay TV sockets if needed thats the beauty of the modular wall socket.

So the kids rumpus room has another cat6 cable running from the wall socket to another Netgear GS108 8 port switch from that it goes to...

3 x PC's kids all have a PC
The main Smart TV in the lounge (I use Plex on it from the NAS to view movies and tv shows etc)
Foxtel but my IQ box keeps dropping network, it's just old (have ordered the new IQ3 to replace it)
Kids Smart TV
Xbox 360
free port for expansion (god help me)

The kids play games which needs fast network speed, they each get the same speed as my main PC while I stream movies / music

I do have WIFI and my Smart TV in the bedroom uses it along with 2 other laptops and all the phones, not once since I installed the network has anything struggled for bandwidth, in fact we tested it by watching a movie on the main TV served by the NAS, watched a movie streamed via wifi served via the NAS, kids playing COD on 3 x PC's online surfing the web on a laptop and downloading a movie via foxtel all at the same time, the only bottleneck was the ADSL line itself not the home network.

So basically install a cat6 cable and run it via a couple of switches, the netgear ones are cheap as, best thing we ever did....... 18 devices on the network all running at full speed 100% of the time
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2015, 12:50:58 PM »
I also used to have an over engineered setup but eventually put in a fortinet device with managed access points and cabled the access points to provide full coverage across the house and outside living areas. I also cabled up the smart tv,s and denon receiver so anything that streams audio or video does it at 1gbps and Put on nbn and get 25mbps over wifi anywhere in the house. Did have a dedicated windows media server to record and play from however that has been retired into a workstation for general use but still runs plex. Whilst expensive for home use, the fortinet is an all in one router, switch, wifi and consolidated a lot of devices for me. I buy access points on eBay when they come up really cheap and slowly expanded over the last year or so until I got the coverage I needed. Cost me about $500 all up with access points, way below retail price.
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