Bike riders !!! Grrrr - things are getting worse up here

[grafy82]

Some additional light reading before we all provide fodder for the same sort of negative commentary that cyclists attract...

http://www.bicycleinfo.nsw.gov.au/get_riding/nsw_road_rules.html

http://www.amygillett.org.au/qld-cycle-specific-road-rules/

https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/cycling/cyclist-road-rules-and-safety

Something from your 'light reading' which I'm sure all the tour-de-fake riders would adhere to

[TheWall]

I have a solution. Rego should be charged per kilo of vehicle. My 2 odd ton of Fourby would cost an arm and a leg and my 7kg bike would pay a fair amount $1.70 p/a!) representing the actual wear and tear it comparatively causes on our road infrastructure.

And then I would be happy to claim 'my' lane at 5klm per hour as stated above as paying rego seems to mean you can get away with murder judging by many of these posts.

[monbeg]

I have a solution. Rego should be charged per kilo of vehicle. My 2 odd ton of Fourby would cost an arm and a leg and my 7kg bike would pay a fair amount $1.70 p/a!) representing the actual wear and tear it comparatively causes on our road infrastructure.

And then I would be happy to claim 'my' lane at 5klm per hour as stated above as paying rego seems to mean you can get away with murder judging by many of these posts.

Actually someone in some transport area in SA worked out that including admin etc costs that it would cost approximately $12 per year for bike rego which would entitle any rider to ride in any lane at any speed.

Could be worthwhile from a cyclists point of view, would probably be conceived as being an absolute bargain for people who ride to work etc.

Be careful what you wish for folks (without thinking again) !

[Topender]

Actually someone in some transport area in SA worked out that including admin etc costs that it would cost approximately $12 per year for bike rego which would entitle any rider to ride in any lane at any speed.

Could be worthwhile from a cyclists point of view, would probably be conceived as being an absolute bargain for people who ride to work etc.

Be careful what you wish for folks (without thinking again) !

 

[Symon]

I live near the Gillies Range and have to travel part way down and up everyday. This is one road where cyclists should never be allowed to travel on. The Gillies range is double lines all the way except a couple of overtaking lanes. There are no bike lanes on this road, it has over 250 tight bends in only a 20 km stretch all this with a very steep climb of about 800 meters.

Anyone who rides a pushbike on the Gillies range has a death wish, pure and simple.  It is dangerous enough driving a car on that road.

Perfect example of 'just because you can, doesn't mean you should'.

[Footy Shorts Shane]

Anyone who rides a pushbike on the Gillies range has a death wish, pure and simple.  It is dangerous enough driving a car on that road.

Perfect example of 'just because you can, doesn't mean you should'.

And through long term roadworks.

Wouldn't you change your training route whilst there's roadworks going on for a long period of time

[Symon]

Wouldn't you change your training route whilst there's roadworks going on for a long period of time

That decision requires a moderate degree of intelligence. Unfortunately some cyclists lack that attribute.

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[JD-120]

And through long term roadworks.

Wouldn't you change your training route whilst there's roadworks going on for a long period of time

if thats the case, close the road. if its not suitable for bikes, is it suitable for cars?

[Footy Shorts Shane]

if thats the case, close the road. if its not suitable for bikes, is it suitable for cars?

No, the road conditions are usually suitable for all. But, one thing I have noticed, is a lot of people can't drive for Shit, especially in unfamiliar or altered conditions. Roadworks, redirected lanes etc.
Why on earth would you place yourself in that situation

My kids ride their bikes to school and back every day. When the roadworks were happening near their school for a month, I made them ride the long way to school. They hated it ( because it added a whole of 3 minutes to their trip  ) but even a 13 & 15 year old could see why I didn't want them to ride through there. I don't understand why anyone would want to double (speculation only) their risk factor.

Shane.

[Symon]

if thats the case, close the road. if its not suitable for bikes, is it suitable for cars?

No one said it was unsuitable, it does however present a higher risk.  Would any cyclist with a brain deliberately put themselves in a situation that presents a higher risk of being hit?  Seriously?

Like I said before, just because you can - doesn't mean you should.

[Homer_Jay]

Symon hit the nail on the head... common sense seems to be lacking in many riders (and YES motorists too). The difference is that the motorist has a bit of a 'buffer' for want of a better word.

Since the new QLD laws have come in, I am seeing more cyclists wanting to be aggressive on the road and enforce their 'rights'.
The problem is, I am sure there are many many dead cyclists who were in the 'right' at the time!

I have no offence to sharing the road with cyclists who show some courtesy, BUT these overweight middle-aged blokes in full lycra  .... Come on guys, its wrong on so many levels and you know it!

[muzza01]

No one said it was unsuitable, it does however present a higher risk.  Would any cyclist with a brain deliberately put themselves in a situation that presents a higher risk of being hit?  Seriously?

Like I said before, just because you can - doesn't mean you should.

Well said

[Jeepers Creepers]

Can't wait for the "Oh, but I have rights and if I want to ride the Gillies, road works, etc etc, then i will " reply.

Which, will prove pretty much beyond doubt, who has a brain and who doesn't.

And, if the push bikers are so sure of their rights etc and really want to ride any and all of the roads on offer, why do so many have the need to park their pushbike on the footpath all around the coffee shop you've stopped at? 

Surely, its your right then, to perform an angle park like say, oh...I don't know, maybe a motor bike and park all ya pushies on the road, where you all belong, according to what I've been reading on here and the papers.

Or just another double standard? 

[JD-120]

No one said it was unsuitable, it does however present a higher risk.  Would any cyclist with a brain deliberately put themselves in a situation that presents a higher risk of being hit?  Seriously?

Like I said before, just because you can - doesn't mean you should.

according to half the replies to this thread, riders (brainless or not) are putting themselves at risk, just by saddling up and hitting the road.

I am pretty sure everyone is singing the same tune here, just from different angles

comes down to common sense and ones will to live just a little bit longer.

My opinion is that if there is not a sign up that states no cyclists allowed, its up to the individual. After all, we are all individuals with varying capabilities. Conditions change on a daily basis and so should your approach.

[Dragonfly]

I am a regular commuter on my push bike and a regular driver along the same route. IMHO, if you are going to use the road, you need 3 things:

1. a good dose of common sense
2. skills to operate your chosen method of transport
3. awareness of what others are doing on the road.

Doesn't matter if you are on a push-bike or motorbike, in a car or walking on your feet - if you are a d***head off the road, you will be a d***head on it. I have been hit by 2 cars and a truck and in all instances it was simply impatience and a lack of care that caused the incidents. Thankfully, I have not had any nasty injuries, but it could happen very easily.

If you see a bike rider - he or she is just wanting to share the road, give them a metre and assume that they're a d***head and could do anything at any time... That's how we cyclists see car drivers most of the time 

[grafy82]

If you see a bike rider - he or she is just wanting to share the road, give them a metre and assume that they're a d***head and could do anything at any time... That's how we cyclists see car drivers most of the time 

If you see motorists like that most of the time, the hows about you give them a metre and keep yourself safe? Oh no sorry, I forgot, its your right to put yourself in danger.

[Symon]

according to half the replies to this thread, riders (brainless or not) are putting themselves at risk, just by saddling up and hitting the road.

Well.... yeah.  Of course that is true.
By jumping in a car and driving down the road you are puting yourself at risk.  If you jump on a bike and ride down the road you are MORE at risk.  Smart riders minimize that risk by the route they choose to take,  and what time they choose to ride.

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[Dragonfly]

If you see motorists like that most of the time, the hows about you give them a metre and keep yourself safe? Oh no sorry, I forgot, its your right to put yourself in danger.

No need for it to get personal buddy... You have no idea how I ride. The point I was making is that it swings both ways. Everyone has a responsibility on the road. I ride a bike and drive a car... As a bike rider, I prefer the bike paths to stay away from the cars and keep myself safer. That's not always an option, but.


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[briann532]

I can see this thread spiralling downwards rapidly...............

I think Julian summed it up well

In life, try not to be a f#ckwit.

Whether you're riding a bike, driving your 4wby, wheeling your child in a pram or perambulating on shanks pony, try to have some awareness of others around you and be considerate, understand the impact of your actions on the rest of the world.

Edit: same when you're posting in this and other threads.

There will always be good and bad of both cyclists and drivers, but it boils down to consideration of others.
If you are holding up people then you need to be considerate and let them past, and likewise if someone is trying to cycle safely, give them the consideration you wish from them.

AND finally if either or is being a complete w@nk3r, don't retaliate as you just become one yourself.
Get away as safely and quickly as possible and smile knowing you're better than that........

[Topender]

I can see this thread spiralling downwards rapidly...............

I think Julian summed it up well

There will always be good and bad of both cyclists and drivers, but it boils down to consideration of others.
If you are holding up people then you need to be considerate and let them past, and likewise if someone is trying to cycle safely, give them the consideration you wish from them.

AND finally if either or is being a complete w@nk3r, don't retaliate as you just become one yourself.
Get away as safely and quickly as possible and smile knowing you're better than that........

Well said......might be time to lock this one up!   

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might be time to lock this one up!   

Yep, lets start on politics for the next topic, move onto religion, and to finish up, sex

[grafy82]

No need for it to get personal buddy... You have no idea how I ride. The point I was making is that it swings both ways. Everyone has a responsibility on the road. I ride a bike and drive a car... As a bike rider, I prefer the bike paths to stay away from the cars and keep myself safer. That's not always an option, but.


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Hey buddy, no ones getting personal, or so I thought until I re-read your post.

assume that they're a d***head and could do anything at any time... That's how we cyclists see car drivers most of the time 

But anyway its all good mate, no love lost. I am a casual bike rider myself and love it. All I want is for everyone to look out for themselves and stay safe.

[grafy82]

Yep, lets start on politics for the next topic, move onto religion, and to finish up, sex

Can't we just do all 3 at once

[Footy Shorts Shane]

Yep, lets start on politics

It's all Tony Abbotts fault. All because he's a bloody cyclist........ 

  Shane.

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It's all Tony Abbotts fault. All because he's a bloody cyclist........ 

  Shane.

............. and a "Mad Monk"