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Internet while camping
« on: June 29, 2014, 08:54:57 PM »
Ok, so I know the purists will be up me for wanting internet access whilst camping but I do and thought some of you may also be keen to see how I've done it. 

The quest began last September when I returned to Teewah after years off the beach, last time I was here I didn't have a mobile let alone an iPad so I didn't miss my constant high speed connection, but oh how things have changed, now I need my evening fix, but as many of you will know the mobile network doesn't quite make it to Teewah and you can pretty much count on no reception in the camping zone (other than the odd clear night) on your phones and after seeing that Firefox had a stable connection using an external antenna atop is Taj Mahal on wheels I knew it could be done.

Ok, so I decided we needed an external antenna and a modem with the appropriate input. I checked all the USB modems I had laying around including a Telstra 4G USB card (Sierra 320u) that I thought would work great plugged into a Draytek router but the Draytek had throughput issues so I swapped it out for a little Dovado Tiny unit which was made specifically for the job and did it beautifully (about $120 from telco antennas plus $20-30 for the 12v adapter)  For the antenna I did a bit of research and decided somewhere around 6.5db was a good compromise for the purpose and found RFI make a unit called a COL2195 which Telstra actually resell  and gives 6.5db on 3g and 3db on 4g (I found one unused on Gumtree for $40 but I think about $150 new also from Telco). Note, you'll need a pig tail adapter to connect antenna to modem.

The antenna came with about 6m of cable and I didn't want to permanently attach it so using some hose clamps I attached it to the end of an extendable aluminium paint roller handle ($20 bucks from bunnings) that I simply zip tie to one of the poles for the bed flies.  I run the cable up under the bed end into the camper terminating in the modem.

The end result is it works great, in fact I'm writing this whilst sitting on the beach at Teewah (it's bloody cold so I'm sitting on the couch in the Hawk).  Without the aerial we get no reception, with the aerial we get Telstra 4G with 48% signal strength which gives us download speeds of 10mbps and uploads around 1mbps.  This is fantastic speed for surfing the net and we also use it to make VoIP calls using a SIP client on our mobiles, also the wireless N lets you take your iPad out to the fire (let the abuse begin).

Here's some pics I took yesterday of it up and running.




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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2014, 10:52:12 PM »
See it can be done, it really can.
It just depends on how long you want to get out of your batteries.
I normally just plug that Telstra 4G modem directly into the laptop.
So I don't wreck hard drives, walking around with the lap top.
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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2014, 11:01:39 PM »
Well done!

Not wanting to detract from your success but my question on this subject is how to achieve what you have using the smart phone as the modem/hot spot. I have found passive aerial cases and external aerial no good (based on using an iphone 5). Any ideas on that one?

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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2014, 08:11:01 AM »
Awesome setup mate. I will be looking into this!

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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2014, 08:17:37 AM »
yea i would love some net too.....i find i am more relaxed if i can keep on top of my emails and parts requests whilst on the road or camping, being self employed means i work 24/7 inside my head it never shuts off
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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2014, 08:19:48 AM »
great little setup.  certainly handy to have to keep in touch...

thanks for sharing...  :cup:

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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2014, 08:34:51 AM »
Great setup. I use a dovado pro. You can cut the power cable and it rjns straight 12v. Draws about .7a so very low.  I carry 2 usb modems telstra and optus. I usevthe optus as much as possible data so much cheaper. And use telstra on a year prepaid. Antenna is from telco antennas and provides such a difference its not funny. Have iPhone,  iPad,  etc still this setup si much stronger.
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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2014, 09:15:21 AM »
my question on this subject is how to achieve what you have using the smart phone as the modem/hot spot. I have found passive aerial cases and external aerial no good (based on using an iphone 5). Any ideas on that one?

I agree that those passive antenna couplers don't do a lot, you just need a phone with an external antenna input.  I only have Telstra equipment so can't speak about other carriers equipment but if you check out the Telstra "Dave" it has an input (T9 I think) that will do the job, it runs android and has built in hotspot.  I have one at work but can't get my hands on it easily to test but if I have an excuse I'll order another one.

yea i would love some net too.....i find i am more relaxed if i can keep on top of my emails and parts requests whilst on the road or camping, being self employed means i work 24/7 inside my head it never shuts off

I feel you, I'm self employed also and sometime you just can't say I'm out of range.

Great setup. I use a dovado pro. You can cut the power cable and it rjns straight 12v. Draws about .7a so very low.  I carry 2 usb modems telstra and optus. I usevthe optus as much as possible data so much cheaper. And use telstra on a year prepaid. Antenna is from telco antennas and provides such a difference its not funny. Have iPhone,  iPad,  etc still this setup si much stronger.

The Tiny must be different, I bought the genuine 12v adapter and it outputs 5v 2a.  I hear you about the Telstra premium, I pay $220pm for 30gb of data plus another 7gb from shard plans.  I don't have an option then to use Telstra for the work we do in South Western QLD where the other carriers just don't cut it.

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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2014, 09:18:23 AM »
Great write up jasman. Thnx for sharing. You've just motivated my next project. Nothing worse than sitting round a roaring campfire and not being able to upload instant pics of you being outside camping while everyone else is stuck at home:-)

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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2014, 09:40:25 AM »
Great write up jasman. Thnx for sharing. You've just motivated my next project. Nothing worse than sitting round a roaring campfire and not being able to upload instant pics of you being outside camping while everyone else is stuck at home:-)

It has worked so well I'm starting to think it might be even better to mount it in my vehicle semi-permanently (read 3M Velcro) and utilise a bullbar mounted antenna - as long as I park the fourby within about 20m of the camper then wireless N will get me the signal.  I think this might have some merit because having the extra range when we're out and about might come in handy one day.

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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2014, 09:50:31 AM »
It has worked so well I'm starting to think it might be even better to mount it in my vehicle semi-permanently (read 3M Velcro) and utilise a bullbar mounted antenna - as long as I park the fourby within about 20m of the camper then wireless N will get me the signal.  I think this might have some merit because having the extra range when we're out and about might come in handy one day.

maybe a 10m antenna lead that you could plug into an electrical adaptable box with magnets attached, which could then stick to the side/inside/tub of the camper?

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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2014, 09:55:46 AM »
Great setup!
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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2014, 10:10:26 AM »
I'd forgo the magnets in favour of Velcro.
You might also find the drop in height, from pole to bullbar, will be a problem for extreme range.
For reception and transmission back to the phone system that is.
Having said that, the body of the vehicle will limit the effectiveness of the hotspot device.
You cannot leave the doors open all the time.  The metal body will contain the signal within.
I've been using an RFI broomstick Antenna on a pole for a while now.
Not the Hot spot though.
You can extend the length of the Antenna wire with another piece and the correct connectors.
10M is about as far as is usable, after that the signal starts to drop off.
The extension cable is something that needs doing by a specialist.
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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2014, 11:29:05 AM »
Great write up jasman. Thnx for sharing. You've just motivated my next project. Nothing worse than sitting round a roaring campfire and not being able to upload instant pics of you being outside camping while everyone else is stuck at home:-)

Sat phone it scarps. Never a problem then
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2014, 09:52:12 PM »
Sat phone it scarps. Never a problem then

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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2014, 10:06:50 PM »
It has worked so well I'm starting to think it might be even better to mount it in my vehicle semi-permanently (read 3M Velcro) and utilise a bullbar mounted antenna - as long as I park the fourby within about 20m of the camper then wireless N will get me the signal.  I think this might have some merit because having the extra range when we're out and about might come in handy one day.

This is essentially what I am about to do.
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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2014, 12:32:06 AM »
When I need internet in poor signal areas I just carry around my homemade yagi

I use the 8 element "Perite" one.  Requires some pointing where the omni doesn't though.  I drew up the designs to make one that dismantled to pack smaller at some point...
http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/homemade_yagi

With a cheap universal inductive cradle it boosted my old phone 3 bars or more.  Doesn't work at all with my new phone (Lumia 920) though :(

I think the wireless charging stuff must interfere with the spacing between the antenna and the cradle.

At the moment it is my only internet at home.  I've got the gear to make a stronger one but haven't gotten around to it yet.

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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2014, 10:03:41 AM »
Hey Johnyd, I actually read all the design the stuff on Yagi's over on Whirlpool as part of my research for my setup.  Though they obviously get better reception in the right conditions I discounted the design for camping for two reasons

1. Pretty much need line of sight which can be difficult when camping in the bush
2. Are tuned to a frequency so won't roam between 3G and 4G

Point two is actually pretty significant, when I just tested my setup I had 48% signal strength on 4G and 22% on 3G.  This was surprising as my antenna specs shows 6.5db on 3G and only 3db on 4G but I guess it goes to show that Telstra has been building out its 4G network.

Just a guess about the new phone but I'm thinking the coil in the cheap cradle may not actually be lined up with the antenna in the phone.  Maybe try turning it on it's side, etc?
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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2014, 06:54:41 PM »
Well done!

Not wanting to detract from your success but my question on this subject is how to achieve what you have using the smart phone as the modem/hot spot. I have found passive aerial cases and external aerial no good (based on using an iphone 5). Any ideas on that one?

Hey Supersi, using a model specific, name brand passive cradle is the way to get it to work with a smartphone, I did with my old Apple 4s, then changed the cradle to Apple 5 and now using a 5s, all with an RFI 6.5 db broomstick on the bullbar, what we do is leave the phone in the cradle in the car, so it is being charged and has the external antenna and then turn the wifi hotspot on and connect the ipad etc up to that, works a treat from the car to the camper, works in locations where you can't get a signal on the iphone in the camper but put it in the kit and you can. You could do the same thing with the cradle but not have it bolted in the car so you could have it in the camper, antenna on a post as others have mentioned.
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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2014, 07:32:52 PM »
Hey Johnyd, I actually read all the design the stuff on Yagi's over on Whirlpool as part of my research for my setup.  Though they obviously get better reception in the right conditions I discounted the design for camping for two reasons

1. Pretty much need line of sight which can be difficult when camping in the bush
2. Are tuned to a frequency so won't roam between 3G and 4G

If you've got something to point them with (I have an old phone that gives instant raw signal data) they'll perform better in pretty much any circumstance.  Omni's are significantly easier to use though, find the strongest spot and leave it there rather than finding the strongest spot and then having to point it in the right direction, I just had the yagi already so no extra things.

I've tried lining the phone up in every way, barely registers any boost. I prefer it to be harder to contact me when I'm camping anyway.

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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2014, 08:06:34 PM »
If you've got something to point them with (I have an old phone that gives instant raw signal data) they'll perform better in pretty much any circumstance.  Omni's are significantly easier to use though, find the strongest spot and leave it there rather than finding the strongest spot and then having to point it in the right direction, I just had the yagi already so no extra things.

I was under the understanding that if there were hills then you were in trouble, are you saying they will still work ok in Hilly areas?  If so, I think work might need to buy one of these to test for myself.

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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2014, 09:11:56 PM »
Scattered signal can be harder to chase, but if you've got signal and can figure out the direction it is coming from you should be better served with a yagi.  Omni's are for transportability and a boost when in fringe areas, yagis are more for fixed installs than traveling due to the need to point them fairly accurately for good results. 

These are a few of the paths that WP users have gotten signal through.

http://i.imgur.com/ImGRF.png
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3253/yagiperth.jpg
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I had to punch through with a fair hill range in between as well at the old place.  Hills are going to break the signal on either antenna, but a pointed hi-gain yagi should beat an omni if you have signal, but you might spend 5 mins wandering around to get it right and to really do it you need a phone that can be put in engineer mode and give live figures rather than the slower to update bars.

To buy them can cost a fair bit and they often overstate the gains.  They are painfully easy to make and the most expensive bit is the connector to your modem (or the cable if you need a long run).   My hacked together first attempt at the 8 element 13db antenna that cost $20 gets the same results as the $250 16db antenna dad bought after I showed that mine would work.

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Re: Internet while camping
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2014, 02:22:15 PM »
This seems like a great idea. What is the cost in battery power?

This site might help with the yagi setup http://maps.spench.net/rf/#pos=-26.2596544,153.0532128&zoom=11&type=roadmap
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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2014, 07:22:34 PM »
This seems like a great idea. What is the cost in battery power?

The router has a power supply with a maximum 12/24v input of 1300ma so I guess that is the peak, considering we only run it for a couple of hours a day I don't think it had any noticeable impact of batteries.

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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2015, 03:29:02 PM »
Ok, so I know the purists will be up me for wanting internet access whilst camping but I do and thought some of you may also be keen to see how I've done it. 

The quest began last September when I returned to Teewah after years off the beach, last time I was here I didn't have a mobile let alone an iPad so I didn't miss my constant high speed connection, but oh how things have changed, now I need my evening fix, but as many of you will know the mobile network doesn't quite make it to Teewah and you can pretty much count on no reception in the camping zone (other than the odd clear night) on your phones and after seeing that Firefox had a stable connection using an external antenna atop is Taj Mahal on wheels I knew it could be done.

Ok, so I decided we needed an external antenna and a modem with the appropriate input. I checked all the USB modems I had laying around including a Telstra 4G USB card (Sierra 320u) that I thought would work great plugged into a Draytek router but the Draytek had throughput issues so I swapped it out for a little Dovado Tiny unit which was made specifically for the job and did it beautifully (about $120 from telco antennas plus $20-30 for the 12v adapter)  For the antenna I did a bit of research and decided somewhere around 6.5db was a good compromise for the purpose and found RFI make a unit called a COL2195 which Telstra actually resell  and gives 6.5db on 3g and 3db on 4g (I found one unused on Gumtree for $40 but I think about $150 new also from Telco). Note, you'll need a pig tail adapter to connect antenna to modem.

The antenna came with about 6m of cable and I didn't want to permanently attach it so using some hose clamps I attached it to the end of an extendable aluminium paint roller handle ($20 bucks from bunnings) that I simply zip tie to one of the poles for the bed flies.  I run the cable up under the bed end into the camper terminating in the modem.

The end result is it works great, in fact I'm writing this whilst sitting on the beach at Teewah (it's bloody cold so I'm sitting on the couch in the Hawk).  Without the aerial we get no reception, with the aerial we get Telstra 4G with 48% signal strength which gives us download speeds of 10mbps and uploads around 1mbps.  This is fantastic speed for surfing the net and we also use it to make VoIP calls using a SIP client on our mobiles, also the wireless N lets you take your iPad out to the fire (let the abuse begin).

Here's some pics I took yesterday of it up and running.






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