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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2014, 09:13:13 PM »

The argument is not against those towing a van at 95, it is about not pulling over and letting those stuck behind overtake.  Simple manners which not too many grey nomads have.

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Something I did notice is that the grey nomads that have been travelling for sometime are pretty good. They have a uhf and use it well to communicate with drivers. Mainly out west that is. I had a yarn to a couple one afternoon doing my semi reg run and they had only been on the road for a few weeks. We got talking and they were good. They had no idea. I later ran into them at Julia Creek and they pretty much tried to tell all the other nomads they met alon the way about the tips I have them for interacting with trucks, especially on crappy roads.

So I say it is lack of education in driving/towing larger vehicle/combinations, travelling on the open highway(as most are city dwellers use to multiple lane roads) and simple road manners.


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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2014, 09:19:44 PM »
Look as someone who is 68 and a very competent driver towing a camper I really resent the use of the term 'grey nomad' like this makes an incompetent driver. I bought my Cub camper off a guy who is in his 70s who had done 7 trips across the Simpson and was his $WD club training person.

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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2014, 09:23:15 PM »
Look as someone who is 68 and a very competent driver towing a camper I really resent the use of the term 'grey nomad' like this makes an incompetent driver. I bought my Cub camper off a guy who is in his 70s who had done 7 trips across the Simpson and was his $WD club training person.

Get over it.

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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2014, 09:56:55 PM »
I bought my Cub camper off a guy who is in his 70s who had done 7 trips across the Simpson and was his $WD club training person.

Not the best endorsement of a person.... I also know people in 4WD clubs, and many of them are complete fugwits, that have poor driving skills and even worse personalities...  I guess it depends on the club?
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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2014, 06:43:57 AM »
Personally, it is less about the speed - yep, they should be willing to drive at a speed close to the limit...

What gets up my nose is that as soon as there is an overtaking lane... they speed up to 110!!!
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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2014, 07:18:28 AM »
G'day Beatle,
I believe it is about being aware of what the traffic is doing around you.
My job now involves driving the Pathetic h/way a couple of times a day between the destinations that I mentioned earlier.
I get B Doubles that are traveling faster than myself whether I be loaded or empty, so at the first chance I get I allow them to overtake me, I'll slow down on the overtaking lane so they can get around as quickly and safely as possible.  I don't have a UHF, I nearly always get the double flash of indicators from them as they go around.
Another instance which bugs me to no end, is when a vehicle is towing or not can't wait for you or the line of traffic to pass them before they pull out in front, what is will that  ???
Seriously they are on holidays and can't wait a few seconds more for the traffic to pass, yet they have to do this and slow others down.
When I'm towing our camper it's the same thing.
I'm watching in my mirrors constantly to see if there are other road uses that are traveling quicker than us.
If it is a semi/B Double I will call them over the UHF to let them know that I am aware of them traveling faster than myself.
They will usually know the road and let me know when they intend on coming around.
Even if I didn't have communications with them, I still allow them pass without giving them grief.
I don't get the attitude of the majority of road uses, it's quiet selfish at times.

Hey on an up side,
I had a qlder over take on the overtaking lane yesterday, they indicator to overtake, indicator to move back in the left lane and stayed there until the lane finished then indicator to merge into the traffic.
I thought to myself, wow if one can do it, there is hope for the rest of us that the others can learn too  8)

Have a good weekend guys & girls and travel safe.
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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2014, 09:17:58 AM »
Not the best endorsement of a person.... I also know people in 4WD clubs, and many of them are complete fugwits, that have poor driving skills and even worse personalities...  I guess it depends on the club?

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The argument is not against those towing a van at 95, it is about not pulling over and letting those stuck behind overtake.  Simple manners which not too many grey nomads have.

KB

Agreed. It's not just grey nomads either, we got stuck behind a delica not towing, on Anzac weekend. He did 60kph from Cunningham hwy all the way to beaudesert and refused to move over, even with 2k's of traffic behind him. Arrogant prick he was.
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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2014, 10:15:42 AM »

G'day Beatle,
I believe it is about being aware of what the traffic is doing around you.
My job now involves driving the Pathetic h/way a couple of times a day between the destinations that I mentioned earlier.
I get B Doubles that are traveling faster than myself whether I be loaded or empty, so at the first chance I get I allow them to overtake me, I'll slow down on the overtaking lane so they can get around as quickly and safely as possible.  I don't have a UHF, I nearly always get the double flash of indicators from them as they go around.
Another instance which bugs me to no end, is when a vehicle is towing or not can't wait for you or the line of traffic to pass them before they pull out in front, what is will that  ???
Seriously they are on holidays and can't wait a few seconds more for the traffic to pass, yet they have to do this and slow others down.
When I'm towing our camper it's the same thing.
I'm watching in my mirrors constantly to see if there are other road uses that are traveling quicker than us.
If it is a semi/B Double I will call them over the UHF to let them know that I am aware of them traveling faster than myself.
They will usually know the road and let me know when they intend on coming around.
Even if I didn't have communications with them, I still allow them pass without giving them grief.
I don't get the attitude of the majority of road uses, it's quiet selfish at times.

Hey on an up side,
I had a qlder over take on the overtaking lane yesterday, they indicator to overtake, indicator to move back in the left lane and stayed there until the lane finished then indicator to merge into the traffic.
I thought to myself, wow if one can do it, there is hope for the rest of us that the others can learn too  8)

Have a good weekend guys & girls and travel safe.
 :cheers:

Great work mate.

It called courtesy and common sense which appears not to be so common.

You don't get cranky, the person behind doesn't get cranky and everyone carries on with their day with just a bit less stress. 

Something my old man told me years ago is if you have someone impatient behind you get them around as quick as you can safely because if they are behind you too long that's when they will get the poos and do something silly.


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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2014, 10:17:01 AM »
Look as someone who is 68 and a very competent driver towing a camper I really resent the use of the term 'grey nomad' like this makes an incompetent driver. I bought my Cub camper off a guy who is in his 70s who had done 7 trips across the Simpson and was his $WD club training person.

Get over it.

Why should this be offensive?  ??? They call themselves this when I talk to them at Grain Loading sites as they chase the seasons around. :-\

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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2014, 10:21:52 AM »
Reminds me of this thread - http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=31263

Look as someone who is 68 and a very competent driver towing a camper I really resent the use of the term 'grey nomad' like this makes an incompetent driver. I bought my Cub camper off a guy who is in his 70s who had done 7 trips across the Simpson and was his $WD club training person.

Get over it.


Surely you have to see that you and the other guy are the exception to the rule.  There are many many caravanners on our roads these days which is a good thing and all the best to them, however many do not understand how to set up their tow vehicle, caravan, and more importantly their own driving skills to safely tow on the road.

Then there is the other thing of common courtesy, it's the same as the cyclist debate, each side is 'right' in their right to use the road, but at times it is not about who is 'right' and who is 'wrong' it is more about modifying behaviour to avoid incidents.  Such as caravanners pulling over occasionally to let people past, and other people not being in such a hurry to get around them.
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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2014, 10:22:04 AM »
So what's the consensus here?  Some are saying people are driving too fast with vans in tow, others are saying everyone should travel at the posted speed limit so as not to hold up traffic.   Make your minds up please ???

I also find it funny that no matter which forum I'm on, the forum users are always well above the average when it comes to driving skills    ;D

Nine times out of ten, if they loaded the trailer/van correctly, they would have no problem sitting on or close to the speed limit. In saying that, some rough sections of road they need to back off some, to keep it under control, just like me in the B-double of AB-triple.

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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2014, 11:02:39 AM »
Why should this be offensive?  ??? They call themselves this when I talk to them at Grain Loading sites as they chase the seasons around. :-\

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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2014, 11:08:11 AM »
And yet there is plenty of advice around telling those towing NOT to attempt to pull over, particularly to let road trains overtake.  Slowing to a speed safe enough to pull off the road actually causes traffic to slow more, and has been the cause of more than one accident and fatality.  Better to keep going and when the truck pulls out to overtake, then slow down.

Look, I get as cranky as the next bloke, usually more-so, but I need to realise it's MY problem, not the other guys in more cases than not.  Even unloaded on a multi-lane freeway people get the shirts because their cruise control is set to 110KPH and so is the other guy's, but one will always tend to creep up on the other.  If one guy is using his speedo, the other GPS, there's another 5kph difference.

I'm old enough to remember when the Pacific Highway from Newcastle to Tweed was single lane the whole way, mostly no LH fog lines, ARMCO was a new thing, headlights were like dim candles,  and there were bends sharp enough that some semi's had to stop and have two goes at negotiating. Dad smoked in the car, all trucks belched diesel, no-one had aircon except white-socked real-estate agents in LE Monaros, and we often bounced around on hot vinyl seats without a seatbelt let alone a dedicated child restraint.  Lots of us died....   Yet  I don't recall anywhere near the amount of 'road-rage' we see today even though road conditions are considerably better.

So-called professional drivers are no better than the average either in my opinion.  Only a fortnight ago I saw a rigid-bed truck, with all the "We Value Safe Driving" stickers all over it, absolutely riding the rear bumper of a young female L-plater sitting quite legally at or near the L-plater speed limit.  Seriously???  What message does that send?  What if it were your daughter on her first outing onto public roads?  "Professional" simply means you get paid to do it, not that you are necessarily any good at it.

I've heard V8 Supercar drivers complain about other drivers saying they are too slow and holding up proceedings?  Really?  Surely everyone is too slow except for the winner?

How many of us get cranky having to slow down a bit when we come up behind a loaded semi on a hill?  Not many I'd guess.   So why is that any different to when we come up behind a guy towing a heavy van going a bit slower than we'd like? 

I guess what I'm getting at is that the biggest single factor in all this is ATTITUDE.  Not road conditions, available power, skills, age, professional or amateur.  These roads are in the public domain and so even if you use them to make a living, no-one has more or less right to them than the next bloke (except of course that Victorians in white commodores and all QLDers should be banned from using public roads during daylight hours............... ;D  goes without saying).

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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2014, 12:16:50 PM »
As you can see here..
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« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2014, 12:26:07 PM »
As you can see here..
The Citroen has already endo'd while connected to it's van.
The Landrover is still hanging in there
I'm thinking "Speed" may be a factor here ;D ;D
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« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2014, 12:39:17 PM »
I get B Doubles that are traveling faster than myself whether I be loaded or empty, so at the first chance I get I allow them to overtake me, I'll slow down on the overtaking lane so they can get around as quickly and safely as possible.

I love it when you have a 3 lane road and you have 3 trucks side by side because each one doesn't want to slow down to conserve their fuel...
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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2014, 12:54:38 PM »
And yet there is plenty of advice around telling those towing NOT to attempt to pull over, particularly to let road trains overtake.  Slowing to a speed safe enough to pull off the road actually causes traffic to slow more, and has been the cause of more than one accident and fatality.  Better to keep going and when the truck pulls out to overtake, then slow down.

Look, I get as cranky as the next bloke, usually more-so, but I need to realise it's MY problem, not the other guys in more cases than not.  Even unloaded on a multi-lane freeway people get the shirts because their cruise control is set to 110KPH and so is the other guy's, but one will always tend to creep up on the other.  If one guy is using his speedo, the other GPS, there's another 5kph difference.

I'm old enough to remember when the Pacific Highway from Newcastle to Tweed was single lane the whole way, mostly no LH fog lines, ARMCO was a new thing, headlights were like dim candles,  and there were bends sharp enough that some semi's had to stop and have two goes at negotiating. Dad smoked in the car, all trucks belched diesel, no-one had aircon except white-socked real-estate agents in LE Monaros, and we often bounced around on hot vinyl seats without a seatbelt let alone a dedicated child restraint.  Lots of us died....   Yet  I don't recall anywhere near the amount of 'road-rage' we see today even though road conditions are considerably better.

So-called professional drivers are no better than the average either in my opinion.  Only a fortnight ago I saw a rigid-bed truck, with all the "We Value Safe Driving" stickers all over it, absolutely riding the rear bumper of a young female L-plater sitting quite legally at or near the L-plater speed limit.  Seriously???  What message does that send?  What if it were your daughter on her first outing onto public roads?  "Professional" simply means you get paid to do it, not that you are necessarily any good at it.

I've heard V8 Supercar drivers complain about other drivers saying they are too slow and holding up proceedings?  Really?  Surely everyone is too slow except for the winner?

How many of us get cranky having to slow down a bit when we come up behind a loaded semi on a hill?  Not many I'd guess.   So why is that any different to when we come up behind a guy towing a heavy van going a bit slower than we'd like? 

I guess what I'm getting at is that the biggest single factor in all this is ATTITUDE.  Not road conditions, available power, skills, age, professional or amateur.  These roads are in the public domain and so even if you use them to make a living, no-one has more or less right to them than the next bloke (except of course that Victorians in white commodores and all QLDers should be banned from using public roads during daylight hours............... ;D  goes without saying).

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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2014, 01:31:55 PM »
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  Slowing to a speed safe enough to pull off the road actually causes traffic to slow more, and has been the cause of more than one accident and fatality.  Better to keep going and when the truck pulls out to overtake, then slow down.
as an ex truckdriver that's the biggest load of Shit I've heard...

Once the truck is out and about, you slow down to make everyones life safer - how can it not?? Sooner the truck is back in his lane, the safer it is for everyone..

And not slowing to let a semi in has also caused more than one fatality to an innocent 20/21yr old motorcyclist heading back home to his best mates 21st while coming in the opposite direction and probably numerous other car/bike riders...
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« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2014, 03:21:42 PM »
???  Lost, maybe I wasn't clear.  I don't know Darren Taylor.  I never said to keep your speed up with the truck in the wrong lane.  Or at least I never meant to say that.

The idea is that you maintain your speed and line.  If and when the road train decides to pull into the other lane to overtake (and this is often preceded by a conversation on UHF if you have one) then you slow down so the truck spends less time getting past.  Give the lights a flash once the rear of the trailer is clear of your front bumper.

If you brake every time a truck appears in your mirrors, you are not long for this world.

It's also important to know that if a truck is speed-limited, it simply won't be able to increase it's speed above the legal limit to overtake you.
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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2014, 03:38:52 PM »

Whether its a truck, someone towing a caravan / camper, I am on holidays and enjoying myself. I just go with the flow as someone will always be in front of you.

To be honest I have more problems with idiots driving on dirt roads especially up at the Cape.

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« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2014, 05:27:27 PM »
as an ex truckdriver that's the biggest load of **** I've heard...

Once the truck is out and about, you slow down to make everyones life safer - how can it not?? Sooner the truck is back in his lane, the safer it is for everyone..

And not slowing to let a semi in has also caused more than one fatality to an innocent 20/21yr old motorcyclist heading back home to his best mates 21st while coming in the opposite direction and probably numerous other car/bike riders...
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Jumped up on your soap box a bit soon there lost, read the comment again.

I believe Beatle's inference is to maintain your speed, and when the truck pulls out to overtake, THEN slow down to let him past.
Exactly the point you were attempting to make, only worded more politely.
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« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2014, 05:37:11 PM »
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« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2014, 05:45:04 PM »

What gets up my nose is that as soon as there is an overtaking lane... they speed up to 110!!!

Yep, couldn't agree more, I just don't get it???

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Re: Clowns Towing Vans
« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2014, 08:48:40 PM »
Whether its a truck, someone towing a caravan / camper, I am on holidays and enjoying myself. I just go with the flow as someone will always be in front of you.

To be honest I have more problems with idiots driving on dirt roads especially up at the Cape.

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« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2014, 08:51:28 PM »
Yep, couldn't agree more, I just don't get it???

Yeah I struggle to understand this too. I sit bang on 100km with the jayco flamingo (legal towing speed here in WA), will overtake a grey nomad or three towing their mcmansion on wheels doing maybe 85km & then be tail-gated by them (maybe they're sitting in my slip stream to conserve fuel ???) only to have them pass me in an overtaking lane with a stream of traffic behind them that they don't let passed me and then sit back on 85km as soon as the lane ends.  >:(
I've tried being polite for other road users and maintained sufficient distance between myself and the truck/towing vehicle in front to let one vehicle overtake safely at a time and pull in between us only to have seven vehicles try fit in that space. I give up, luckily i'm not in that much of a rush as usually heading north we'll only drive for 8-10hrs and set up camp.
Had a fuel tanker sitting right on top of me between dongara and s bend once only to realise the wife had knocked the two way to the wrong channel, soon as we got past the s bends I apologised to him and let him pass on the greenough straight stretch and ended chatting to him most of the way to geraldton on another channel (was hopeful for some discounted fuel but that didn't happen); lost him coming out of geraldton which is odd considering the gradient of some of those hills.
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