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Camper Trailer Design and Drafting
« on: January 30, 2014, 06:56:57 AM »
Good morning All,
Not sure if this is the correct location for this, but ill post it anyway.
A bit of background first: I currently run my own design and drafting business in the Brisbane area, i have been in the industry for over 10 years and have extensive experience with a range of CAD software.
The scenario: Recently I have found myself designing and modelling a lot of different ideas for campers and caravans in my spare time, this got me thinking; Would people be interested in hiring someone to model their ideas for their next camper or caravan? Turn sketches into a rendered product? Assist in calculating cut lists and pricing of materials? Maybe just adding real world dimensions onto a rough sketch to see if its viable? etc.

so what are your thoughts? is this something worth investing my time in or is it just a pipedream?

Thanks in advance for your insight,
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Re: Camper Trailer Design and Drafting
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2014, 08:34:56 AM »
Great idea Scott, and hope you have a few takers.

I am just going to throw up some negatives though, but only because it's easier to pick on the negatives than put the extra thought into being constructive. Hopefully as the day progresses I might be able to give it more thought and give you some positives :angel:

Most of your possible clients would be "owner builders", as such they will probably have lots of ability and experience and be able to nut out most of the design in their head or have access/knowledge of how to draft it through their workplace or similar.

Other potential clients will be at the other end of the spectrum, no idea/learn as they go type DIYers (and good on them for having a go). These type I expect will have limited ideas of what they really want and will be figuring out the design, features, specs as they go.

I am probably somewhere in between - basic trailer building skills (jack of all trades, master of none :laugh:), access to a drafting program, and nutting out the design as I go. As such whilst the ability to draft the plan to fine detailed specs is good, I find I have to keep redesigning on the computer because a fitting (for example) won't work quite as I thought it would so have to modify some design details to accommodate  something different.

You could say that ironically because the CAD system allows the design to so fine tuned one small change (ie slightly different water tank size or shape) may require a substantial rejig of entire sections.

Also a big benefit of DIY custom built items is the free labour which typically means that you get a custom made trailer for about the same money as a production line model (although I am sure most of us hope to make more savings it doesn't quite eventuate >:(). Adding your drafting costs in would possibly eleivate the cost a reasonable amount. And not suggesting your charges will be super expensive, but there is no point you doing it unless you can make it worthwhile for yourself. No one expects you to be a camper trailer charity service.

I see possible customers for you as being a niche inside a niche. DIY builders who have had a variety of trailers over the years, that know exactly what they want and how it is going to be built (and not waiver from those ideals), but want a detailed plan to refer to as they put it together.

Alternatively you could offer a "design" and drafting service. But this would rely on you having an in depth knowledge of all the different "off the shelf" parts (suspensions, tents etc) plus an in depth knowledge of all the custom built, possibly owner built parts (suspensions, tents etc.....) and being able to include it in a design that a person with a very low skill level will be trying to put together.

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Re: Camper Trailer Design and Drafting
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2014, 09:00:14 AM »
thanks for such a detailed reply, i was thinking along the same lines with it being a particularly niche market.
i think the only reason i started modelling them in the first place is because my wife cant visualise lines on a page as well as a 3d model, perhaps thats another niche market again haha.
thanks for taking the time to reply

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Re: Camper Trailer Design and Drafting
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2014, 09:05:39 AM »
I think most people who are building their own are trying to do it on the cheap, or have access to most of it.

but you will get some people interested.

maybe post up some of your designs to give people an idea of what they will get.
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Re: Camper Trailer Design and Drafting
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2014, 09:14:19 AM »
I agree with Lost, post up some of your renderings and put some prices to your work and just wait and see.

Im sure someone would be happy to pay for this type of thing. As others have suggested most home builders are on a budget and that budget may not extend this far but you never know.
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Re: Camper Trailer Design and Drafting
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2014, 09:35:26 AM »
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my wife cant visualise lines on a page as well as a 3d model

Same issue when building our house - "I want to be involved in the planning/design.........but that looks nothing like you described....." >:(

"To late now" ;D

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Re: Camper Trailer Design and Drafting
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2014, 12:17:13 PM »
thanks for the replies guys, im away for work at the moment, however when i get home i will look into uploading a couple of examples of what can be done.
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Re: Camper Trailer Design and Drafting
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2014, 12:47:50 PM »
I have wanted to build a trailer for many years.

Last year a few opportunities fell my way, and then also I came across this forum

I had an idea of what I wanted, but I didnt know what size steel to buy.
the same problem I have now with my big car trailer idea.


and my dream idea of building a camper trailer. I can do the cutting and welding, but I have no idea what size steel. Thickness as well as width etc.

Could you also help with engineering ideas etc. and where to weld extra steel to give the trailer maximum strength for minimal weight?




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Re: Camper Trailer Design and Drafting
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2014, 01:30:30 PM »
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Could you also help with engineering ideas etc. and where to weld extra steel to give the trailer maximum strength for minimal weight?
Peter,
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That is something that i would be able to do, i have an engineering background and experience with solidworks and FEA, however, giving exact answers sort of gets into an indemnity insurance area that i dont think i would want to go down, i could probably provide ideas on the build but i think i would have to make it very clear to the client that the end decision is up to them or something like that...
hmmm...this is looking less and less feasible the more i think about it, perhaps it will remain as just a hobby...

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Re: Camper Trailer Design and Drafting
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2014, 02:34:53 PM »
yes the risk of people suing is a big worry..

it doesnt get much press in Australia but I have heard stories.

it worries me about selling my trailer that I built to sell.

you could look into the insurance of your advice.

but its similar for trailer hiring, if they go and put a concrete water tank onto a  car trailer then wonder why it breaks, then suing the company that hired it.


it maybe just easier and safer for me not to build them to sell.. 



a few years ago I sold a car trailer that I bought to sell after I had done it up a little. anyway I sold with without doing much to it.
I filled out the transfer papers when he took it, then later in the year I received the renewal papers, I had another trailer by then so it confused me, but I worked out it was his, I left it till I caught up with him, he gave me some cash and I paid the rego.

next year the same thing.

the year after, the rego came up, I went looking for him but he had skipped town. I was thinking of paying for it anyway as he had lent me a 3m straight edge.

moral of the story, I rang up vicroads to pay, and the lady said that I am (as the owner) liable for any damage the trailer causes as its registered in my name. so I canceled the rego, which was expired anyway.

so maybe the manufacturer isn't responsible for damage trailers cause and it comes back to the owner..

and I have a free straight edge, till he comes back to collect it.


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Re: Camper Trailer Design and Drafting
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2014, 06:19:25 PM »
G'day Scott8888.

Mate, l've been using Solidworks since 1998.
I'd love to think you could make some pocket money out of this venture, but l'm not sure it can be done at a reasonable cost-l  know too well the time involved in modelling parts, assemblies and tweaking renders etc.

You may want to look at modelling up standard components ( axle/ suspension components, tent tops- opened and closed, hitches, gas bottles etc) as a library. Hopefully then you will only need to concentrate on the trailer body and hang everything else off it.

I''ve got 9 or 10 design options on file from soft floor, to hard floor, to pop up etc.

If nothing else, it's a s%#t load of fun.
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Good luck mate.

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