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Offline Baz

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Bugger.....3 wheels on my wagon.
« on: December 27, 2013, 03:11:02 PM »
Hi All,

decided to drive to Coffin bay from Adelaid on christmas day (bored). Got half way there doing about 100k and the wheeel decided it did not loke the car any more.

All ok and back home now.

I have an in car video of this but cannot post.

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Re: Bugger.....3 wheels on my wagon.
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2013, 03:12:40 PM »
Some more pics.

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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2013, 03:18:46 PM »
Wow main thing is you and others on the road weren't injured. Very lucky mate
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Re: Bugger.....3 wheels on my wagon.
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2013, 03:20:15 PM »
We'll done to pull up safely, how far did the wheel assembly go?
 
I lost one once and it went for 300 metres.  Tracked it down via the swathe of broken shrubbery and bounce marks off trees!

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Re: Bugger.....3 wheels on my wagon.
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2013, 03:40:09 PM »
Standard for GU's with factory alloys to lose them... specially if you've changed one in the recent weeks.

DDR lost one hours after changing one in Murray Sunset. - hes lost 3 (all on my trips :()now I think.. has got into the habit of checking them more than regularly..

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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2013, 03:46:04 PM »
The owner's manual says you need to use a torque wrench.
My 2006 GU was recalled to fit plastic indicators to show if nuts were coming lose.   I sold it before I got around to getting this done.
I don't think I've ever seen a Patrol with these indicators fitted.
Nissan must have sorted the problem because my 2011 GU doesn't have/need them.
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Re: Bugger.....3 wheels on my wagon.
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2013, 03:55:23 PM »
Very lucky, Baz. The marks on the road show how nasty it could have been.
Good effort getting it pulled up with everyone OK, and minimal damage.
Were you carrying spare studs and nuts?

There are just too many cases like this...... >:(
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2013, 04:12:07 PM »
Glad it ended safely Baz.

Scares the sh!t out of you. We had it happen to our GU a couple of years ago. Surprisingly received the Nissan recall not long after for the wheel nut covers.

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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2013, 04:38:19 PM »
Hi All,

The wheels were last rotated about 3000k ago, so things should have happened well before now.

Basically, once the wheel let go we were along for the ride, just had to make sure it stayed upright. Very Very lucky no on comming vehicles.

Found the wheel about 500m along in the bush.

I had 4 spare studs (2 front, 2 rear), the remainder were from from the two rear wheel carrier assemblys.  I am now changing these today for the propper studs.

I had the nissan plastic coverings on the wheel nuts.

I also have 3 of the sheared studs, which i picked up searching for the wheel. So there must have been three on the car when it let go?

But yes scared the bejeeeeesus out of us. But once we were stopped time to calm down and assess.

Lots of people stopped to check if we were ok/needed help. Thanks to all of them.

Baz

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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2013, 05:01:18 PM »
Good to hear no one was hurt.

We too had a similar incident on our hilux recently- lucky for us we realised before it departed the vehicle, and that it happened as we pulled into a town where we could get parts.  Sheared 4 studs, leaving 2 in charge of holding the wheel on.

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Re: Bugger.....3 wheels on my wagon.
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2013, 05:15:30 PM »
Again excellent to hear it wasn't as such a bad ending as it could have been and no one was hurt.

My daily drive and my tug is a mine outfitted vehicle so I have mandatory wheel nut indicators fitted, while it's considered overkill for a non work vehicle I'm happy to walk around and look at each set before I get in the car each morning. And they are like 60cents each for some piece of mind. There are heaps of different ones to fit any type of nut and wheel combination.

The photo is of my old ute, facing the center like these are is not the easiest to detect a change in one. They are better facing tail to tail, but the Toyota service guys that rotate the wheels don't seem to be able to get the gist of them and usually break at least 30% of them using their pliers on the tails to reef them off, now I take them all off before I take the vehicle for a service.
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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2013, 05:34:24 PM »
Quote from: swannie on December 27, 2013, 03:18:46 PM
Wow main thing is you and others on the road weren't injured. Very lucky mate
Swannie
X2 on above....

Have several friends Patrols that have done the same thing,  not all had recent tyre changes either, one was many months after anyone had been near the tyres. Hope Santa bought you some new undies after that ride.
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Re: Bugger.....3 wheels on my wagon.
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2013, 05:35:55 PM »
Man that was very lucky. I bet a change of undies was required along with the wheel nuts  ;D

A mate had a wheel from his campertrailer overtake him as he was going over the Mooney Mooney bridge on the F3 a coue if years ago. The wheel ended bouncing over the safety fence into the southbound lanes and then over the bridge. They were very lucky.
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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2013, 06:10:16 PM »

Geez you were lucky Bazz.  The same thing happened to a friend of mine on a similar road an and at the same speed.  Fortunately they stayed the right way up and were ok.

Did the sheared off studs that you found still have the nuts on them and were the nuts in their original tightened position?  Nuts can certainly come loose if they are not tightened correctly but overloaded studs can also break.  My mate had a staggering amount of weight on the back of his, including a heavy camper trailer, and your car looks like it has its fair share of it. 

He now uses a tension wrench but I would not be surprised if it happens again.  The studs are not indestructible.
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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2013, 07:55:23 PM »
So what is the actual problem with the Nissan alloys?  Do the nuts work loose or do the studs snap?
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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2013, 08:07:53 PM »
On ours it was the nut not being centred properly on the alloy. There is an inner part on the wheel and if the nut is not centred it moves until it does and then eventually sheers the studs off. :'(
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« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2013, 12:17:50 AM »
Not an unknown issue on Trols unfortunately, although in over 300,000 km in three different Trols, I didn't experience it first hand.
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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2013, 06:10:42 AM »
l know what you got for Xmas , Good Luck so it seems  :cheers:
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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2013, 06:12:50 AM »
Sorry to hear about your misfortune, well done keeping it shiny side up.

Given the regular occurrence of this maybe we should just say 'It's a Patrol thing' :cheers:
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Re: Bugger.....3 wheels on my wagon.
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2013, 06:15:04 AM »
Quote from: D4D on December 28, 2013, 06:12:50 AM
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Given the regular occurrence of this maybe we should just say 'It's a Patrol thing' :cheers:

It's not just Patrols, but they do feature far too prominently....... >:(

Steel wheels are good.
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« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2013, 07:59:21 AM »
Kenny Rodgers did a song about this i think.....

"You picked a fine time to leave me loose wheel"....

I'll bet you don't even try to wash the undies out.... they'll be a throw away item now.
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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2013, 09:22:13 AM »
No good mate. Glad you and the family are all safe. Lucky there was no oncoming car or worse truck by the looks of it.
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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2013, 10:29:31 AM »
Jeeeez how lucky, a timely reminder for GU owners with alloys.

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« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2013, 10:45:03 AM »
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Jeeeez how lucky, a timely reminder for GU owners with alloys to call me and I'll get you some steelies at the right price.
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« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2013, 10:53:03 AM »
also lucky you didn't start a fire with all that dry grass..

would have just needed a small spark.. or even just ya hot exhaust.

take care.


what would ahve been the cause of the lost wheel? broken studs, loose wheel nuts,

and would they have broken cos of over tighten the nuts?


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