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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2013, 07:25:08 AM »
I know when I drove from NT to WA there was a sign that showed cars towing a trailer the speed was 100 and 110 for cars.
Not far down the road after passing this sign, I had a car towing a trailer pass me doing  over the 100, but I came around the next corner and he was stopped with the police writing him out a ticket. ;D

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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2013, 08:10:45 AM »
Did a couple of checks of legislation.

The Australian Road Rules say you can travel at whatever the sign says except if you are a bus with a GVM over 5T or another vehicle with a GVM over 12T then it is a max of 100kph.

Qld and NT road rules say the same.

WA says if towing a trailer it is a max of 100kph.

Got bored and didn't check the other states.

So much for me thinking there were uniform road rules.  Would be an interesting one for an interstater to challenge in a WA court though.

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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2013, 08:13:11 AM »
i drive to the road conditions when towing
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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2013, 08:18:20 AM »
Kingbilly I think you will find the Australian road rules from 2000 will refer mostly to such things as Give Way, controlled intersections, merging and overtaking. Each state then has its own legislation which governs speed limits, BAC, parking, vehicle modifications etc etc etc.

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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2013, 08:22:10 AM »
According to these two articles, one from NSW Gov web site and one from caravan world, indicates that for vehicles under 4.5t the speed limit is whatever is posted. For over 4.5tonne, it's 100km/hr.
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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2013, 08:28:51 AM »
In Victoria you can tow at the posted speed limit  :police:
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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2013, 08:35:18 AM »
just thought i would ask the question........on another forum caravaners or anybody not travelling at the posted limit are copping a pasting

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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2013, 08:38:27 AM »
Kingbilly I think you will find the Australian road rules from 2000 will refer mostly to such things as Give Way, controlled intersections, merging and overtaking. Each state then has its own legislation which governs speed limits, BAC, parking, vehicle modifications etc etc etc.

Whilst the Australian Road Rules have no legislative effect themselves, each of the states and territories have included these road rules in their own state leglistaion.  And yes, the Aust Rules Rules cover speed limits.  Whilst the rules were initially developed in1999, there have been several amendments, the latest being in July this year.  Obviously WA has seen fit to include an additional rule restricting vehicles towing a trailer to a maximum of 100kph.  As I said, it would be an intersting challenge in a court.

SA has adopted the Aust Road Rules.

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« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2013, 08:40:28 AM »
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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2013, 08:48:05 AM »
I have just completed my Heavy Vehicle Drivers Knowledge test and any vehicle in NSW with a GVM over 4.5T is restricted to a maximum of 100Kph. Even got that question in the test and got it right!

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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2013, 08:51:55 AM »
X 2.  The limit is a maximum not a minimum.  Drive safely at a speed that is comfortable for you and your vehicle, be considerate of other road users, and enjoy your trip!

Can't go wrong following this advice  ;D

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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2013, 09:15:55 AM »
I have just completed my Heavy Vehicle Drivers Knowledge test and any vehicle in NSW with a GVM over 4.5T is restricted to a maximum of 100Kph. Even got that question in the test and got it right!


I stand corrected.  Looked up the wrong link.  This is the correct link for NSW http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/viewtop/inforce/subordleg+179+2008+cd+0+N/?autoquery=(Content%3D((%22speed%20limit%22)))%20AND%20((Type%3D%22act%22%20AND%20Repealed%3D%22N%22)%20OR%20(Type%3D%22subordleg%22%20AND%20Repealed%3D%22N%22))%20AND%20(%22Historical%20Document%22%3D%220%22)&dq=Document%20Types%3D%22%3Cspan%20class%3D%22dq%22%3EActs%3C%2Fspan%3E,%20%3Cspan%20class%3D%22dq%22%3ERegs%3C%2Fspan%3E%22,%20Exact%20Phrase%3D%22%3Cspan%20class%3D%22dq%22%3Espeed%20limit%3C%2Fspan%3E%22,%20Search%20In%3D%22%3Cspan%20class%3D%22dq%22%3EText%3C%2Fspan%3E%22&fullquery=(((%22speed%20limit%22)))

But, no mention of restricted speeds for towing a trailer as per the original discussion unless of course the combination of vehicle and trailer exceeds 4.5T.

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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2013, 09:27:02 AM »
Three "opinions" on speed limits when towing.  Any of you three care to quote some legislation to back up your claims?  I thought Australia had uniform road rules.

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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2013, 09:44:14 AM »

i'm a firm beleiver in travel at whatever speed you like, just maintain the same speed when it comes an opportunity for people to overtake ie...don't speed up at overtaking lanes people  >:( >:(
i myself tow at atleast the speed limit most of the time, nothing ****s me more then fools speeding up when you overtake them with a trailer on the back or having them suddenly speed up when the overtaking lane starts. if i get on a windy or steep road and see someone being held up behind me, i will try and move over somewhere to let them get past, it's just common curtisy IMHO.

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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2013, 10:49:22 AM »

But, no mention of restricted speeds for towing a trailer as per the original discussion unless of course the combination of vehicle and trailer exceeds 4.5T.

KB

I reckon many of us would be surpisingly close to or even over that 4.5t mark.

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« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2013, 11:16:55 AM »
I reckon many of us would be surpisingly close to or even over that 4.5t mark.
Dead right, I've just thought about it for a second: cruiser at max load 3300kg, GS fully loaded 1550kg, hmmm the math is pretty straight forward. And its NEVER occurred to me to check interstate laws. I have to agree with KB's train of thought: there should be just one set of road rules/laws for Australia. It's not like we get stopped at a state border or anything. I really feel for transport drivers going interstate all the time. I think MarkGU does a bit of this sort of thing.

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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2013, 11:20:56 AM »
If you save $50 a day towing at 90, think of your savings if you towed at 70!



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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2013, 11:24:40 AM »
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So much for me thinking there were uniform road rules
I thought you were taking the piss when you said that... :o
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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2013, 11:33:19 AM »
Dead right, I've just thought about it for a second: cruiser at max load 3300kg, GS fully loaded 1550kg, hmmm the math is pretty straight forward. And its NEVER occurred to me to check interstate laws. I have to agree with KB's train of thought: there should be just one set of road rules/laws for Australia. It's not like we get stopped at a state border or anything. I really feel for transport drivers going interstate all the time. I think MarkGU does a bit of this sort of thing.

Are we talking GVM or GCM? A light vehicle is upto 4.5t GVM in Victoria.

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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2013, 11:48:01 AM »
Dead right, I've just thought about it for a second: cruiser at max load 3300kg, GS fully loaded 1550kg, hmmm the math is pretty straight forward. And its NEVER occurred to me to check interstate laws. I have to agree with KB's train of thought: there should be just one set of road rules/laws for Australia. It's not like we get stopped at a state border or anything. I really feel for transport drivers going interstate all the time. I think MarkGU does a bit of this sort of thing.

Funny you say that NBD....

Being a trucky and on the management team for transport law in our business can tell you that the powers that be are slowly aligning laws between states, you'll notice the law in Queensland has introduced 4x4 regulations more inline with NSW (tire size, lift height etc) Trucks will also follow one set of rules Nationwide eventually but like any qov dep this stuff take years if not decades to finalize, they are the red tape kings after all.

Unfortunately Queensland is the state still in the dark ages when it comes down to it, this state is the one that needs to catch up, however don't tell them that, they think the rest of the world follows their transport model - self proclaimed "Smart State" funniest thing since NSW said they would win origin this year.

As for speed limits, you can actually get fined for going too slow - it's more about driving etiquette than a set minimum speed, like whats being discussed in this thread previously, as long as you yield to traffic you can comfortably sit on 80 in a 100 zone, if however you constantly drive below this (example only) say 60-70 in a 100 zone expect to get a ticket.

Like running an amber light it's at the enforcement officers discretion if you are issued a fine or a warning

Bare in mind driving 30% below the speed limit is considered dangerous driving and accidents DO happen because of it, I've seen it all too many times.

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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #45 on: October 15, 2013, 12:05:18 PM »
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As for speed limits, you can actually get fined for going too slow
while your are correct, you can imagine the outcry "I was driving safely for the conditions blah blah blah".
more chance of people being fined for not keeping left than too slow, and that hasnt happened in 500,000,000 years.
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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #46 on: October 15, 2013, 12:14:28 PM »
agreed, I've not heard of it for awhile but it does happen - mate of mine got fined for it..... more for being inconsiderate but there is no fine for that.
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« Reply #47 on: October 15, 2013, 12:16:55 PM »
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ie...don't speed up at overtaking lanes people  >:( >:(
that is the killer for me..  Why do they do it? up to 130-150kph just to slow down to 80-90 after the lane closes out and then block everyone behind them for another 20 klms.
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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #48 on: October 15, 2013, 12:27:57 PM »
You know I think I know why it happens......

People feel safer with more shoulder around them, 2 lanes gives you the mental feeling of space where as a single lane is almost confining - bet half of them dont even know they do it
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Re: Is it expected we tow our camper at the speed limit??
« Reply #49 on: October 15, 2013, 12:52:28 PM »
Tow at whatever speed you feel comfortable with - that is your right as a driver to keep everyone safe.   Only you know how safe you feel!

But FFS - if you're traveling slower than the speed limit keep a good eye on what's going on behind you and let people pass wherever and whenever you can - that's courtesy and will be appreciated.   

Even if you're traveling at or near the speed limit do the same.   It's not up to you to slow someone else down who might be traveling over the limit - that's their problem!
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