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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2013, 09:27:15 PM »
Boundaries. Yep.
Turning off the WiFi was probably the most persuasive way of getting the point across.

2 daughters. 15 year old loves the camping, the fishing and plays a mean game of golf.
How about that?

18 year old was a bit different.
Phone went in my pocket a few times and the Wifi died once. Once only.
She deferred Uni for this year and now has her own car, pays for her phone although the WiFi still comes out of my pocket.
2 days after she turned 18 she arrived home with a..

Tattoo. :-[

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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2013, 05:03:15 AM »
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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2013, 05:21:12 AM »
G'day Mark,
Yep, We know what you are going through, Re my thread about a month ago "How to have your daughters scream that they hate you".
Our near 15 year old is doing my head in with their obsession with Mobile Phone, Facebook, and the other chat sites that kids use.
Hardly has a word to say to us unless they want something.
I have got no idea what the answer is ???
We try talking to her, but she gets all defensive, telling us there is nothing to do.
If I find an answer to this, I will make sure I let you know mate.

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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2013, 05:49:30 AM »
I noticed a change in my 14 year old daughter when she started her first part time job a few weeks back, she now has her own bank account and money and feels real important I even let her go out on a lunch date with her first pay and the smile on her face when she chose the restaurant and picked the meal for us was priceless, just that little bit of responsibility that she now has has got rid of alot of her attitude. She has respected the rules that xxx amount of her pay gets banked and she can spend the rest in which she also spends it on her sisters as well.
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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2013, 06:24:00 AM »
My sister is having similar issues to Lost with her son. She has enrolled him into Timbertop next year to 'sort' him out, should be interesting to see if there is any change.
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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2013, 06:27:27 AM »
G'day Mark,
Yep, We know what you are going through, Re my thread about a month ago "How to have your daughters scream that they hate you".
Our near 15 year old is doing my head in with their obsession with Mobile Phone, Facebook, and the other chat sites that kids use.
Hardly has a word to say to us unless they want something.
I have got no idea what the answer is ???
We try talking to her, but she gets all defensive, telling us there is nothing to do.
If I find an answer to this, I will make sure I let you know mate.

 :cheers:






Give them nothing and if they want, then they get a part time job. :cheers:
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I said to my 18 y.o. son, if he passes VCE with reasonable grades and is accepted in Uni he will be going to New York and DisneyWorld etc. so hopefully he will pull his finger out and do ok.
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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2013, 06:43:03 AM »
Give them nothing and if they want, then they get a part time job. :cheers:
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One of the disadvantages of living in a small town is the prospect of work for our kids.
Their are two businesses in town, A Pub & a General Store.
Grafton is 30k's away and Maclean is 12k's(a half our drive), hmmm,
Different when we were kids(32 odd years ago) and get a job as a Paperboy or clean stables at the racetrack or there were many cnr stores in Ballina at the time that were always chasing kids to work a couple of hours of an afternoon or Saturday morning.
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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2013, 06:46:32 AM »
Mark,

don't stress mate, she is a good kid and seams to have her head screwed on properly. You guys have obviously done something right, trust your gut.

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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2013, 07:11:05 AM »
Mark,

Just to back up JK and Craig, as someone who has spent some time with your family as well as spent some time trying to teach Livvy geometry I think whatever you are currently doing is working.  She's a great kid and I'm sure she will turn out fine.  As you know I'm not a parent so can't speak from experience but for what it's worth remember you only really have another 4 years and she will be in charge of her own life.  Make them count!

I said to my 18 y.o. son, if he passes VCE with reasonable grades and is accepted in Uni he will be going to New York and DisneyWorld etc. so hopefully he will pull his finger out and do ok.

As I said above, I'm not a parent, but to me what you are doing there isn't what I would do.  University isn't for everyone, and you don't need a university degree to have a happy and successful life.  From being at uni I saw lots of kids drop out in their first year as they were 'pushed' into it from their parents, only to find they aren't cut out for it, or it isn't what they enjoy doing.  Once they drop out then they really hit rock bottom, all their aspirations are gone, and they have to go through that process of trying to find something else to do.  Some cope better with that than others.

Mind you, some of the most amazing people I know have changed careers several times through their life!

I'm sure your son has something he enjoys doing, just let him do that and hope he finds someone to pay him to do it.  If that something needs university education then that is already the motivation he needs.  Go on the holiday anyway and have a great time.
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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2013, 07:39:11 AM »
My two girls are in their mid twenties so my two bobs worth, is its ok to lose a few battles as long as you win the war and listen to them, its amazing what you learn

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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2013, 08:18:53 AM »
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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2013, 08:46:14 AM »
With a little patience and a few beers I'm sure you'll get through it Mark  ;D , if need be Mr McGirr and I can sit her down and set her straight  ::)

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From one parent to another, teenagers go through another world we don't understand, their words.  Be there if she needs help but don't try and control her life. It is hard trying to do this perfectly and you won't. It is a phase they go through and they do come out the other side ok.

There is no perfect way to parent just do your best. You guys will work it out.

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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2013, 09:51:08 AM »
Mark,

We have gone through this with our eldest son (now 21), the second son (now 19) was way easier and the third is 13 and we just know she will be trouble.

We tried the contract thing with the eldest, but in relation to particular issues such as his dog, use of the car etc.. Didn't work out too well in the end, basically because we didn't stick with the contract either. The problem with the dog was I fell in love with it as well and he knew any threats to get rid of the dog were hollow, that is until the dog detroyed LB's childhood soft toy. He still has the dog, the poor thing has moved houses more times than me.

In the end they will turn out OK, even our eldest is going OK now. As I have said recently in another thread, peer group is vital to their development. We stuffed the eldest by letting him change schools from the local Catholic School which maintained rules and boundries (he was top two or three in every class) to the local sports high school where he was considered a "chosen one" and got away with blue murder. He ended up finishing school but would not sit the HSC exams, now he has found out the hard way what he should have done.

Follow your instincts and as someone else said, apologies when you get it wrong (I have become very good at that). They begin thinking that they are king **** when you apoligies to them, but soon learn it is a sign of respect and too take it the way it was intended.

Also as Simon said, Uni isn't for everyone. This is a hard one for me to learn as both my parents and my sister went to Uni and I was expected to as well. I became the family dunce because I didn't go to Uni. I have now realised it si more important to support the kids in what they want to do, suggesting alternative ways to accomplish their goals if needs be, than expect them to do something.

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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2013, 10:07:14 AM »
Hey Mark, only met your family briefly but you all made an obvious impression as being a fun, loving family.  Don't over think things too much and certainly don't stress or get hung up about the little things.  I worried like hell when our daughter, now almost 19, hit that age.  Sure we made some rules, like no TV, no phone etc, unless all homework is done and although there were a couple of challenges along the way, it all worked out just fine.  The important thing is to stay friends with her and always reinforce that she can come and talk at any time and you won't judge her, just offer advice.

Dad's have to suck it up some times.  Thier little girls do grow up  :D

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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2013, 10:51:58 AM »
Hi Mark

I was a first time dad at 47, so it was a steep learning curve for me. We have two daughters 13 and 17 and they are both great kids, if you can call the older one a kid. Here are a couple of pointers that we have learned, in no particular order of importance:

1. Remember that there is a fair bit of hormonal and social stuff going with her - all of which, as a bloke, is way above your pay scale. So, if you on the receiving end of bad behaviour (from the eye-roll to the screaming match to the door slam), remember this: IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU.

2. Talk to her, never patronise her, treat her like you would an adult and try to never raise your voice. The last is a particularly hard ask.

3. You are her parent, not her friend. It's impossible to always be both.

4. Stop buying or paying for her clothes. Agree on a realistic annual clothing allowance (maybe $350-$500 at age 14) and let her manage her own clothes money in a dedicated account. If she blows the lot and ends up in rags, that's her problem. Increase the allowance each year. We did that from age 12 - with the allowance paid on their birthday. It shows them you trust them and respect their judgement. We pay for school stuff and the odd special treat. The downside is that, at every country town we pass through, we have to stop at the local Vinnies and shop for "cool" clothes. I grin and bare it.

5. One unbreakable rule is about going out and she must be able to answer these four questions at all times:
Where are you? Who are you with? What are you doing? How and when will you be getting home?
If she is going to be late, she calls you 30 minutes before due-home-time and you have the option to pick her up. At 14, she should always be in the house before it gets dark, if she it out on her own.

6. Always be available for a quiet yarn, even if it means turning off the footie. Treasure those moments. Try not to give advice unless invited. Ask questions instead.

7. Get to know and enjoy her friends and always make them welcome in your home.

8. The ultimate sanction is "grounding" for a few days or a week or more. Our record is four weeks for a massive Facebook indiscretion. No electronic gadgets, computer only for school work, no outings, no friends in the house, no TV, all meals taken in their room. Pocket money is cancelled, but held over and paid later if they behave well during grounding. If she has a part time job, you pick her up and deliver her. It's harsh but it does work - more in threat than execution.

9. Always try to eat dinner as a family and let everyone have equal time talking.

10. Contracts are a waste of time.
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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2013, 11:32:41 AM »

Dad's have to suck it up some times.  Their little girls do grow up  :D


I think this is the key to it. We have a 15 y/o girl that some of you have met. She is a great kid but like most girls this age she has the huge expectations of the freedom, clothes, boyfriends, outings and that bottomless money pit of wanting everything and that money grows on trees.

We had to choose our battles. She has a certain amount on her phone and if she doesn't use it wisely then she does without until the next month. She gets a certain amount of pocket money for the week for school. If she wants to go out with friends she has times set for when she has to be home (no evening outings). She always has to tell us who she is going with and where, and that she must answer her phone if we call her. Get to know her friends that she hangs out with and their parents. You learn a lot about your child by the company they choose to keep.We allow her to invite her girlfriends over to our house when we are home (but she always asks first), and we sometimes take a friend of hers away with us when we go camping, down to the beach house, out for dinner etc.

We do still get the occasional arguments about "I am a teenager so why can't I go" but she accepts our answer much easier as she sees we try and be fair about the freedom we give her relevant to her age and at the end of the day we are concerned about her and her well being and not keeping up with the latest fad.

She has had boyfriends that she has been allowed to catch up with during the day in public places, (much to my dislike) but I though it's better I know something and can control the contact to a certain degree, rather than fooling myself into thinking she doesn't and thus know nothing, and her sneaking around as I think that would be worse.

We found that by building a positive relationship with her, she excepts our response a little easier even though it may not be the answer she was hoping for.Accepting that they are growing up is the hardest thing and the first hurdle we as parents need to overcome, and if the kids can see we are prepared to cut them more slack as they get older and are prepared to negotiate to a certain degree then they generally are prepared to negotiate their expectations.

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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #41 on: October 13, 2013, 11:34:54 AM »
It's simple, be their parent not their friend. Set the boundaries early and ensure they have strong support/ mentors that aren't you. I don't care to be their friend, they have plenty of friends,My kids are only young so my thinking might change as they get older. But there is a few on here that have met my boys also, they are well adjusted. Myself on the other hand maybe not:)
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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #42 on: October 13, 2013, 01:28:51 PM »
"Has anyone else done this, and does it work ?"

I figure with the daughter at 25 and finishing uni soon, in about another 5 yrs or so I should be free of the conditions I was set after we discussed it all like mature adults back when she was a teenager. The boyfriend thinks she's amazing and I'm looking forward to him being amazed for the rest of his days too.

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« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2013, 01:33:12 PM »
I should add through all this I've come around to a much greater appreciation of the ancient dowry system  :cheers:
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« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2013, 01:49:49 PM »
The other thing to consider is schooling.

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A vast majority of influence comes from school - (7hrs a day?).  If you get the correct school environment you reduce the negative influences that you end up fighting at night.

Ours go to a small local christian school where the focus is on the school community and behaviours.  Ratbags and trouble makers are simply not  tolerated and are moved on quick smart if they step outside the guidelines and choose not to play by the rules.

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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2013, 02:11:10 PM »
My opinion for what it is worth, would be a bit out date as boy is 26 is girl 24. 

I know we all want the best for our children and want to be the best parents for our children and sometime to be the best we have to learn to say NO and our children need to learn NO.

The big thing to remember each family is different and each sibling is different, some will be perfect kids all their live and others are the devil reincarnate.

It has been my experience with my own kids and more so with other families I came in contact with through work if you are having problems with your teenage child, you are going to have problems until they leave home.  How you handle the situation only determines how quick or later they leave home. 

There is no hard and fast set rule and the more set rules there are the easier it is to have a failure.  Plans need to be flexible, your kids owe you nothing and you are financially accountable for your children until they are 25 yrs old.   

I remember seeing a quote somewhere on the Internet that read similar to "Don't hold a teenage back before they forget everything", but it could also be ' Hire a Teenager While They Still Know Everything'
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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #46 on: October 13, 2013, 03:20:08 PM »
Ours go to a small local christian school where the focus is on the school community and behaviours.  Ratbags and trouble makers are simply not  tolerated and are moved on quick smart if they step outside the guidelines and choose not to play by the rules.

I went to a catholic high school.  What those good catholic girls did outside of school hours would make your blood boil.  I think the behaviours at home carry more weight than those at school.
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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2013, 04:08:40 PM »


There is no hard and fast set rule and the more set rules there are the easier it is to have a failure.  Plans need to be flexible, your kids owe you nothing and you are financially accountable for your children until they are 25 yrs old.   

Dont tell me this Al, i was hoping it would be 16 !!!!!!......... :'(
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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2013, 05:17:20 PM »
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Re: Anyone tried behavior contracts with a teenage girl ?
« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2013, 05:31:49 PM »

There is no hard and fast set rule and the more set rules there are the easier it is to have a failure.  Plans need to be flexible, your kids owe you nothing and you are financially accountable for your children until they are 25 yrs old.   

Dont tell me this Al, i was hoping it would be 16 !!!!!!......... :'(
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Yep 25 Kev
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