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I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« on: October 03, 2013, 01:17:51 PM »
I was proven wrong

Driving home with the camper from Dongara we were following a Nissan Patrol with a kimberly camper behind up a hill both of us on around 90kph and then.....

Bang and the most black smoke i have ever seen out of a tail pipe i mean i first thought he had a fire in the back. Pulled over to see if he was OK and the poor bastard was just about in tears. I dont know what went but even with the engine off there was smoke weeping out the tail pipe
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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2013, 01:19:31 PM »
its ok, they fixed it in the 2018 model.
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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2013, 02:55:28 PM »
In Fairness... the 'grenade' problems are pretty much gone from when the CRD motor was introduced (2005?)

The only time you run into the overboosting etc on the CRD motors is when you start modifying it (exhaust, chip etc) which is easily avoided with some other modifications.


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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2013, 03:12:50 PM »

its ok, they fixed it in the 2018 model.


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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2013, 03:15:01 PM »
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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2013, 05:11:03 PM »
I will show this to a mate who has one and thinks it won't happen to him, maybe now he will listen and install the anti grenade devices ie exhaust temp gauge etc
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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2013, 05:47:08 PM »
Poor Bugger.  Unfortunately this is what happens when you try to extract this much power from one of these 3L wonderdiesels, they tend to be a bit high strung.  I have a 1KZ-TE (96kw stock, 112 with the DTRONIC chip): not regarded as any sort of powerhouse,  and it constantly surprises me with the EGT/temps it can produce.  I can't recommend enough the fitting of EGT/boost/coolant temp gauges so you can see what is going on inside.  One dalliance with 14psi  of boost took the cylinder head out on mine immediately.

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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2013, 08:16:24 PM »
In Fairness... the 'grenade' problems are pretty much gone from when the CRD motor was introduced (2005?)

The only time you run into the overboosting etc on the CRD motors is when you start modifying it (exhaust, chip etc) which is easily avoided with some other modifications.

They may have got the problem a bit more under control, but the CRDI ones are still not immune to it.....I know of 2 people who have the CRDI and have had the same old piston problem !!
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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2013, 09:30:53 PM »
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Unfortunately this is what happens when you try to extract this much power from one of these 3L wonderdiesels, they tend to be a bit high strung.
These are usually bog stock... no exhaust no chip no nothing.

The most Shit thing is Nissans response from day 1 to the whole issue over years.

There was a bloke on patrol forum whose blew up on way home from buying it used (theres been a dozen or more on Ebay in the years too)..

He had a $35,000 block of Shit in the driveway... he sold it on ebay for $8,000 as he couldn't afford the repairs.. They should never have let the issue get this bad for that long.

One massive fix was to cut the dipstick shorter so you put more oil in it... :(
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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2013, 09:37:04 PM »
I will show this to a mate who has one and thinks it won't happen to him, maybe now he will listen and install the anti grenade devices ie exhaust temp gauge etc

Tell him to head over to the patrol forum mate. Plenty of stories over there,and a great source on 'nads' also, but even that is still not a 100% given that everything will be fine. I have the Zd30di and I know one day it will happen, but the car was also in my price bracket at the time, ( I'm not rich enough to own a landcruiser  ;D ;D). Lol

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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2013, 11:22:54 PM »

In Fairness... the 'grenade' problems are pretty much gone from when the CRD motor was introduced (2005?)

The only time you run into the overboosting etc on the CRD motors is when you start modifying it (exhaust, chip etc) which is easily avoided with some other modifications.

Not having a personal attack here but when these posts appear those fence sitters who like the ruggedness of the patrol and the cheap price of the 3lt and we're not sure May be swayed to by one.

The engine is crap.  Full stop.  End of story.  Why bother taking the risk if you don't already have one?

If your at the pub and your drunk mate starts chatting up the local drunk skank bike you look after him and gently lead him away. Same with 3L patrols.

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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2013, 12:45:18 AM »
its ok, they fixed it in the 2018 model.

You really need a talk back show  ;D
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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2013, 05:56:49 AM »
, ( I'm not rich enough to own a landcruiser  ;D ;D). Lol

 :cheers:

Are you rich enough to afford a new engine?  :D

Unfortunately the 'old wives tales' are in fact true.
But a Patrol with a blown donk is a good place to install an LSX or a GM diesel   ;D


and: well said dazzler!
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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2013, 07:17:38 AM »
I knew what I was buying.

 gee tee,(I was having a laugh) I also said at the time it fitted my price range, it has a new motor, it may still blow, If it does, I will cross that bridge then.  It my be replaced with another 3l, I can get new long motor for 7g not 12, or I might go stuff it, and drop a duramax in it. But in the mean time it does what it needs to do.

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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2013, 08:05:45 AM »
Yeah this happened to me in the middle of Kakadu. NOT fun. the only time i had no phone signal and no one on the 2 way.
we ended up getting picked up by a Japanese Toyota sales rep. couldn't speak much English. but told me to buy a land cruiser....
Engine revved to 4000rpm wouldn't stop, smoke everywhere and i managed to stop it but too late cracked pistons block etc...
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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2013, 08:39:57 AM »
I knew what I was buying.

 gee tee,(I was having a laugh) I also said at the time it fitted my price range, it has a new motor, it may still blow, If it does, I will cross that bridge then.  It my be replaced with another 3l, I can get new long motor for 7g not 12, or I might go stuff it, and drop a duramax in it. But in the mean time it does what it needs to do.

Cheers

yeah oldmate I knew you were wearing a grin - hence my smiley in my post.

But unfortunately for many others who buy a Nissan based on price, there is little reason to smile  :(

 

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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2013, 08:51:33 AM »
Well that's crossed the Patrol off my list finally.

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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2013, 09:05:37 AM »
I have just bought a new GU Patrol which we pick up in a fortnight and did so knowing "the risk". Ultimately each car has "risk" of a problem somewhere and it is an each to their own decision. Here is my thought process.

Google any car and you will read about problems if it isn't engines it is drivetrain or something else. My other hobby is motorsport and it is not dissimilar to the Subaru STI (grenade) engines versus Mitsubishi Evo drivetrain but I am still yet to pop my Subie despite the amount of time it has spent on track. I figured with the Patrol I would run the 'gamble' on the 3L CRD over the Cruiser Diffs & IFS axles/CV joints as examples. Reading the Patrol4x4 forum the CRD grenade issues don't seem to be prevalent like the early DIDs with many achieving high mileage and they have been around for approximately 5 years now.

My family has owned about 7 patrols over the years and other than some clutch issues in one that were resolved under warranty we have never had a problem with any of them, granted most were GQs with the TD42. The last one was a 2004 DID that spent the first 5 years of its life doing 60% of its km with 3.5t worth of boat behind it. It then spent most of its weekends 20m from the waters edge at the boat ramp getting covered in salt spray. The last few years it spent parked in the driveway exposed to the elements as newer cars took priority. After all this it had no rust something that can't be said for the hiluxes & cruisers we have had in much shorter time frames. It was sold, same day as listed, about 12 months ago without having had one issue ever and for $30k which makes for only a 40% depreciation over 8 years. As a grenade it was a let down, as an 4wd it has probably been the most practical, competent and economical allrounder we've ever had.

For this purchase I wanted to have something (preferably with solid axles all round) that could tow, be very competent offroad and still be comfortable to drive on a day to day basis. I looked with absolute open mind at cruisers both 70 & 200, Prado, Wrangler, Grand Cherokee and settled back on the Patrol. The thing that came closest was the 200 series with some Altitudes floating around for high $80k as the likely model to settle on. I opted against it as 'round town' driving is minimal for us and for the price difference between it and a Patrol we could buy a new VW golf GTI as a buzz around car. It also means I don't have to risk or scratch up the best part of six figures whilst 4wding.

Something else that should be remembered is registration costs which doesn't affect NSW. In Qld though, rego is based on number of cylinders not GVM and so a CRD Patrol costs the same as a Yaris whereas something like the cruiser V8 costs considerably more.
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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2013, 10:19:44 AM »
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or I might go stuff it, and drop a duramax in it.
just dont get it fitted by the "expert" bloke in Qld... Vinces with 3 states of tune upto a *detuned* 300rwkw sounds great, but ask him - the whole thing has been a ****in nightmare including catching fire, and a gearbox going south.
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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2013, 04:18:00 PM »
Not having a personal attack here but when these posts appear those fence sitters who like the ruggedness of the patrol and the cheap price of the 3lt and we're not sure May be swayed to by one.

The engine is crap.  Full stop.  End of story.  Why bother taking the risk if you don't already have one?

If your at the pub and your drunk mate starts chatting up the local drunk skank bike you look after him and gently lead him away. Same with 3L patrols.

:)

Let me guess you have never owned one but know everything about them i'm guessing...!!!!

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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2013, 04:27:26 PM »
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Let me guess you have never owned one but know everything about them i'm guessing...!!!!
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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2013, 04:33:35 PM »
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Like mine...
difference is he was smart enough to understand the risks and ran like ****.
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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2013, 04:38:48 PM »
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difference is he was smart enough to understand the risks and ran like ****.

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Re: I thought the Hand Grenade stories were wives tales
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2013, 06:13:49 PM »
But a Patrol with a blown donk is a good place to install an LSX or a GM diesel   ;D

May I ask what a LSX donk is, I just googled it and found too many answers to figure out what it is.
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