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How do you get good at house painting?
« on: September 18, 2013, 10:47:58 AM »
I want to paint the inside of the house, but the cost of hiring a painter at this time of year is prohibitive.

I got quoted $2500 to paint 2 bathroom ceilings and a garage cieling. Both bathrooms are approx 2.5m x 3.5m and the existing paint job is flaking so sanding is needed. The single car garage is unpainted plaster at present. That quote included $500 in materials, which i calculate at being approx 10 * 4L tins, which seems a lot of paint hey.

I do reasonably well on the walls, but I really struggle with ceilings. What's the best way to learn/practice ceiling painting? My house has regular 8-foot ceilings. 

Also, what's the best way to paint skirting boards when there is already carpet against them? Don't want to rip up the carpet, its only 1 year old. I usually skip them and just do the walls but in this case i need to the skirting boards.

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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2013, 11:07:47 AM »
Mate its not that hard. Just cut in your cornices and go for it with the roller as you would the walls but use a flat ceiling paint.

As for the skirts, if it was me id take them off to paint them.
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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2013, 11:08:05 AM »
The best way is to get another quote.
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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2013, 11:12:07 AM »
The best way is to get another quote.
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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2013, 11:19:13 AM »
As for the skirts, if it was me id take them off to paint them.

What's the best way to get them off without?

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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2013, 11:41:21 AM »
When we painted throughout, I left the tricky jobs to the wife, she's got a whole lot more patience than me......


But, seriously, you can do it yourself for much, much, less.
We took our time, prepared properly whicht is the only way, and just relaxed and did it.

It was hard up and down the work platform, and the ladder, but well worth it for the savings.
We bought 4l tins which are more expensive than the bigger 10l ones, but easier to manage.
There's a great ceiling paint, goes on pink, drys white.

If we were to do it again, which I'm sure we will, I'd be using that paint.

Bought good quality brushes and rollers, and looked after them. Drop shelter everything, and taped up the delicate bits.
You can cut in around the cornices, with angle brush and iroller the rest.

As for the skirtings, dont remove them, you can tape up and prepare better and brush them.

Remember, a good point I finally learned after quite some time.

'Don't look too closely. You'll drive yourself mad, just step back and look at the whole job. I used to get hung uo in doing the minute areas like door frames, and wanted them perfect.
Everybody that cane round I asked if they could see the mistake, all said it was great and never noticed it.
I did, because I was inches away and looking at it.

Another trick we did was go and look at new houses and show homes. Then we went back hone and realised we weren't doing such a bad job after all.
Intact, in many we looked at, we realised we took more care and attention. Probably because we were doing it ourselves, for ourselves.

Prep is the key, do.t start painting till its all done and done properly.

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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2013, 11:42:26 AM »
What's the best way to get them off without?

Its a bit hard to say without looking at them in your particular situation but in the past i have taken mine off by getting something under them and giving them a little tweak where the nails go in and then using a scraper or something in behind them from the top and gentle pry them off the wall with out damaging the wall but once again its hard to say if you can do that in your case. You might need to slide a scraper or something in from the top to gently separate them them a touch from the wall first for instance?
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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2013, 12:08:14 PM »
Use an enamel undercoat and top coat for the bathroom ceilings. Plastic won't last in the steam.

Haymes make a flat white enamel.
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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2013, 12:11:52 PM »

I will do it for $1000. Just make sure there is nothing in the room the big spray gun will hit. ;D

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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2013, 12:33:43 PM »
Ceilings are easy to paint. If in doubt mask up the cornice/wall junction with the blue painters masking tape. If I am doing a whole room I won't mask this bit as I paint the ceiling and cornices first then it is an easy cut in for the walls. As cruisindub mentioned the Dulux ceiling paint that goes on pink and dries white is excellent.

Also I don't recommend water based enamel for the timberwork. The coverage is crap. It takes two coats of primer and 2 of colour to get a half decent job and it doesn't wear well.
Don't remove the skirting. A lot of it is finger jointed pine or MDF these days and it will come apart damaged too easy if you try to remove then when you re-install you will need to fill the nail holes and paint these anyway.
To paint the skirting mask the wall and I use a 300-400mm wall paper scraper blade from Bunnings with a yellow handle to place down between the carpet and skirting. You may need to wipe the edge of the scraper every now and then but it isn't a bad thing.

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As others have said buy good gear if you can and look after it. Again from Bunnings a paint scraper with a scallop in it is good for scraping excess paint out of your roller when you have finished. Also buy a roller extension handle approx. 1500mm for walls and ceiling.
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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2013, 12:55:39 PM »
Find the episode of Mr Bean, he has a great painting technique!!!  ;D
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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2013, 01:33:04 PM »
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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2013, 04:58:43 PM »
I watched a MythBusters episode on the Mr Bean theory of painting. Funnily enough it was busted  ;D

I would watch out using that "goes on pink dries white" paint on bathroom ceilings. From my experience when the vapour from the shower condenses on the roof then you will get pink water drops forming in the roof.

My father in law showed me a great trick for painting skirting boards/cutting in etc... He has  alongish (60cm or so) piece of thin sheet metal and uses this as a guide/protector. Should work well with carpet as the sheet metal will hold back the carpet, only issue is when you move on the carpet will stick the the paint as it dries.

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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2013, 05:09:35 PM »
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My father in law showed me a great trick for painting skirting boards/cutting in etc... He has  alongish (60cm or so) piece of thin sheet metal and uses this as a guide/protector.

Or go to you local sheet metal fabricator and get something out of their scrap bin, or even get a 6 or 7 foot bit folded up. Have just been purchasing some flashings for our current renos, I think a bit of 100mm wide colorbond with 2 folds was about $5 or $6/m. One fold (of say 30 degrees in the middle just to give it a bit of rigidity) would probably be a bit less. Either way, $20 would save a hell of a lot of masking, mess etc.

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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2013, 05:22:57 PM »
You can also hire ceiling sanders from Coates/Kennards etc so you dont have to climb up and down ladders, a good tip for your rollers between coats of paint is to wrap them in glad wrap nice and tight and the paint wont dry and you dont have to spend 20 minutes each time bent over the sink washing them  :cheers:
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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2013, 05:31:44 PM »
pole sander.. your neck gets sore but just once you get the rythym look straight ahead and just check every now and then..
my missus and i painted our house and yes she has more patience so had the joy of cutting in and accurate bits.. i just blatted it all with a medium nap roller and dont use gloss! (on doors and architraves sure)

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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2013, 05:43:34 PM »
Hi,
  clean your rollers with a high pressure hose, BUT make up a shield so you don't get plastered with the spray. (try it with a clean one first to see what I mean)
It will come out fluffy and dry and last for years.
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edit, Roller goes on the end of a broom stick (about 1.5m) to give you a bit of clearance from the spray.
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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2013, 05:48:44 PM »
Hi,
  clean your rollers with a high pressure hose, BUT make up a shield so you don't get plastered with the spray. (try it with a clean one first to see what I mean)
It will come out fluffy and dry and last for years.
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edit, Roller goes on the end of a broom stick (about 1.5m) to give you a bit of clearance from the spray.

Again from Bunnings I purchased a roller cleaner that clips onto the end of the garden hose. You insert the roller into the tube and clip the roller handle under a hook. It doesn't spin the roller but forces water through it and comes out clean.

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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2013, 05:49:54 PM »
10x4 litre tins? A bit tooooo much I would say. Probably 10 litres at a minimum and twenty max. That would easily give you two coats. It's ceiling paint so no tinting required unless you want a different shade. The room that is unpainted  needs two coats, one to seal and one to finish off. Nowadays sealant over plaster is not required providing you buy half decent paint.
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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2013, 06:23:17 PM »
If you need some practice my house is full of ceilings ;D

Should take 10 litres tops.
Use flat paint as it doesnt show marks as much
I use Taubmans for the ceiling it has some mould inhibitor.
2 coats at least as you are bund to miss some areas or put it on too light.
I use a pole.
Cheap rollers. Takes a bit to get the loose fluff of before use.  Wrap in gladwrap between coats if using that day or the next.  Throw in bin instead of washing.

It will take a bit to sand it back in the bathroom.  Whack on a 3 in 1 sealer,undercoat,primer on any exposed plaster (not paper) and any repair patches.  That way you get a even sheen and no dull spots.

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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2013, 06:32:36 PM »
I want to paint the inside of the house, but the cost of hiring a painter at this time of year is prohibitive.

I got quoted $2500 to paint 2 bathroom ceilings and a garage cieling. Both bathrooms are approx 2.5m x 3.5m and the existing paint job is flaking so sanding is needed. The single car garage is unpainted plaster at present. That quote included $500 in materials, which i calculate at being approx 10 * 4L tins, which seems a lot of paint hey.

I do reasonably well on the walls, but I really struggle with ceilings. What's the best way to learn/practice ceiling painting? My house has regular 8-foot ceilings. 

Also, what's the best way to paint skirting boards when there is already carpet against them? Don't want to rip up the carpet, its only 1 year old. I usually skip them and just do the walls but in this case i need to the skirting boards.

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Price does seem high, but depends on the prep work required.  How badly is it flaking and whats the existing paint finish?  It could need a scrap, sand, a light plaster skim coat and sand to get it ready for paint.  If the the cornices are flaking too that adds man hours of prep, worse if it's detailed cornices.
My BIL just finished sanding and painting a 50 year old (stuffed!) bathroom previously painted in now flaking gloss enamel.  In the time it took him, I reckon I could have re-sheeted the ceiling with new cornices and painted it!

The garage is unpainted, is it all stopped up? joins troweled, nail holes bogged?  If it is, has it been sanded?  If it's not sanded take massive care if you've never sanding plaster before, a couple of too heavy strokes and you can remove too much of the top coat.

Forget pulling skirting off to paint it.  First you have to get if off without damaging the walls or skirting, then re fit it without damage and get all of your internals and externals neat again.  Then you still have to putty and paint all the nail holes once it's on again!
As someone said earlier, thin steel sheet is the perfect cutting in tool against carpet.  Depending on your skills, if it's broadloom carpet on smooth edge a square room is easy roll up, then relay with a carpet stretcher (about $40) and hammer.





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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2013, 09:27:49 PM »


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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2013, 09:53:56 PM »
The area of the bathrooms is 17.5m² & though not stated the garage is probably only around 20m² ±. Thats a total of max 40m². Paint usually covers around 15m² per litre so therefore if you do 1 undercoat/sealer + 2 finish coats (which i would reccomend) 40 (m²) x 3 (# coats) = 120 / 15(m² per litre) = 8 litres.
So at best (worst) you only need 10l of each & with the leftover you can do the kitchen as well  :D. At around $150 for 10l from Bunnings that $300.
Now if the existing ceilings are flaky then once you get the flakes off I would sugest using an oil based undercoat. If the house is old who knows what was originally used. Alternately get what is called a "binder" to seal existing paintwork. A good brand is "Zinzer" (bit dearer than standard) which you can get from bunnings.
If you use water based paint i would suggest that you get low sheen, (unless the ceiling is really uneven, then use flat but add a mould inhibitor).
As far as technique goes do the room that matters most LAST. I would also suggest if you use oil based undercoat then buy a cheap brush & roller & when finished bin them. As unless you clean them really well they will go hard if not used. But as anouther poster said tape up wall & brush cornices the roll the ceilings. Dont forget to put drop sheet over fittings & floor.

Another tip is that between coats don't waste time cleaning roller & brush, wrap them in a plastic bag & stick in the fridge (make sure they are wrapped up tight to keep air out, i use a rubber band) they'll keep for a couple of days.

$2500 is a bit much considering painters get about 50% discount with trade accounts, but even if you had $500 materials $2k labour...... certainly hope they're not suggesting mates rates.

Another suggestion is get a mate to give you a hand then its only $50 for beer  :cheers:& you care what it looks like when finished.

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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2013, 10:13:36 PM »
Just need to say it.............. I farrrrrrkin hate painting!!.............. I'd almost rather shove a red hot knitting needle down the eye of my "how ya goin"...............  :'( :'( :'(
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Re: How do you get good at house painting?
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2013, 12:55:59 PM »
Have a Go You MUG , if you don't like it you can always do it again  . You get better as you go along  . :cheers:
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