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« on: March 18, 2013, 04:16:19 PM »
Seems some scammers didnt like my little disclaimer on carsales and reported me  :cheers:  carsales have made me edit my add to remove reference to "scams' or "fraud" little touchy me thinks.

FYI this is what i wrote

PLEASE NOTE I WILL NOT BE ACEPTING PAYMENT FOR THIS THROUGH PAYPAL, WESTERN UNION OR ANY OTHER SUCH SCAM. I WILL NOT DEPOSIT ANY MONIES IN ANY ACCOUNT FOR THE SALE OF THIS CAR. Genuine enquiries only please?
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Re: Car Sales & Scams
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2013, 04:20:34 PM »
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Re: Car Sales & Scams
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2013, 04:26:45 PM »
Quote from: achjimmy on March 18, 2013, 04:16:19 PM
Seems some scammers didnt like my little disclaimer on carsales and reported me  :cheers:  carsales have made me edit my add to remove reference to "scams' or "fraud" little touchy me thinks.

FYI this is what i wrote

PLEASE NOTE I WILL NOT BE ACEPTING PAYMENT FOR THIS THROUGH PAYPAL, WESTERN UNION OR ANY OTHER SUCH SCAM. I WILL NOT DEPOSIT ANY MONIES IN ANY ACCOUNT FOR THE SALE OF THIS CAR. Genuine enquiries only please?
Western Union is frequently used by scammers, as there is no way of tracking the payments.
In my experience, as a purchaser, PayPal is legit.
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2013, 04:30:32 PM »
Can't believe you were asked to remove it, must not like to advertise that their product is vulnerable to scams...
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2013, 08:58:55 PM »
Quote from: barry1956 on March 18, 2013, 04:26:45 PM
In my experience, as a purchaser, PayPal is legit.

That's what I thought Barry, until a colleague told me how a bank account he and his wife had for one of their kids was allegedly hacked somehow via Paypal, and the inordinate trouble he had to go to  get reimbursed.  One of the early requirements from the organisation was that his 3 year old son write Pay Pal a letter setting out his grievance!

That the child was only three and couldn't write held no sway, initially. In the end the services of the Ombudsman were required.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2013, 10:25:33 PM »
I generally don't have a problem with PayPal, I more referenced it as its often quoted as a method of payment by the scammers. Basically I am just trying to let the con artists know  to $&@? Off and leave me alone.
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2013, 03:29:44 PM »
Carsales just covering their ass as you said ".......THROUGH PAYPAL, WESTERN UNION OR ANY OTHER SUCH SCAM.
This could be construed as carsales endorsing paypal & western union being scams, when in fact paypal & western union are merely used by scammers.....

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Re: Car Sales & Scams
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2014, 06:23:43 PM »
Rather than start a new thread I am re-activating this one, as it's title is spot on.
The Squeeze has decided to sell her 06 Hyundai SantaFe.
Has been on-line for less than 24 hours and she is really happy, in that she has got the price she wants.
Purchaser is to pay the money into her account with one of the big banks.
She rang the bank and they advised that there is no way he can withdraw money from her account, so she has given him her account details.
She is to notify him as soon as the money appears in her account and he will send the courier to pick up the car...
He lives in Darwin...
He works in the oil industry in NZ...

I said it sounds like a scam to me. Squeeze asked "How?" Not an unreasonable question, but I don't know the answer, other than Darwin... Courier... NZ oil industry = BINGO! 
Can anyone explain this for me / us???
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2014, 06:52:51 PM »
l can ,, send me $ mucho via Western Union for full disclosure  :cheers:
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2014, 06:57:07 PM »
It's the beginning of the hook.  They are fishing for your info / ID and build up a new you.

Unless you meet the person it's normally a scam. Let's face it, there is a glut of cars for sale so unless it's rare and collectable buying sight unseen from miles away raises suspicion.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2014, 07:00:13 PM »
Interesting question Barry - I'm not 100% sure how they could scam you if what they say is legit. They may come back with banking 'difficulties' and then change their tact thinking they have hooked a keen seller. If they can build a rapport with your other half they may think they can scam her down the track.

One scam I'm aware of was the sale of a product overseas. Seller receives an email from Paypal confirming payment from buyer for incorrect amount. Buyer contacts the seller (a local) advising they 'stuffed' up the exchange rate. Tells the seller to reimburse them via Western Union the whole amount and then they'll resend the correct payment.

Seller does this and then speaks to the authorities who tell her to double check Paypal and stop any withdrawals if possible. Sellers then realises that the original Paypal email informing them of the original payment from the buyer was bogus. When the Paypal account is checked no funds have been deposited. The seller just gave away $XXXX to someone somewhere in the world....

Short answer - no idea  ;D

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Re: Car Sales & Scams
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2014, 07:06:11 PM »
Quote from: dazzler on December 17, 2014, 06:57:07 PM
It's the beginning of the hook.  They are fishing for your info / ID and build up a new you.

Unless you meet the person it's normally a scam. Let's face it, there is a glut of cars for sale so unless it's rare and collectable buying sight unseen from miles away raises suspicion.

Agreed, surly there would be something similar in Darwin. It's just a family car
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2014, 07:09:23 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2014, 08:31:15 PM »
Yep be doubly careful.  I am not sure it's not that hard from bank details. Recently after destroying my 85 yo mums CC because the charities were fleecing her. I was horrified to find that the PCYC had rung and set up an automatic debit over the phone!  I contacted them and got it revoked (and they were fairly sheepish) and then went to the bank to ask how with out signing anything and how I can block it,  they said nothing can be done and if she gives out the details and leaves a voice recorded approval transcript it can be arranged remotely?

So I'd be having another chat with the bank.
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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2014, 09:08:00 PM »
This just popped up on my facebook feed. Sounds familiar. I mean seriously, Ïnternet messaging facility"What oil rig worker says that. Idiots


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& yet another scumbag trolling the camper trader page.....

Thanks for getting back,i'm cool with the price likewise the condition as described on the advert,i work with New Zealand Oil and Gas (NZOG) and we are presently offshore in New Zealand Taranaki Basin on kupe project.We do not have access to phone at the moment and that's why I contacted you with internet messaging facility.Regarding the payment,i will be paying you through PayPal linked up with my westpac bank account,please get back to me with your paypal details so i can process the payment,you can alternatively send your bsb acct name and number if you have no PayPal acct.I have also contacted my courier who will come for pick up and deliver it to my place in Darwin after the whole fund has been cleared into your acct. mariaclintonmariaclinton@hotmail.com

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Re: Car Sales & Scams
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2014, 09:13:58 PM »
Quote from: achjimmy on December 17, 2014, 08:31:15 PM
Yep be doubly careful.  I am not sure it's not that hard from bank details. Recently after destroying my 85 yo mums CC because the charities were fleecing her. I was horrified to find that the PCYC had rung and set up an automatic debit over the phone!  I contacted them and got it revoked (and they were fairly sheepish) and then went to the bank to ask how with out signing anything and how I can block it,  they said nothing can be done and if she gives out the details and leaves a voice recorded approval transcript it can be arranged remotely?

So I'd be having another chat with the bank.

The charities love the elderly, they pray on their good nature.  The wife's grandmother was getting letters, phone calls and door knockers all representing charities asking for her by name 12 months after she passed away.  You would tell them that she had passed they wouldn't even take a breath before trying to get us to take over her donations.  I don't mind giving to certain charities but I thought they were going a bit far.
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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2014, 09:28:16 PM »

Quote from: oldmate on December 17, 2014, 09:08:00 PM
This just popped up on my facebook feed. Sounds familiar. I mean seriously, Ïnternet messaging facility"What oil rig worker says that. Idiots


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& yet another scumbag trolling the camper trader page.....

Thanks for getting back,i'm cool with the price likewise the condition as described on the advert,i work with New Zealand Oil and Gas (NZOG) and we are presently offshore in New Zealand Taranaki Basin on kupe project.We do not have access to phone at the moment and that's why I contacted you with internet messaging facility.Regarding the payment,i will be paying you through PayPal linked up with my westpac bank account,please get back to me with your paypal details so i can process the payment,you can alternatively send your bsb acct name and number if you have no PayPal acct.I have also contacted my courier who will come for pick up and deliver it to my place in Darwin after the whole fund has been cleared into your acct. mariaclintonmariaclinton@hotmail.com

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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2014, 09:31:05 PM »
Lol. Yeah yeah, I'm in for a deal from you. Lol
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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2014, 10:03:02 PM »
Quote from: speewa158 on December 17, 2014, 06:52:51 PM
l can ,, send me $ mucho via Western Union for full disclosure  :cheers:
Jamie, if you had just asked for a slab of VB you might have hooked me. ;D
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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2014, 10:08:16 PM »
Quote from: oldmate on December 17, 2014, 09:08:00 PM
This just popped up on my facebook feed. Sounds familiar. I mean seriously, Ïnternet messaging facility"What oil rig worker says that. Idiots


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Hi all,

& yet another scumbag trolling the camper trader page.....

Thanks for getting back,i'm cool with the price likewise the condition as described on the advert,i work with New Zealand Oil and Gas (NZOG) and we are presently offshore in New Zealand Taranaki Basin on kupe project.We do not have access to phone at the moment and that's why I contacted you with internet messaging facility.Regarding the payment,i will be paying you through PayPal linked up with my westpac bank account,please get back to me with your paypal details so i can process the payment,you can alternatively send your bsb acct name and number if you have no PayPal acct.I have also contacted my courier who will come for pick up and deliver it to my place in Darwin after the whole fund has been cleared into your acct. mariaclintonmariaclinton@hotmail.com

Pays to be on guard at all times

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Oldmate, were you selling a CT?
Otherwise why would you do anything but ignore it?
Interestingly, virtually word for word of the message the Squeeze received, only the e-mail addresses differed.
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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2014, 05:58:25 AM »
Quote from: B&B on December 17, 2014, 10:08:16 PM
Oldmate, were you selling a CT? 
No, I said it came up on my facebook feed ( from a group I am in, I guess someone else was selling one though)

Otherwise why would you do anything but ignore it?

I am sure they did, but just posted it for general information for the group.

Interestingly, virtually word for word of the message the Squeeze received, only the e-mail addresses differed.

That's the reason I posted it here. I saw the similarities.


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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2014, 06:25:32 AM »
End of 2014 Sale  Fair Dinkum  Clear Out

After much thought l must part ways with my much loved pets of many years  . Sadly l have decided to sell off , only to a good home for a minimal investment  . Homing Pidgins , faithful & loving Pets . Something the whole family can watch fly away  . Send of $ quickly as they wont last .



 Or they will be back for quick sale in a week or 2  . Put your name on the list now to arrange disappointment
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« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2014, 10:08:12 AM »
I don't get it.
Ask yourself this question: Are you going to buy a car/CT unseen?
If your answer is no, then you can assume that if someone else is doing this, it must be a scam.
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« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2014, 10:43:54 AM »
ITS A SCAM DONT DO IT...they are just getting some info on you, they will accidently transfer too much money into your account and ask you to repay it and when you do that's when they get you..
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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2014, 12:27:17 PM »
Its real simple even if they are sending an agent unless someone turns up with a bank check and ID that I will be scanning before you leave then you aint getting the goods
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