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Thieving Rotten Mongrels (AKA the Government)
« on: February 26, 2013, 05:59:50 PM »
As if  grabbing so called "Lost Super" balances isn't enough, now the Govt has "rushed through" legislation to allow them to.. get this... legally claim any "inactive" bank account that hasn't had a deposit or withdrawal in 3 years.

It used to be 7 years, now they want to grab as much cash and unclaimed Super they can before the next election not doubt to fritter away... again
No due process to try and find the owner first before the grab
No simple way to re-claim the money when a hapless citizen finds out they have been robbed

SO BEFORE THE END OF MARCH:
ANY BANK ACCOUNTS THAT YOU HAVE NOT TOUCHED FOR 3 YEARS... TOUCH IT, PUT $1 IN OR TAKE $1 OUT TO GET IT OFF THE INACTIVE LIST

TRACK DOWN YOUR SUPER FUNDS AND AT LEAST GET YOUR CURRENT DETAILS PUT ON THE ACCOUNT AND "UN-LOST" THEM. (THEN SEE IF YOU CAN CONSOLIDATE THEM, IF YOU CAN'T DO THAT BY YOUR SELF GET SOME HELP) IF YOU NEED HELP THERE ARE FINANCIAL PLANNERS ON THIS FORUM WHO CAN GIVE SOME TIPS ON WHAT YOU CAN DO TO START.

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Re: Thieving Rotten Mongrels (AKA the Government)
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2013, 06:01:48 PM »
Don't blame me I didn't vote for them :)
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2013, 06:04:17 PM »
What an absolute load of rubbish.  Why on earth would you post such tripe on here?

Oh, and stop shouting  >:(

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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2013, 06:13:02 PM »
Yep, saw this on the news today. Thieving Mongrels, that is just outright theft. There are many people, myself included, who have substantial money in accounts that are just sitting awaiting retirement. It is not the governments money, it is ours. How can they be allowed to do this.  >:(

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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2013, 06:15:19 PM »
Don't blame me I didn't vote for them :)

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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2013, 06:17:34 PM »
  I know a certain little red head who"s gonna be unemployed later this year!!   :cheers: Phil
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2013, 06:20:56 PM »
Unfortunately unemployed would be the wrong terminology. Retired on substantial pay for life is more realistic.

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Re: Thieving Rotten Mongrels (AKA the Government)
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2013, 06:28:38 PM »
What an absolute load of rubbish.  Why on earth would you post such tripe on here?

Oh, and stop shouting  >:(

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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2013, 06:31:18 PM »
As I said, a complete load of BS.

From CHOICE Magazine, February 2013 “Unclaimed consumer money will find a safe haven sooner under recent legislation changes put through by the federal government.  The amendment cuts the time in which money left untouched in bank, super and other accounts is transferred to the government from seven years to three in most categories, at which point it will be protected from fees and market fluctuations.”

If you think you have any unclaimed superannuation or unclaimed bank accounts go to https://www.moneysmart.gov.au/tools-and-resources/find-unclaimed-money

The government is not stealing any money.  Rather than the banks sucking your untouched bank account dry with their fees and charges, your money is protected and secure.  And no, the legislation was not rushed through because an election has been called.  Plus if you care to read the policy, the banks have to go through a rather thorough process before transferring your untouched bank account to the government.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good redneck political scaremongering argument.

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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2013, 06:40:42 PM »
I really don't think this is the correct "forum" to be having this discussion. I can see it going further off the rails than it already has very quickly.

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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2013, 06:47:03 PM »
I really don't think this is the correct "forum" to be having this discussion. I can see it going further off the rails than it already has very quickly.

Politics. Religion. Sex.

You forgot to add "and anything in the electrical section" ;D

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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2013, 06:50:53 PM »
Well done KB. Nice informed input.

Unfortunately, we seem to be looking at frying pan and fire scenario later this year.

I think we will lose whichever way we go.

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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2013, 07:06:59 PM »
I really don't think this is the correct "forum" to be having this discussion. I can see it going further off the rails than it already has very quickly.

Politics. Religion. Sex.
And how is this thread different to dozens of other topics raised on here? If the mods allow it and others add to it why put a negative spin on it? Why not just ignore it and read something else? Personally I feel there are heaps of topics raised that could be discussed anywhere but a camping orientated internet forum, however I suspect on many occasions the topics raised are as much about people who know each other connecting and sharing as it is about the actual discussion topic (no factual data to back this up other than a sneaking suspicion based on the humour & banter evident in many of these non camping related threads)

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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2013, 07:09:39 PM »
Agreed to all above and fair comment... I had a rush of blood..... no caps lock this time... however...

I have not actually seen the process to re-claim cash that was taken from a bank account but this will catch a lot of bank account holders who have money in accounts that pay good interest as long as there have been no withdrawals. So my opinion, and you can't change it, is that this has not been thoroughly thought through. Yes you can redeem your money but have a look at the process the you will endure to get it back, it stinks of a grab. Next phase of the govt agenda is have a time limit on the money they are holding and then it's permanently theirs. you're dreaming if you think that's not what they are planning

Supers - Many low balance super accounts are mostly cash or defensive and do quite well in the current economic climate.
Low super balances in the majority of funds get member protection, fees are rebated back to the member's account.  I agree that not all members get this help, most cases it depends on how the account works and the balance at the time contributions stopped going in.

The form that the ATO wants filled out for a lost super member to re-claim their super is way more complicated than the super rollover form that the ATO themselves designed for a member to roll from one super to the other. why? 
I see a lot of people look at the form, decide it's too hard and be forced to let it go because they will have to pay for advice to get it fixed up, and it's not worth it and eventually the gov will keep the money.
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2013, 07:34:00 PM »
We have had bank accounts go backwards into the negative due to fees. Why?

Super funds fees can be as bad.

Something needs to be done and it may take many attemps to fix by various governments of any leaning. Stuff the money grabbers who want a cut (or more) of your money.

How can someone be removed from a CEO position but still be given a $50M payout?

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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2013, 07:35:25 PM »
Why would you have a bank account you havent used in more than 12 mths tops?
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2013, 07:55:04 PM »
Bank Accounts:- that have no activity are known as 'Dormant Accounts'. They're classified as such when there is no activity for a defined periods of time, AND, when the bank is unable to contact you on the details you provided.

Lost Superannuation:- is easily consolidated for a nominal fee by most Financial Planners.
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2013, 07:55:14 PM »
I have not actually seen the process to re-claim cash that was taken from a bank account but this will catch a lot of bank account holders who have money in accounts that pay good interest as long as there have been no withdrawals. So my opinion, and you can't change it, is that this has not been thoroughly thought through. Yes you can redeem your money but have a look at the process the you will endure to get it back, it stinks of a grab. Next phase of the govt agenda is have a time limit on the money they are holding and then it's permanently theirs. you're dreaming if you think that's not what they are planning

Mate, just want to educate you a bit.  This amendment would not have been initiated by any political party.  It would have been an administrative amendment initiated by public servants due to issues/concerns/complaints with the administration of unclaimed monies.  Sure, like all legislation, it had to pass through parliament, but without looking at Hansard, I'm guessing it would not have even raised an eyebrow and was probably passed in the wee hours of the morning.  The amendment process involved a Senate Committee which called for public submissions so again I'm guessing it would have been thoroughly debated prior to hitting the floor of parliament and more than likely took months or even years to get to parliament.  There is no conspiracy here  ;D

I have not actually seen the process to re-claim cash that was taken from a bank account but this will catch a lot of bank account holders who have money in accounts that pay good interest as
The form that the ATO wants filled out for a lost super member to re-claim their super is way more complicated than the super rollover form that the ATO themselves designed for a member to roll from one super to the other. why? 
I see a lot of people look at the form, decide it's too hard and be forced to let it go because they will have to pay for advice to get it fixed up, and it's not worth it and eventually the gov will keep the money.

This will not catch anybody out.  The processes the banks must follow ensures this.  The money is only transferred to the government when all attempts at contacting the account holder has failed.   This is about people who have forgotten about money in their bank or super and have moved or changed names (normally through marriage/divorce).  It is not about people who have a nest egg sitting there collecting interest.  If it is transferred to the government, ASIC and the ATO run the account holders name through their data bases and try to contact the person/s concerned.  But there are lots of money still not claimed.

The form is pretty simple to complete.  There are videos and guides on the link I gave to assist.  If you are still having problems, give their help line a call - ASIC's Infoline on 1300 300 630.  The government does not have any hidden agenda, it wants to give your money back and will do everything it can to help you.  Better for you to be spending your money than getting a pension or whatever from the government.  Again, there are no conspiracies here  ;D

And please do not be tempted to pay anybody to recover your money.  You would be surprised how many scammers are out there in this field of deceit.  The ASIC service is completely free.

And no, I am not affiliated with any political party nor do I work for the ATO or ASIC.  In the interests of full disclosure, I am a state government employee.

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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2013, 08:54:57 PM »
very good reply KB, thanks

I like the Moneysmart site, use it myself from time to time and no issues with the public servants working in that area.

I do have a big problem with how politicians are eyeing off these assets. It's what they are not saying that is the worry.

The point I want to get across is, if anyone who opened this does in fact think they have a bank account or super that might be at risk of transferring, now's the time to get up and take some action and locate it and make sure they either have details updated or transfer the money out. it was intended for them to get their attention.. you saw through it  ;D cheers!:cup:

I'm also not politically afilliated with any party, I do work for a bank but not in banking! :angel:

My job - is researching super funds and compling reports on them for members. all kinds of super funds, lots and lots of reports, over 1,000 in the last 6 months to give you an idea. it's definitely harder to get funds rolled out of the ATO than a regular super fund

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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2013, 08:57:26 PM »
Why would you have a bank account you havent used in more than 12 mths tops?

Such things as school accounts when you have left school and have not needed to access the account.
Accounts set aside for special circumstances. Bound to be others.
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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2013, 09:35:55 PM »
We have had bank accounts go backwards into the negative due to fees. Why?
Maybe a bad choice and not enough homework, or no preventative maintenance.?

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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2013, 09:39:42 PM »
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Such things as school accounts when you have left school and have not needed to access the account.
so you wouldnt close them?

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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2013, 09:44:12 PM »
so you wouldnt close them?

I still dont get it..
Perhaps an example: wife had a part time job which paid miniscule super. When she finished there was about $200 in it (late 90's for a twice a week job). Ceased work to start university which was a 4yr course. Can't touch the money, nothing to roll it over into and not earning any $ to add to it.

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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2013, 06:07:54 AM »
Mate, just want to educate you a bit.  This amendment would not have been initiated by any political party.  It would have been an administrative amendment initiated by public servants due to issues/concerns/complaints with the administration of unclaimed monies.  Sure, like all legislation, it had to pass through parliament, but without looking at Hansard, I'm guessing it would not have even raised an eyebrow and was probably passed in the wee hours of the morning.  The amendment process involved a Senate Committee which called for public submissions so again I'm guessing it would have been thoroughly debated prior to hitting the floor of parliament and more than likely took months or even years to get to parliament.  There is no conspiracy here  ;D

This will not catch anybody out.  The processes the banks must follow ensures this.  The money is only transferred to the government when all attempts at contacting the account holder has failed.   This is about people who have forgotten about money in their bank or super and have moved or changed names (normally through marriage/divorce).  It is not about people who have a nest egg sitting there collecting interest.  If it is transferred to the government, ASIC and the ATO run the account holders name through their data bases and try to contact the person/s concerned.  But there are lots of money still not claimed.

The form is pretty simple to complete.  There are videos and guides on the link I gave to assist.  If you are still having problems, give their help line a call - ASIC's Infoline on 1300 300 630.  The government does not have any hidden agenda, it wants to give your money back and will do everything it can to help you.  Better for you to be spending your money than getting a pension or whatever from the government.  Again, there are no conspiracies here  ;D

And please do not be tempted to pay anybody to recover your money.  You would be surprised how many scammers are out there in this field of deceit.  The ASIC service is completely free.

And no, I am not affiliated with any political party nor do I work for the ATO or ASIC.  In the interests of full disclosure, I am a state government employee.

KB


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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2013, 06:51:02 AM »
Maybe a bad choice and not enough homework, or no preventative maintenance.?

I don't think it would be the first two :-)

Sometimes accounts setup for special circumstances can be forgotten. We have two untouched accounts at the moment (no ongoing costs incurred) with small amounts in them. Don't want to put those funds in the main account to get 'lost' or spent on something else.

Had two super funds I couldn't do anything with except roll them over into another super fund to sit idle (except for annual fees) until retirement.
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