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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2013, 12:06:27 PM »
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/apple-drops-claim-that-macs-dont-get-viruses-20120703-21ei4.html


LOL How did I know Lost would find a link to a mac virus! :D Pretty fair to say the ratio is around 583 squillion to one though ;)
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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2013, 09:03:27 PM »
It wasn't a virus. It needed the user to download something. Open it. Click yes I WAnt to install this thing enter a password and then cause grief. :)). I use mac in enterprise as well :)). iPhone/pad is changing people's opinions. :)
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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2013, 10:31:50 PM »
I run a Mac and will never go back :D

Wow, your going to come crashing down then. There is more virus development targeted at apple now (The Hackers Holly Grale) if you like. Don't rest on the I- lorals- please.
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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2013, 10:33:23 PM »
It wasn't a virus. It needed the user to download something. Open it. Click yes I WAnt to install this thing enter a password and then cause grief. :)). I use mac in enterprise as well :)). iPhone/pad is changing people's opinions. :)

So are almost all - So Called Viruses these days. It did bad stuff so to the average person, it is a virus!
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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2013, 10:46:04 PM »
Wow, your going to come crashing down then. There is more virus development targeted at apple now (The Hackers Holly Grale) if you like. Don't rest on the I- lorals- please.

LOL Your not a Mac lover then Steve! ;)
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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2013, 10:51:56 PM »
I'll tell you what. You can have the best solution known to man kind but the real challenge is getting all the users to be Net Smart. A virus definition is never going to stop the 'open the email - from Aus Post' they just don't get it. Then you have the rogue users that don't authenticate onto the domain, so you have no idea if there Definition files are up to date, or they are even meat to be there.

It goes on and on. The best protection is to stop non authenticated devices on the net. How many of you corparate guys let your users bring their I-Pads, I-phones etc to work, and then access internet resources?

We went through this with AMEX where there where over 100,00 devices to manage. It doesn't matter how good you are. We used to hire 'Hacks' to work with us to stop intrusions. Half of our forum here wouldn't even know if they have been 'violated' and that's the beauty of what they do, stealth.

Even the best in the business still clearly state they are on the back foot and in regards to some viruses they can take Months to even get an update out.

Back to sensible and safe.

Do not open the  'you have won 1 million dollars email. Ensure your company knows that, educate, and to be honest I am more worried about port scanners so make sure the firewalls are up to date.

And you can Pooh Pooh me as much as you want. I work with some serious government players around the data security area looking after AFP and Immigration (Boat People) medical records, there is not much more important stuff than that.
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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2013, 10:58:10 PM »
LOL Your not a Mac lover then Steve! ;)

Don't mind them but cause me no end of trouble with their no compliance to network structure. Hopefully that will change and in fact there are a few good signs with new remote access controls being rolled out. For home I'm good as. I'm only taking about work.

I think like a lot of corporate, it the fact they connect to our network with out authentication that is hard to manage. We block corporate internet access to WiFi but as there are some many  that have Next-G we find that hard to control. As we, like many have allowed users to received their email o their  phone we 'worry' they can infect the general network. Apple are not invincible anymore and many more are finding ways to hack them. That's' all.

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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2013, 07:11:47 AM »
It wasn't a virus. It needed the user to download something. Open it. Click yes I WAnt to install this thing enter a password and then cause grief. :)). I use mac in enterprise as well :)). iPhone/pad is changing people's opinions. :)

So by that definition, Windows doesn't get virus' then ::)
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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2013, 08:11:03 AM »
G'day Lost,

We use Symantec End Point Protection, seems to be pretty good, and as Steve said earlier, biggest problem we have is the people that open the stupid emails and click on the file, or while on the net they click on something they shouldn't.  End point still picks most of this up, but have had a couple slip through occasionally.

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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2013, 08:16:23 AM »
I use a Mac.  What are virus's?


Well maybe you better read this.....

Apple drops claim that 'Macs don't get viruses'

and then go get an AV program. Virex is a good one for Mac.


Oops.. I should have read the whole thread...   :-[
« Last Edit: January 17, 2013, 09:22:48 AM by MrBitchi »
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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2013, 08:30:59 AM »
I'll tell you what. You can have the best solution known to man kind but the real challenge is getting all the users to be Net Smart. A virus definition is never going to stop the 'open the email - from Aus Post' they just don't get it. Then you have the rogue users that don't authenticate onto the domain, so you have no idea if there Definition files are up to date, or they are even meat to be there.

It goes on and on. The best protection is to stop non authenticated devices on the net. How many of you corparate guys let your users bring their I-Pads, I-phones etc to work, and then access internet resources?

We went through this with AMEX where there where over 100,00 devices to manage. It doesn't matter how good you are. We used to hire 'Hacks' to work with us to stop intrusions. Half of our forum here wouldn't even know if they have been 'violated' and that's the beauty of what they do, stealth.

Even the best in the business still clearly state they are on the back foot and in regards to some viruses they can take Months to even get an update out.

Back to sensible and safe.

Do not open the  'you have won 1 million dollars email. Ensure your company knows that, educate, and to be honest I am more worried about port scanners so make sure the firewalls are up to date.

And you can Pooh Pooh me as much as you want. I work with some serious government players around the data security area looking after AFP and Immigration (Boat People) medical records, there is not much more important stuff than that.
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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2013, 08:40:10 AM »
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We use Symantec End Point Protection, seems to be pretty good, and as Steve said earlier, biggest problem we have is the people that open the stupid emails and click on the file, or while on the net they click on something they shouldn't.  End point still picks most of this up, but have had a couple slip through occasionally.
That's what we use at work here (Version 12.1.671.4971), I run it through SEP Manager to push out updates on each login.  Usually the larger updates come in on a Thursday, as said 180meg each :(

But for laptop users its a different story. You cant 100% control what they access where and when. They all love their "Free" Internet while on the road. :(
That can suck if they are out of office for a week too not getting updates. They all get email Via Galaxy S2's or Blackberrys

SEP is good for a corp and I can use free but it causes memory hungry and bites sausage while gaming online... It was never a problem until I rebuilt the PC for gaming on the weekend, and then installed Win7 Enterprise 64b.

Kapersky gets good wraps on some of the gaming forums, might be worth a look see.
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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2013, 11:31:20 AM »
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Anyway My 10 Cents. I also like that we get real time reports when some one decides to insert a USB stick. We get notified real time that they are infected.
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A computer virus attacked a turbine control system at a US power company when a technician unknowingly inserted an infected USB computer drive into the network, keeping a plant off line for three weeks, according to a report posted on a US government website.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/malicious-virus-shuttered-power-plant-us-government-20130117-2cuox.html
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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2013, 12:20:08 PM »
Well maybe you better read this.....

Apple drops claim that 'Macs don't get viruses'

and then go get an AV program. Virex is a good one for Mac.


Oops.. I should have read the whole thread...   :-[


Thanks for the info, but seriously that article is a load of overhyped, poorly researched $hite. Why people take Fairfax and News Ltd website content to be gospel is beyond me.

I have used the Mac OS for nearly 10 years, haven't used virus protection, and don't intend to based on something the SMH reports. If I need it, it'll be because of my necessary interaction with MS Windows servers and via email exchanges, not because I use a Mac.

Cheers.

p.s. This hits the nail on the head:
It wasn't a virus. It needed the user to download something. Open it. Click yes I WAnt to install this thing enter a password and then cause grief. :)). I use mac in enterprise as well :)). iPhone/pad is changing people's opinions. :)

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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2013, 02:10:43 PM »
Thanks for the info, but seriously that article is a load of overhyped, poorly researched $hite. Why people take Fairfax and News Ltd website content to be gospel is beyond me.

I have used the Mac OS for nearly 10 years, haven't used virus protection, and don't intend to based on something the SMH reports. If I need it, it'll be because of my necessary interaction with MS Windows servers and via email exchanges, not because I use a Mac.

Cheers.

p.s. This hits the nail on the head:

That article was widely reported in security blogs all over the web. SMH was just a conveinient reference.

I've had Macs of various flavours in our production environment for something like 15 years. They have ALLWAYS had an AV program on them. There is absolutely NO WAY any device, be it Mac, PC, Tablet or smartphone would be allowed any where near our network without an AV program installed and regularly updated.

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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2013, 03:18:50 PM »
Another interesting pertinant article on PC virus's  from Fairfax - be it the intelligent mans paper, or just some poorly researched $hyt.

http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/security-it/malicious-virus-shuttered-power-plant-us-government-20130117-2cuox.html
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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2013, 03:29:00 PM »
ok.

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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2013, 03:35:48 PM »
^^^

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« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2013, 05:06:24 PM »
Cut and pasted into Sydney morning herald by Asher Moses :)).  Thank god for whirl(whinge)pool . If you were in "IT". You would understand :))
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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2013, 09:15:40 PM »
Always knew Bitdefender and Kaspersky were the best all round but it seems VIPRE is giving them a run for their money now-
http://www.pcantivirusreviews.com/Reviews/GFI-Sunbelt/VIPRE-Antivirus-Software/
I used Bitdefender before Microsoft got in on the act and it was good but you can't beat free and the people who supply 95% of our operating systems, Office and IE. Who could possibly protect the majority better for the money? Still there's no point having fancy locks if you regularly open the door to strangers and invite them in.
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Re: Antivirus
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2013, 10:53:59 PM »
Always knew Bitdefender and Kaspersky were the best all round but it seems VIPRE is giving them a run for their money now-
http://www.pcantivirusreviews.com/Reviews/GFI-Sunbelt/VIPRE-Antivirus-Software/

I cant get that URL to work, not even from a google :(
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« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2013, 10:58:26 PM »
Your example is found :) :) :)

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« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2013, 03:14:38 PM »
I use microsoft security essentials at home and at work. have had no problems with this.
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pc-security/mse.aspx


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