Air cleaners - genuine or not???

[Jason B]

Hi guys

Just about to service the 80 (engine oil, filter, air filter, diff/gearbox/transfer case oils etc). I currently run a K&N filter (only had it in for 8k) but am going back to a paper filter due to some negative comments with the K&N's abilities in truly dusty conditions.

I plan to use a genuine Toyota filter, however I was a bit shocked at the price $68 from my local dealer.

So my question for those of you running paper filters;

Do you run genuine or after market (repco etc)?

How often do you change them? (Kms between changes for general servicing - not extreme conditions)

Do you actually wash them out or just blow them off in between changes? (Toyota filters indicate that they can be washed, however I have always been dubious about this as I wouldn't want to damage the element - I understand that damage can be done with careless use of air also)

How much do you pay?

With the K&N'S (which I have run for years in all of my road cars without issue) I service them at every oil change, so with the 80 every 5k they are washed and re-oiled. Genuine filters may be in place for up to 40k. So what is better I wonder?

My 80 has a snorkel but still there seems to be a fair amount of evidence around that the K&N type filters aren't much chop for extended out back touring in very dusty conditions.

Over to you lot.

(P.s I have read the other air filter threads (even started some of them), so LOST no need to post up the links mate  )

Regards

Jas

[D4D]

Find a friendly Toyota parts guys and buy genuine

[Jason B]

Find a friendly Toyota parts guys and buy genuine

I am anal about routine servicing and if you change the filters every 40k the price is ok, but I am more likely to change it every 10k.

Has any one used the Sakura filter Kits for the 80's, what do you think of them? Oil, air and fuel filters on eBay from about $70 in a kit.

Regards

Jas

[02-SR5]

I only ever buy genuine.

This way if Murphy shows up, at least I am covered under warranty.

Rob

[Jason B]

I only ever buy genuine.

This way if Murphy shows up, at least I am covered under warranty.

Rob

Always did the same with my new Prados but the 80 is now approaching 16 years old, I don't think Mr Toyota care about me anymore.......LOL

Jas

[swanny]

Defo genuine, peace of mind....!!!!

[Bird]

Defo genuine, peace of mind....!!!!

agree

[Hairs]

G'day Jas,
I installed in our 80 a K&N 70 000k's ago, 2007.
More than happy with it, carry the cleaner and oil with me on trips.
09 drove through that huge dust storm that covered the whole Eastern part of the country, we were on our way to St George. 8 Hours of pulling a camper, some of that into a head wind full of dust.
The K&N did it's job, the air box was caked inside with dust, but beyond the filter on the inside it was as clean as.
Cleaned the filter, re oiled it and off we went, jobs done. 
While I was cleaning it & Oiling it I had blokes standing around giving me their worldly expertise on the down side of the K&N filter.
For starters, my old 1hd-t doesn't rev it's ring out at over 9000+rpm all day like a race motor would in a dusty environment like an off road race track. My motor isn't pulled down and rebuilt after each race, because it doesn't get abused like a race motor does. My old girl is religiously serviced every 5000k's, oil + filter. K&N is inspected often & cleaned when it needs it.
Like you Jas, I'm a little skeptical about washing a fibrous material and reusing it, yeah I've read it is fine to do so, but something just says don't do it. It's not as if it is recommended to wash and reuse your dunny paper. 
Anyway mate, that's my 2 Bob's worth on the matter.
A K&N works for me 
 

[qlddsl]

If you don't go genuine, get either Donaldson or ryco. Much better filters than repco etc, Donaldson would be my 1st choice

[jwb]

I use genuine in my GQ..
Although it has a GU assembly fitted.
when it was the original oval style, genuine was cheaper
I'm pretty sure that's still the case with the gu style

cheers

[GeoffA]

If you don't go genuine, get either Donaldson or ryco. Much better filters than repco etc, Donaldson would be my 1st choice

I agree.

I've always used genuine filters in my GU, but Donaldson air filters look good. Fitted one this week, for the first time.
They have about 2.5 times the filter surface area of the standard Nissan GU filter, and seem extremely well made.

Maybe have a look at them for the 80.....

Haven't tried their oil and fuel filters yet.

 

[qlddsl]

I agree.



Haven't tried their oil and fuel filters yet.

 

No problems with oil or fuel filters, a lot heavier than genuine or ryco

[GeoffA]

No problems with oil or fuel filters, a lot heavier than genuine or ryco

Thanks,

Got 'em, just haven't fitted 'em yet. Next service..........

 

[Bill]

I do oil, air and fuel every 5000 in my Nav and Morags car.
Always use Ryco.
Never had a drama yet.
Bill

[dazzler]

Genuine or quality name brand paper.  Never blow them out.  It opens the pores and in the fabric.  If its REALLY dusty run a pre filter.

[fishfinder]

I am anal about routine servicing and if you change the filters every 40k the price is ok, but I am more likely to change it every 10k.

Has any one used the Sakura filter Kits for the 80's, what do you think of them? Oil, air and fuel filters on eBay from about $70 in a kit.

Regards

Jas

I worked for a company that started bringing in sakura filters and from feedback they're not that good - if you buy Ryco filters they're up there with genuine they claim that they make OE filters for a few of the car manufactures

[Metters]

I have always used genuine and have the washable type in my Hilux.  They are designed to be washed and they don't fall apart when you do it.  They are supposed to be replaced every 100,000 ks on my model.  I am now on my second one.  The original must have been washed at least a dozen times.  The only issue is the large amount of water needed to really clean them properly.  That is not a problem at home or in mountains where there is always plenty of creeks or rivers but it can be a bugger in many parts of the Outback.

[kylarama]

My diesel Hilux has happily run on Ryco filters for the past 240,000k's (280,000 on the clock).  Like Metters it's supposed to use 'washable' filters.  I brought the Lux 18 months old 40,000km on the clock, ex govenment, serviced every 7500km by Toyota.  At 40k no amount of washing was going to make the filter survive another 60k, it was rooted.  Replaced it with a Ryco (mates rates thanks to mates in the game) and ever since only replace them as deemed necessary, not by k's.  Some last 10,000, some 30,000 depending on the driving type.
The only genuine Toyota stuff I've ever used is coolant.  Toyota spare parts are massively over priced.

[prodigyrf]

You can buy a dozen Sakura oil filters for $125 delivered on ebay but for that dough you'll only buy 4 Ryco Z334 oil filters and it's like this. Diesels run high detergent oils to pick up the high carbon content and keep it in suspension and the Toyota and Ryco filters are 2 stage filters to filter out that very fine micron carbon that will cause the wear. You can feel the weight in them vis a vis my petrol Commode filter although on LPG my Commode oil comes out straw coloured after 10000km whereas the lad's import AWD Hiace diesel is black within a 1000km so you work it out.

You telling me Sakura can source the same quality oil filter for a third of the price that Ryco can?
Yes there is a Father Xmas Virginia. He's the poor mug paying off the plastic in January and beyond 

[dav]

Donaldson for the lot Air Fuel Oil. Donaldson make a air cleaner indicator to tell you when there blocked I will take a pic later Jason.

[Jason B]

Donaldson for the lot Air Fuel Oil. Donaldson make a air cleaner indicator to tell you when there blocked I will take a pic later Jason.

Thanks mate sound interesting. I have heard good things about them, what are their prices like?

Jas

[BigJules]

I found the Terrain Tamer gear to be good. I have three air filters, planning to get two washed and swap them around. There is a place in Blacktown that washes them. Ihave done it myself but not keen on doing that.

[dav]

My K&N went in the bin you could hold it up to the light and see holes in it only had 5000k through it.

[dav]

GU  Pootrol  4.2  air filter are around $55  and around $14 for oil.

[BigJules]

I've got a K&N pre-filter that goes over the snorkel head, but haven't ever used it after hearing that the oil off the filter can play havoc with sensors in the air intake of my model Cruiser.

I know oiled foam filters have always worked well in dirt bikes.