Author Topic: Rated shackles in Queensland (Read 10012 times)

ausiwaz · « **on:** October 19, 2012, 06:30:56 PM »

I have heard that Queenslands finest are booking people for not having rated shackles on the safety chains when towing a Kamper of more than 1.5 tonnes any body have a comment?

D4D · « **Reply #1 on:** October 19, 2012, 06:32:51 PM »

Why wouldn't you use rated shackles? I buy the small shackles from ARB and have a spare set in the centre console.

Symon · « **Reply #2 on:** October 19, 2012, 06:58:21 PM »

Sounds like a damn good idea to me. Those Tonka toy ones wont do anything for you.

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D4D · « **Reply #3 on:** October 19, 2012, 07:00:56 PM »

and don't get me started on the morons who use karabiners...

Diesel Power · « **Reply #4 on:** October 20, 2012, 12:02:08 AM »

Quote from: Symon on October 19, 2012, 06:58:21 PM

Sounds like a damn good idea to me. Those Tonka toy ones wont do anything for you.

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Hello Symon, nice to hear you are still around.
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Angus.

GeeTee · « **Reply #5 on:** October 20, 2012, 08:23:23 AM »

Quote from: ausiwaz on October 19, 2012, 06:30:56 PM

I have heard that Queenslands finest are booking people for not having rated shackles on the safety chains when towing a Kamper of more than 1.5 tonnes any body have a comment?

On one hand that sounds like a fair cop to me. Safety chains are a critical safety device

On the other hand, is there a Qld motor traffic regulation that is being breached? Or is this another urban myth

KingBilly · « **Reply #6 on:** October 20, 2012, 03:56:35 PM »

I reckon it's an urban myth. Whilst I agree it is a serious safety issue, coppers are too busy to be booking somebody with an unrated shackle. Doubt they would even know it's offence code. Now a Qld Transport Department Inspector is a different beast altogether.

dazzler · « **Reply #7 on:** October 20, 2012, 04:13:19 PM »

This would be a mate of a mate of a bloke down the road who was a smart ass.......

I remember a cop mate booking a bloke for having different luminescent headlights - someone got under his skin

KingBilly · « **Reply #8 on:** October 20, 2012, 04:18:59 PM »

Gee, glad this thread hasn't gone the way that the same subject was discussed on another forum. Posters quoting all these different standards, getting auto club opinions, trailer manufacturer's opinions. Just got soooo confusing.

Tom · « **Reply #9 on:** October 20, 2012, 04:25:07 PM »

I use to drive heavy recovery and local towing.
our Trucks got inspected twice a year.
I never saw the experts glance at the shackles ,so how would the local on the street be able to tell?
Just my thought.
Cheers.
Titch

Symon · « **Reply #10 on:** October 20, 2012, 06:21:16 PM »

Quote from: KingBilly on October 20, 2012, 04:18:59 PM

Gee, glad this thread hasn't gone the way that the same subject was discussed on another forum. Posters quoting all these different standards, getting auto club opinions, trailer manufacturer's opinions. Just got soooo confusing.

Funny how I guessed which forum that would have been. I had a read of their thread, and some people really need to wake up to themselves. I think the link below makes it pretty clear -

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Vehicle%20standards%20and%20modifications/Loads%20and%20towing/Safe%20towing/Safe_towing_guide.pdf

Quote from: Diesel Power on October 20, 2012, 12:02:08 AM

Hello Symon, nice to hear you are still around.
Regards
Angus.

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duggie · « **Reply #11 on:** October 20, 2012, 06:49:36 PM »

Question? Who can guarantee that the chain that is attached the the RATED shackle and this in turn attached to a Rated draw bar is rated chain?

Food for thought.

dazzler · « **Reply #12 on:** October 20, 2012, 09:27:33 PM »

Quote from: duggie on October 20, 2012, 06:49:36 PM

Question? Who can guarantee that the chain that is attached the the RATED shackle and this in turn attached to a Rated draw bar is rated chain?

Food for thought.

The new stuff has a rating stamped on every fourth (isn) link. But the old stuff

99disco · « **Reply #13 on:** October 20, 2012, 10:50:47 PM »

The thing that has always gotten me is that it might be rated chain but any joe blogs could have welded it on.

Shane

Bongo · « **Reply #14 on:** October 21, 2012, 12:20:24 AM »

I had a brand new Kimberley over the pits in Darwin for a compliance check and roadworthy. They only thing they pinged me for was not having rated shackles. What should they be rated at I innocently asked. I don't know was the reply!!!!! Check the web page!

Jeepers Creepers · « **Reply #15 on:** October 21, 2012, 05:48:50 AM »

On the link from the Govt., i noted the following.....

"When reversing, it is advisable to have someone outside the vehicle giving directions"

I love it when a 70 something wife, bellows to her 70 something, hard of hearing husband, to stop, when the caravan is about 6 inches from a steel bollard.
He yells out.... "What? Speak up woman, for Christ sake" and then the corner of the van hits the bollard.

Then its on and for the next 20 minutes you've got the best entertainment you'll ever get.

OK, back to the rated shackles now......

GeeTee · « **Reply #16 on:** October 21, 2012, 02:01:47 PM »

Quote from: dazzler on October 20, 2012, 04:13:19 PM

This would be a mate of a mate of a bloke down the road who was a smart ass.......

I remember a cop mate booking a bloke for having different luminescent headlights - someone got under his skin

yes, it's a very good idea to pass the Attitude Test when speaking with the lads in blue

Crisp Image · « **Reply #17 on:** October 21, 2012, 02:13:06 PM »

Rated for what? Lifting or towing ? They are 2 different things.
Take a look at a hand winch. One rating for lifting and one for pulling.
If you agree not lifting off the ground the ratings are different.
Worth thinking about.
Regards
Crisp image

dav · « **Reply #18 on:** October 21, 2012, 04:29:43 PM »

If you use a rated chain and then weld it the metal in the chain would not meet the same SWL as it did before. SWL means safe working load. Hammer locks should be used to attach the chain to the drawbar.
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dazzler · « **Reply #19 on:** October 21, 2012, 05:30:47 PM »

Quote from: dav on October 21, 2012, 04:29:43 PM

If you use a rated chain and then weld it the metal in the chain would not meet the same SWL as it did before. SWL means safe working load. Hammer locks should be used to attach the chain to the drawbar.
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Got a pic Dav?

The only ones I can find have a shackle thing on each side.