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Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« on: September 17, 2012, 03:48:18 PM »
I'm not sure, but can anyone help out whats up with the bearings here ??? ???



Yes the swingaway worked 100% fine.. It was smooth, and opened fine!



It was one of them easy jobs that will take 10 mins. Thought I'll remove the swing away, fix the broken bolt on the right of the stubb that usually locks the arm in place when open, then put the bracket back on the door and drive to Werribee... Well, Ummm... Computer says NO...

It appears as though the orange dust cover in top photo that sits under the bottom bearing doesnt allow water that gets in to get out ..... = FAIL...

Just too add injury to insult, the small part circled in orange as I was smashing that part off the bearing off the stubb, that broke off, chiped the rear door and came back and hit me in the cheek about 2inches from my eye... 

Then I remembered the time, and ARB was closed by them to go buy the door spacer.. 

Thought I'd go work on the trailer etc, then this joint was rooted, and couldnt search

So all in all, it was an unproductive day!

If you have had a swing arm on for more than 12 mths might be worth checking.. mines been on for 3-4yrs and never taken it off...
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2012, 04:04:15 PM »
What are you doing messing around with that.........you have wiring to do!!

Looks like the top bearing was supporting it all well enough, probably helps that the arm sits in a keeper when closed so the bearing does not have a lot of additional forces acting on it all the time.
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2012, 04:08:30 PM »
Quote from: Burnsy on September 17, 2012, 04:04:15 PM
What are you doing messing around with that.........you have wiring to do!!
I've been searching for your jayco build thread!
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2012, 04:26:39 PM »
Quote from: Burnsy on September 17, 2012, 04:16:41 PM
Here is the dist block

http://myswag.org/forum/index.php?topic=4626.msg308801#msg308801
been on ebay and lookin at stuff... I could spend thousands on there :(
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2012, 04:31:18 PM »
Here it is
https://www.whitworths.com.au/main_itemdetail.asp?cat=123&item=33586&intAbsolutePage=3

If you can not get it for less than $65 let me know as I can mail you one for that price.
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2012, 02:49:14 PM »
So I had a though today, wondering if you can run the spare on the door with the 285 on a GU with the Kaymar since its differnet shape to factory bar.

Called Kaymar and they said yes, with the door spacer. So thats good

While there asked price on a new bar, for Shits and giggles

Bar  $2431.00
Jerry can swingarm $905
Wheelcarrier  $766
If you buy as package its *only* $3900


also
Work light $260 with led.
Spare tyre bracket Spacer - $125

Sadly a 6 week wait LOL!...
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2012, 04:56:40 PM »
Quote from: Lost on September 17, 2012, 03:48:18 PM
I'm not sure, but can anyone help out whats up with the bearings here ??? ???

Yes the swingaway worked 100% fine.. It was smooth, and opened fine!

It was one of them easy jobs that will take 10 mins. Thought I'll remove the swing away, fix the broken bolt on the right of the stubb that usually locks the arm in place when open, then put the bracket back on the door and drive to Werribee... Well, Ummm... Computer says NO...

It appears as though the orange dust cover in top photo that sits under the bottom bearing doesnt allow water that gets in to get out ..... = FAIL...

Just too add injury to insult, the small part circled in orange as I was smashing that part off the bearing off the stubb, that broke off, chiped the rear door and came back and hit me in the cheek about 2inches from my eye... 

Then I remembered the time, and ARB was closed by them to go buy the door spacer.. 

Thought I'd go work on the trailer etc, then this joint was rooted, and couldnt search

So all in all, it was an unproductive day!

If you have had a swing arm on for more than 12 mths might be worth checking.. mines been on for 3-4yrs and never taken it off...
Hey Lost


Mine is getting a little notchy so just wondering which bearings you got to fix this up... I assume you did fix this  ?   :)
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2012, 05:05:26 PM »
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Mine is getting a little notchy so just wondering which bearings you got to fix this up... I assume you did fix this  ?   :)
Not yet, gotta find bearing #. Didnt feel like asking Kaymar, compared to CBC bearings I'd need to sell the house.

I do have the otherside swing at home with bearing in it,I'll look tonight.

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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2012, 05:52:47 PM »
Quote from: kiwipete on September 18, 2012, 04:56:40 PM
.........Mine is getting a little notchy so just wondering which bearings you got to fix this up... I assume you did fix this  ?   :)

The early bars use Holden stubs (LM bearings), and later bars use Ford stubs (SL bearings).
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2012, 09:02:46 PM »
Quote from: GeoffA on September 18, 2012, 05:52:47 PM
The early bars use Holden stubs (LM bearings), and later bars use Ford stubs (SL bearings).
So whats early and whats late? :(

The bearing has NO markings on it at all.. and the seals dont either :(
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2012, 10:01:55 PM »
Quote from: Lost on September 18, 2012, 09:02:46 PM
So whats early and whats late? :(

The bearing has NO markings on it at all.. and the seals dont either :(

I thought you might ask that...... ;D

I dunno. Maybe call Kaymar. Mine was made in April 2000. It has Holden stubs. I picked up a LH wheel carrier, and it came with SL bearings. The LM and SL bearing cups have the same OD, so it wasn't an issue. I just fitted LM bearings and put it on the car.

Ford stub axles are roughly 22mm (7/8") OD for the small bearing, 35mm (1 3/8") OD for the large bearing, 44mm (1 3/4") for the seal.
Holden stubs are smaller at both bearing points, and 38mm (1 1/2") for the seal.
(....disclaimer.......all sizes measured with a steel rule, so are approx....)

If yours has Ford stubs, I've got plenty of SL bearings and seals. The bearings are used, but are fine for wheel carrier use, and the seals are new......... (I changed the bearings on the camper last weekend.......)

Anything else I can help you with.......??...... ;D ;D ;D

 :cheers:
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2012, 11:51:14 PM »
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Anything else I can help you with.......??...... ;D ;D ;D
a money tree...

and lessons on auto electrics... :(
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2012, 06:34:36 AM »
Quote from: Lost on September 18, 2012, 11:51:14 PM
a money tree...

and lessons on auto electrics... :(

How about free bearings and seal if your rear bar has Ford stubs......... ;D

Red on red, black on black........and KISS
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2012, 10:25:38 AM »
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LOL... I got that part, beyond that FUBAR...
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2012, 04:12:18 PM »
Quote from: Lost on September 17, 2012, 03:48:18 PM
I'm not sure, but can anyone help out whats up with the bearings here ??? ???



Yes the swingaway worked 100% fine.. It was smooth, and opened fine!



It was one of them easy jobs that will take 10 mins. Thought I'll remove the swing away, fix the broken bolt on the right of the stubb that usually locks the arm in place when open, then put the bracket back on the door and drive to Werribee... Well, Ummm... Computer says NO...

It appears as though the orange dust cover in top photo that sits under the bottom bearing doesnt allow water that gets in to get out ..... = FAIL...

Just too add injury to insult, the small part circled in orange as I was smashing that part off the bearing off the stubb, that broke off, chiped the rear door and came back and hit me in the cheek about 2inches from my eye... 

Then I remembered the time, and ARB was closed by them to go buy the door spacer.. 

Thought I'd go work on the trailer etc, then this joint was rooted, and couldnt search

So all in all, it was an unproductive day!

If you have had a swing arm on for more than 12 mths might be worth checking.. mines been on for 3-4yrs and never taken it off...
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2012, 02:49:30 PM »
Quote from: Swaggie on September 21, 2012, 04:12:18 PM


Thanks for the heads up...Must check my Kaymar Bar now...

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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2014, 05:10:05 PM »
Dragging this one up from the archives...

When packing up at the snow the other day I noticed the Kaymar swingaway wheel carrier had a bit of a wobble. It swung ok, but felt like the castle nut needed tightening.

Today I pulled it apart - and was greeted by a mess of old rank grease and water. The top bearing was non-existent - similar to Bird's photo - just the internal part of the carrier. The needle bearings went flying and there was no outer cage. The bottom bearing was intact but seized.

I'm not sure how the water gets in. I can only guess that it is too much blast in the water blaster at the local carwash.

I've replaced the bearings with a set from SuperCheap - I used the marine kit as it had an extra seal in it. Time will tell if it works. Once all back together it works like a new one.

The carrier is a 2004 vintage on a 100 Series IFS. I found the Ford bearings to be the right size. (If anyone wants a Holden set let me know...I guessed wrong!  ???)

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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2014, 11:56:31 AM »
Quote from: Tim - Stratford on July 06, 2014, 05:10:05 PM
Dragging this one up from the archives...

When packing up at the snow the other day I noticed the Kaymar swingaway wheel carrier had a bit of a wobble. It swung ok, but felt like the castle nut needed tightening.

Today I pulled it apart - and was greeted by a mess of old rank grease and water. The top bearing was non-existent - similar to Bird's photo - just the internal part of the carrier. The needle bearings went flying and there was no outer cage. The bottom bearing was intact but seized.

I'm not sure how the water gets in. I can only guess that it is too much blast in the water blaster at the local carwash.

I've replaced the bearings with a set from SuperCheap - I used the marine kit as it had an extra seal in it. Time will tell if it works. Once all back together it works like a new one.

The carrier is a 2004 vintage on a 100 Series IFS. I found the Ford bearings to be the right size. (If anyone wants a Holden set let me know...I guessed wrong!  ???)

Tim
Im bettin theres quite a lot in the same condition! Ford bearings on mine too...
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Re: Kaymar Swingaway bearing issue
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2014, 12:18:58 PM »
Time check mine then, thanks for the reminder. I should have done this over the weekend as I'm getting the rear bar re-sprayed today after a low speed collision recently.
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