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Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« on: July 29, 2012, 07:03:45 PM »
G'day all,

Just after thoughts regarding what you would think would make a good all-round police 4WD. The main function is 'in the bush' in hilly and alpine environments, specifically, the Alpine National Park.

The vehicle should be as safe as possible, ie all the new fangled stability gadgets, roomy and comfortable and most importantly, have all the required equipment available as a factory/dealer option.

There has been ongoing discussions, sometimes heated, in relation to this $64,000 question.....post your ideas and include your justifications if game.  ;D


Comments???  :police:

...next we'll move onto tyres for the 'winner'..... ;D


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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2012, 07:06:17 PM »
76 series Cruiser.........
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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2012, 07:18:49 PM »

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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2012, 07:29:39 PM »
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We have the Pootrol at Diamo but I would rather have the above. Thats why I bought one! Is Guy letting u choose one?
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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2012, 07:30:38 PM »
76 series Cruiser.........

It is pretty close to the top of the list but a bit 'low-tech' in the safety gear. No side/curtain airbags and I don't think it has VSC, maybe a bit light on in fuel capacity too - happy to be corrected. It does have a snorkel, steel bullbar, winch and cargo barrier as options which is a plus.

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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2012, 07:33:34 PM »
It is pretty close to the top of the list but a bit 'low-tech' in the safety gear. No side/curtain airbags and I don't think it has VSC, maybe a bit light on in fuel capacity too - happy to be corrected. It does have a snorkel, steel bullbar, winch and cargo barrier as options which is a plus.

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I wouldn't go the mods that Toyota do. I have heard their bars and winch arent the best. So go after market. IMO
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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2012, 07:33:56 PM »
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We have the Pootrol at Diamo but I would rather have the above. Thats why I bought one! Is Guy letting u choose one?
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There's a bit of a 'project' underway in the far east (used to be Far Q - say it quick  ;D) the lads have the braid on-board so we'll see what happens. No-one is happy with the Patrols up this way. We just got told the pod is coming out of them - too dangerous and contradicts policy.


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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2012, 07:35:53 PM »

I wouldn't go the mods that Toyota do. I have heard their bars and winch arent the best. So go after market. IMO

I think we're locked in to factory/dealer options only....Mate has a work 200 - no snorkel as no Toyota option...... ???

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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2012, 07:39:48 PM »
There's a bit of a 'project' underway in the far east (used to be Far Q - say it quick  ;D) the lads have the braid on-board so we'll see what happens. No-one is happy with the Patrols up this way. We just got told the pod is coming out of them - too dangerous and contradicts policy.


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The only thing you would have in the pod is the deer you just shot,lol. Mate I get a V8 at work so dont need the fourby. I have the E class and drove work Patrol and IMO is crap. Definitely need to go Landcruiser. I dont think the braid will pay for 200 series so you may have to look at the Workmate 76 GXL which wil be coming out with ABS which I just missed out on. Possibly with lockers as standard.
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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2012, 07:41:12 PM »
I think we're locked in to factory/dealer options only....Mate has a work 200 - no snorkel as no Toyota option...... ???

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I dont know how that works because the other fourbys I have driven have Warn winches,snorkels etc.
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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2012, 07:47:14 PM »

I dont know how that works because the other fourbys I have driven have Warn winches,snorkels etc.

Our Nissans have snorkels as standard and the dealer fits Warn, I think Toyota still use Superwinch. Our Pajeros up this way don't have snorkels which makes us a bit nervous heading into Talbotville etc with the river crossings!  ;D

There was a news article regarding the 70 Series last week - that they only have a 5 year shelf life left in Aust due to new ANCAP restrictions on commercial vehicles - they'll need side/curtain airbags to continue and Toyota don't agree with it....hopefully they just add them!......and also an 18mths wait on the GX 200.

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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2012, 07:47:48 PM »
I guess a helicopter is out of the question. 






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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2012, 07:48:26 PM »
After watching a bloke in my clubs 76 on ARB suspension around Robe it wouldnt be top of my list...
The thing looked like it would roll over and the occupants would be seasick 1/2 way up the first track that was fairly uneven (like wombat holes)...

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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2012, 07:50:49 PM »
Cost will be a factor no doubt,

My 2 bobs worth,

Nissan Patrol, Mitsubishi Pajero, Base model 200 series cruiser. I discounted the 76 because of leaf springs and safety features. These are not in order of preference.

I quantify my opinion with; I worked in Tumut in the NSW Snowy mountains for 13 years as a fisheries officer and accessed all of the same tracks and locations (more even) than the local police. In this time I had 80 series, 100 series and Nissan patrol wagons and a TDV8 76 cab chassis with telstra box fitted. I did all of my night work and lots of my day work with both the Parkies and the Talbingo and Tumut police. This included Koszi and all it had to offer. These ops were for many purposes including illegal hunting, fish poaching, wild life poaching and search/drug crops and rescue.

I spent a lot of time in Police vehicles, however they would usually prefer to patrol in mine because it was better kitted out in a number of ways. Unfortunately the most basic was mud tyres for snow work, where they were confined to standard road rubber (Just dumb management).

The police had Nissan patrol wagons at the time (3lt) and I cannot remember being let down by one of them, yes there are issues with torque etc however when it came to getting the job done they were fine. At this time also the cops started to change over to the Pajeros and I must say they were impressive from an engine/drive line point of view and a totally different animal to the Nissan. The Pajero was better in a lot of areas than the Nissan's because of all of the electronic aids, stability and traction control, it would drive up things the old school tech in the Nissan would struggle with, in other areas the Nissan was better, ultimately off road the Nissan won simply because of higher ground clearance in the snow. A lot of the tracks have small trees laying across them that fall over or snap off from the weight of snow (Particularly so with tracks closed to the general public - think lost cross country skiers) in the Nissan you could just barge and bash through where you had to be a bit more careful and strategic in the Pajero - this could make a difference in an emergency.

Lastly the base 200 series, it is a progression of the landcruisers of the day, and the 100 series was a mighty beast for both a police and fisheries vehicle in the day, yes the 1HZ was a bit slow but in the bush it had the traits of the Nissan's ruggedness and also the low down grunt of the engine when things got challenging. I believe the base 200 would be a progression of this, with better safety features/engines etc.

Hope this means something. They may not be flash and have all of the bells and whistles that the guys want but these vehicles have proven themselves in the field and done exactly what you have asked and they tick all of the needs.

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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2012, 07:57:18 PM »
They ahve the 76 series out this way, and with the cage in the back, and all the additional weight the police have to carry, we call it the police turtle.  They are running BFG AT's, and have already been through 2 sets of tyres in 5 months, but then they sit on 100 kph on rough roads as a standard.  New police now though, so we will see how these guys go.
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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2012, 07:59:13 PM »
After watching a bloke in my clubs 76 on ARB suspension around Robe it wouldnt be top of my list...
The thing looked like it would roll over and the occupants would be seasick 1/2 way up the first track that was fairly uneven (like wombat holes)...

each to their own.

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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2012, 08:02:29 PM »
Is this rig a personal or a company banger  ???
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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2012, 08:04:12 PM »
200 series.
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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2012, 08:09:55 PM »
Is this rig a personal or a company banger  ???



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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2012, 08:13:51 PM »
Can you get a 2in lift or is this not in the game for the Pajero .  ???
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2012, 08:20:25 PM »
Prado or 76, the problem you have is speed rating on tyres, local police pajeros have snorkels but tyres are road slicks to get the speed rating. You don't want something that will be a chore on the highway so you also want something comfy, Let's face it, goverment cars will go heaps further than privately owned ones anyway.

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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2012, 08:30:11 PM »
Can you get a 2in lift or is this not in the game for the Pajero .  ???


I dont think VicPol do two inch lifts. The tyres are different, sometimes Wranglers, or  BFG,. Depends on who gets the contract to supply, usually around this way they will appoint a local dealer to,provide them.
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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2012, 08:37:17 PM »
Do you need a divvy/paddy/box-back unit (dual cab), or wagon?

Most of the work there is GD and looking after ski/tourist traffic on bitumen

Pajero is the pick for urgent duty work as it is the tightest/most forgiving handler of the lot and has some stonk
It's full-time 4WD capable
Full chassis electronics etc so is very capable in real-world situations AND ticks all the boxes for safety/OHS

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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2012, 08:41:05 PM »
GeeTee,

Mainly for bush patrols and searches etc - don't need the pod/van type - We do encounter rivers, creeks, hills and snow - all the good stuff. Ground clearance can be a big issue depending on where we go.


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Re: Best 4WD for police duties in Alpine/Bush area???
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2012, 08:43:56 PM »
I think we're locked in to factory/dealer options only....

Landcruiser 76/78 with the mine spec pack, which includes roll over protection - might get around the air bag requirement.
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