Author Topic: New Patrol unlikely to ever offer a diesel engine (Read 32953 times)

D4D · « **Reply #25 on:** July 24, 2012, 08:23:59 PM »

I also looked at the 4.8 as they're really cheap. The issue for me is range. Even with a long range tank, you won't get 1000 klms out of a tank. Which means you have to take jerrys which is a whole PITA.

swanny · « **Reply #26 on:** July 24, 2012, 08:26:33 PM »

Quote from: D4D on July 24, 2012, 09:43:33 AM

Petrol only, big flop coming up

Do tell.....all ears

WogsRus · « **Reply #27 on:** July 24, 2012, 08:32:36 PM »

You will have to see, i will make the comment that the new power plant is already in use.

l0ckym · « **Reply #28 on:** July 24, 2012, 08:40:17 PM »

If I was a betting man, and I'm not..it'll be the renault 6cyl diesel from the Navara/Pathy 550...makes sense really - not sure what they are like long term though..

WogsRus · « **Reply #29 on:** July 24, 2012, 08:42:08 PM »

I can neither confirm or deny that comment.........................

BigJules · « **Reply #30 on:** July 24, 2012, 08:53:17 PM »

Quote from: l0ckym on July 24, 2012, 08:40:17 PM

If I was a betting man, and I'm not..it'll be the renault 6cyl diesel from the Navara/Pathy 550...makes sense really - not sure what they are like long term though..

That's what I was expecting to go into the Y62.

WogsRus · « **Reply #31 on:** July 24, 2012, 08:55:47 PM »

Nope As far as i know and i know a fair bit, the Y62 will not be offered as a deisel

chisel · « **Reply #32 on:** July 24, 2012, 09:13:20 PM »

I think they'd need a more powerful diesel than the 170kW 550 V6 in this Y62, otherwise it will just seem pathetic alongside the 200 series V8 TTD and the Y62 petrol.
It'd be great to see the 550 diesel in the GU though ... but you'd think they would've already done that if they were considering it?? It's not a new engine.

BigJules · « **Reply #33 on:** July 24, 2012, 09:13:31 PM »

Refer my first post.

. This is what I expected in the Y62 until it was made clear that it wouldn't have a diesel option. Crazy.

Yours looks good though. One could do worse.

WogsRus · « **Reply #34 on:** July 24, 2012, 09:15:59 PM »

The issue with the new engine as i know it is that there was actually a fair bit of chassis and fire wall rejig. The V6 sits higher and further back in the bay and as such essentially the car had to do a lot of redesign to tweak it for the V6.

But that is only hearsay

JU5T1N · « **Reply #35 on:** July 24, 2012, 09:46:13 PM »

Quote from: D4D on July 24, 2012, 08:23:59 PM

I also looked at the 4.8 as they're really cheap. The issue for me is range. Even with a long range tank, you won't get 1000 klms out of a tank. Which means you have to take jerrys which is a whole PITA.

A mate of mine's 4.8L has 5 speed man, L/R main & sub, 33's, Touring rack, full ARB set up (ex-demo car)
My 4.8 auto with 35's, F/R ARB bars, High mount steel cable winch, loaded for holidays with 2 kids 2 adults Jayco Swan OB on 33's got average 840kms out of twin L/R tanks. On gas I got less, 320kms for 80L of LPG for same set up.
Problem solved now. No need to upgrade got my power and economy. Not really sure what would be an replacement/upgrade ATM.

JethroT · « **Reply #36 on:** July 24, 2012, 10:12:59 PM »

All Nissan needs to do is get rid of the 3 Litre handgrenade and everyone will be interested, new model or not.

WogsRus · « **Reply #37 on:** July 24, 2012, 10:19:20 PM »

As an aside, and something that most people don;'t know, from 2010 onwards, the ZD30 i basically a completely different engine, it bears very little to no resemblance to its predecessor so much so that the computer also runs active tourqe management amongst other things.

There has been no reported issues with any cars post 2008 AFAIK.....

Mace · « **Reply #38 on:** July 24, 2012, 10:26:49 PM »

I think Nissan is re=jigging its lineup.

V8 Petrol "Armada" based top end Wagon

Proposed Renault V6 Deisel in existing Patrol

New Pathfinder city Slicker SUV.

achjimmy · « **Reply #39 on:** July 24, 2012, 11:15:50 PM »

Quote from: WogsRus on July 24, 2012, 10:19:20 PM

As an aside, and something that most people don;'t know, from 2010 onwards, the ZD30 i basically a completely different engine, it bears very little to no resemblance to its predecessor so much so that the computer also runs active tourqe management amongst other things.

There has been no reported issues with any cars post 2008 AFAIK.....

Yeah but its gutless and what about the fuel pump, have they stopped failing or is that still bad fuel issues?

boobook · « **Reply #40 on:** July 25, 2012, 06:01:25 AM »

WogsRus if you really are in the know about a new 6cyl diesel being released in the patrol in just 3 months, what on earth would make you forego that, and buy a 4 cyl underpowered time bomb anniversary edition?

WogsRus · « **Reply #41 on:** July 25, 2012, 07:03:23 AM »

Well I only became in THE know upon my return to work from my round O trip :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(, plus i got a 30% discount on the car plus a GREAT trade on my old Paj, could not pass it up I have plenty of mods in mind to make the Old D get along

The fuel economy on my D is great, getting 980Km out of the main and sub tank, so that 115L to fill up, all town driving

The fuel pump can be an issue but i know my patrol has two water fuel traps and a pre fuel filter as well as a main filter, but yeah, Nissan can still put it down to bad fuel issue My car is on a lease and i fill up at only one petrol station, thus having a full history, which would make Nissan have to think twice

BigJules · « **Reply #42 on:** July 25, 2012, 08:21:07 AM »

There always a next model. At some point you have to put your money down. You haven't done the wrong thing; you've bought a tough wagon that will see you go everywhere for ages.

cm4x4nut · « **Reply #43 on:** July 25, 2012, 02:42:09 PM »

Quote from: chisel on July 24, 2012, 09:13:20 PM

I think they'd need a more powerful diesel than the 170kW 550 V6 in this Y62, otherwise it will just seem pathetic alongside the 200 series V8 TTD and the Y62 petrol.
It'd be great to see the 550 diesel in the GU though ... but you'd think they would've already done that if they were considering it?? It's not a new engine.

The final choice for our new tug came down to the 550 nav or the 200. i must say, I walked away feeling somewhat underwhelmed by the 550 and auto combination. It would be a big improvement on the ZD but I think there would really be more work needed before it could compete with the 200.

Bird · « **Reply #44 on:** July 25, 2012, 03:31:53 PM »

Quote from: JU5T1N

Problem solved now. No need to upgrade got my power and economy. Not really sure what would be an replacement/upgrade ATM.

yea but if its like Vinces, carry a very Fkin large fire extinguisher 40kg job should do.

JU5T1N · « **Reply #45 on:** July 25, 2012, 07:59:50 PM »

Quote from: Lost on July 25, 2012, 03:31:53 PM

yea but if its like Vinces, carry a very Fkin large fire extinguisher 40kg job should do.

I'm curious, I guess he had a fire. Which motor? Who's workmanship? Is there a link?

JU5T1N · « **Reply #46 on:** July 25, 2012, 08:12:58 PM »

Quote from: WogsRus on July 24, 2012, 10:19:20 PM

As an aside, and something that most people don;'t know, from 2010 onwards, the ZD30 i basically a completely different engine, it bears very little to no resemblance to its predecessor so much so that the computer also runs active tourqe management amongst other things.

There has been no reported issues with any cars post 2008 AFAIK.....

Problem is the ear mark hasn't washed off after so many years of saying problem solve when it wasn't. And not a cheap fix considering how low the km's were for some people. In a lot of these cases we seen people who had spent most of their weekly wage on their ZD30 only to have their lives turned upside down. These people are hard to win back.

dazzler · « **Reply #47 on:** July 25, 2012, 08:38:03 PM »

Quote from: JU5T1N on July 25, 2012, 08:12:58 PM

Problem is the ear mark hasn't washed off after so many years of saying problem solve when it wasn't. And not a cheap fix considering how low the km's were for some people. In a lot of these cases we seen people who had spent most of their weekly wage on their ZD30 only to have their lives turned upside down. These people are hard to win back.

SPot on Justin.

The crazy thing is that the ZD30 had been around in lots and lots of models without issue. You would think if there were going to be heating issues it would have been in the forward control vans and such.

Nissan must have been pulling their hair out.

Bird · « **Reply #48 on:** July 25, 2012, 08:50:40 PM »

Quote from: JU5T1N

I'm curious, I guess he had a fire. Which motor? Who's workmanship? Is there a link?

Duramax with 6sp alison auto tricked into a 5speed .

the fuel lines and oil lines wer less than 2inches from the exhaust manifold. Basalt Knob is a big climb, lots of heat on the loud pedal = code brown. Theres pics on patrol forum of the gearbox and the oil.... Hes had heaps of problems with his conversion... poor prick... First a grenade, then this.

We spent 2 hours last night tryin to get the left header off to get HPC coated. Theres absoloutely ZERO room in engine bay now! shes a large donk, but the power... is amazing.
He hopes that should help with the heat. The heat wrap was pretty average. When its going its fawkin amazing... Having been in it, I'd love it, but no way I'd do it for the money...

Quote from: JU5T1N on July 25, 2012, 08:12:58 PM

Problem is the ear mark hasn't washed off after so many years of saying problem solve when it wasn't. And not a cheap fix considering how low the km's were for some people. In a lot of these cases we seen people who had spent most of their weekly wage on their ZD30 only to have their lives turned upside down. These people are hard to win back.

x 3...
but I dont think they want to win them back. as you say, the way they were treated was almost criminal.

GGV8Cruza · « **Reply #49 on:** July 25, 2012, 10:53:27 PM »

Quote from: chisel on July 24, 2012, 10:45:04 AM

I wonder if ARB (and co) will even bother with aftermarket gear for the new Patrol?

Looks like they will

GG

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Author Topic: New Patrol unlikely to ever offer a diesel engine (Read 32953 times)