This is wrong!!!

[becboo]

My hubby is a miner.  Has been for a while!!  He has also worked in the rural industry, been self-employed.  Was away more with the rural industry than a fly in fly out job.


The good thing about employing Australian miners, even if it costs more, is they spend money in Australia, whether imported or Australian made.

Foreigners live on absolute basics and send the majority of the pay packet home to their foreign country..

Am i right or wrong? or...... is it not that black and white?

just asking.......

Bec

[gacoxd]

If you want to get a job in the mining industry you need to show some sort of a commitment to getting yourself in the best position to be hired.

Find out the what the pre employment conditions are and do them off your own bat.  Some of them may not apply (and I can only remember the QLD ones) depending on the type of mining but the ones below are the basics.
-   A coal board medical
-  a surface mining induction
-  an underground mining induction (covers use of rebreathers etc.)
-  a first aid course including CPR and use of a defibrillator.

This will necessitate spending a bit of cash but in my experience, the guys who do this have picked up jobs in the mining industry.

A trade skill and a preparedness to FIFO or move are not necessarily enough because there heaps of guys in the same boat.

Damo

[gacoxd]

Yeh crackacoldie feel free to tell me where it is these remote mining companies are advertising for workers as like alot of Australian workers I am also trying to get into the mines and am willing to go anywhere to work. Why make it so hard to find these jobs when apparently we have a shortage of skilled workers put it out so we can all see them.

This is where we put ours.

https://riotinto.taleo.net/careersection/4/jobsearch.ftl?lang=en

Damo

[BigJules]

The good thing about employing Australian miners, even if it costs more, is they spend money in Australia, whether imported or Australian made.

Foreigners live on absolute basics and send the majority of the pay packet home to their foreign country..

Am i right or wrong? or...... is it not that black and white?

just asking.......

Bec

I agree with you

[gacoxd]

I really can't get why people buy into this class war that the miners are cash up evil companies that are 'ripping us off of our resources'.  They are out to make money like any other business and to return the profits to their shareholders.  And who is the shareholders?  You and I of course, our super funds, etc.  If you ruin investment in this country you are really biting the hand that feeds.

I'll give you the tip.  The rocks are ours and are an unrenewable resource that can only be sold once.

Last year, with the big two being dual listed companies, 86% of the profit (and the potential tax) went overseas.

So yeah there is a class war.  The same class war that makes you pay full price for diesel (artificially inflated prices due to mining demand at that) while your taxes provide diesel fuel rebates to the tune of 4 billion for the miners.

If you are sick of the class war I am equally sick of people rushing to the defence of the poor defenceless miners. 

Trust me they aren't going anywhere.

[yandiferal]

i work in tom price for a big miner my wife works with me as well, my cusion has just moved in with us as he couldn't get a FIFO job, to cut along story short its not what you its who you know goodluck people. and yes this will make it harder for those that aren't working in the mines already..

[Symon]

I'll give you the tip.  The rocks are ours and are an unrenewable resource that can only be sold once.

Last year, with the big two being dual listed companies, 86% of the profit (and the potential tax) went overseas.

So yeah there is a class war.  The same class war that makes you pay full price for diesel (artificially inflated prices due to mining demand at that) while your taxes provide diesel fuel rebates to the tune of 4 billion for the miners.

If you are sick of the class war I am equally sick of people rushing to the defence of the poor defenceless miners. 

Trust me they aren't going anywhere.

Yes, and out of those big profits the majority of it was re-invested into major capital projects in this country.  From your earlier post you work for the same company I do.  I can tell you that a lot of those big projects now hang in the balance due to the uncertainty that this federal government is projecting.

Think what you like, but from what I see the big miners are not in as strong a position as what many think.

(as an aside, the price of diesel is tied to the SE Asian market price, it has little to do with the mining industry.  If anything the transport industry would have a bigger impact than mines)

[BigJules]

Their investments only benefits the mining companies though, an they claim it all on depreciation.

I certainly don't wish to demonise the mining co's, they're not evil at all, but as above they're our collective minerals and the collective benefit is not being derived so far.

If this was, say, China, do you think their Govt would allow the importation of cheap labour from central Europe to do the work? No way! If the minerals cannot be mined economically using a majority of Australian labour then leave it in the ground until economic condition or world supply/demand mean that it is profitable to do it.

We have it. They need it.

[achjimmy]

! If the minerals cannot be mined economically using a majority of Australian labour then leave it in the ground until economic condition or world supply/demand mean that it is profitable to do it.

We have it. They need it.

Yep big +1 no rush, oil companies are capping new finds in hard to get places all the time waiting for the price to meet cost of recovery.

[Nomad]

All of this is a reflection of our government and their policy on business, whether it be a large mining company or small / medium enterprise.......I have a business that employed, at its peak, 19 people. Through natural attrition I am down to 11 and soon 10. I am not replacing staff as they retire or move on. And I am proud that I have not had to sack any staff through this Sh!tfight, but I have taken on extra debt to pay wages and bills, one day hopefully my business can pay me back........but it won't be by hiring staff overseas....but if I was in a business that could I would seriously think about it.

I don't care if you arrive in my town wanting to sell cheap chinese trailers or manufacture high end campers locally, both give jobs and have a place in our economy.

Small business has felt the brunt of this governments b#llShit and large business has felt the brunt of union b#llShit............

The really bad thing is that we are on a camper trailer forum and more and more of the threads are because of politics / unions / scandals.......................

Actually....we may be the new Morgan Gallop Poll.....we are as diverse a group as possible enjoying common interests...........maybe we can get a fee out of telling them this stuff...........

Cheers Nomad, who is not sure which smiley face to use atm is.

[achjimmy]

Seems Jetstar ate about to face FW Australia over doing something dodgy over froiegn workers

[Symon]

Their investments only benefits the mining companies though, an they claim it all on depreciation.

I certainly don't wish to demonise the mining co's, they're not evil at all, but as above they're our collective minerals and the collective benefit is not being derived so far.

If this was, say, China, do you think their Govt would allow the importation of cheap labour from central Europe to do the work? No way! If the minerals cannot be mined economically using a majority of Australian labour then leave it in the ground until economic condition or world supply/demand mean that it is profitable to do it.

We have it. They need it.

China is currently buying up big on western technology.  If you look just at coal alone China has more than what it needs within their own borders.  The difference is they haven't been able to economically extract it.  That will soon change, lessening their need for ours.  Another sobering thought is that only 5% of the world's coal comes from Australia. http://www.worldcoal.org/coal/where-is-coal-found/

We are in a stronger position with iron ore with 18%, but again China has much more.

[BigJules]

China is slowing too. As Europe and the US cool so does the manufacturing sector over there. This is another thing that needs to be addressed by the mining communities; how sustainable are they? What is being done to protect the investment made by individuals in property, most of which was purchased at premium prices.

[Symon]

I agree.  There is a lot of faith being put in India and other markets to replace China.

[Nomad]

What is being done to protect the investment made by individuals in property, most of which was purchased at premium prices.

Caveat Emptor.

[Estelle]

I thought the Lib/Country Party brought in  Visa 457 .

[achjimmy]

Maybe they did and it is/was an excellent way to bring in specialist skilled labour where needed i have used it for people you simply couldnt get here, BUT 1700 overseas works for a mine! Or jet star using flights to have Thai workers fly in for several shifts and fly home under different pay conditions is wrong.

[achjimmy]

I wonder where Gina and the Australian Government could fine 1700+ people capable of working , already living in the outback with no job and on welfare that could be re/trained???

Image how that would help Australia?

[Chris-Vi]

I would love to land a job in the mines. It seems to be who you know and not what you know. I went and got my coal board medical and will do my above ground generic course at my expense when I see some jobs. So far all my applications have gone unanswered. There seems to be a lot of companies out there making money off the back of the so called mining boom offering courses with inflated prices and no guarantee of a job.
So where are all these jobs? They should hire Australian first and that would solve the unemployment problem. 

[Estelle]

Maybe they did and it is/was an excellent way to bring in specialist skilled labour where needed i have used it for people you simply couldnt get here, BUT 1700 overseas works for a mine! Or jet star using flights to have Thai workers fly in for several shifts and fly home under different pay conditions is wrong.

For this to happen, The Richest Lady would need to follow the guidlines set out in the forms and regulation.

This Govt. seems to be about to attempt to modify the legislation so that this sort of thing doesn't happen again.

Just don't see how this Govt is being blamed for the existing problem.

This Govt. can stuff things up just as well as any other.

Legislations need to be reviewed and modified where necessary. It is impossible to bring in a perfect Legislation.

[olddigger]

I shared the general worry about this foreign workers plan until I saw a report in the Melbourne Herald Sun yesterday. They spoke to blokes at a Centrelink office, nearly half of whom said they preferred to stay on the dole at $244 a week rather than try for a job on a WA mine! The same report said cleaners were getting up to $2700 a week on the mines.
Faced with that attitude, it's no wonder Gina's gone for the foreign option.

[cruisindub]

Nice picture of Australia's richest woman uoy above.
If figures recently published are correct, $52 million a day or over a million ever half hour?

A school for austistic children has closed own because they can't get $200k to stay open.


Something doesn't quite compute.

[Kalebjarrod]

Part one

By 2017 twiggy, gina and Palmer will have a bigger surplus in there account than the entire Australian government?..

That's too much

Part two

They put little money into family orientated affordable housing in remote areas, this isolates numerous potential Australian workers and does nothing for the growth of our regional areas.

The sad thing is BOTH sides of government are doing nothing to solve this issue

[becboo]

I shared the general worry about this foreign workers plan until I saw a report in the Melbourne Herald Sun yesterday. They spoke to blokes at a Centrelink office, nearly half of whom said they preferred to stay on the dole at $244 a week rather than try for a job on a WA mine! The same report said cleaners were getting up to $2700 a week on the mines.
Faced with that attitude, it's no wonder Gina's gone for the foreign option.

The key word here is "Centrelink"

Says it all

[D4D]

Some air is coming out of the bubble
http://www.theage.com.au/business/bhp-mega-projects-put-on-hold-20120529-1zhc1.html