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Re: Scientific studies
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2012, 01:24:50 PM »
Theories are only as good as the quality of the observations that back them up.

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Re: Scientific studies
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2012, 02:47:36 PM »
In fairness to the researchers how did you know it was rubbish without reading the study?

If we are going to slag them off shouldn't we at least know what we are slagging?

Why would we do that.........?? ;D ;D
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Re: Scientific studies
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2012, 02:48:24 PM »
Well I can prove that the "McGirr Theory" regarding the enormous use of electrical tape used when joning wires has been observed and proven to work.  ;D ;D

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Does this apply to the use of silicone too.....?? ;D ;D
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Re: Scientific studies
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2012, 02:57:04 PM »
Why would we do that.........?? ;D ;D

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Re: Scientific studies
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2012, 03:23:17 PM »
That's a bit cynical.    Richard Dawkins the atheist says that the theory that there is a teapot orbiting beyond Mars cannot be disproved.    If we take the word "proof" to be an absolute 100.000000% concept, then nothing is ever proved.     Or it can be corrupted eg "The Proof is in the Bible."
Give yourself credit for your academic efforts.   You have to do more than regurgitate other people's ideas to get a degree.   Science is questioning, not acceptance.   And you need to have the scientific mindset to appreciate where the bulls..t lies.      Most people would believe the Ad men that a "high energy low calorie" food is really good for you.    (Calories measure energy)

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I a not denying there is some relevance, and hard work to getting a degree.  Yet at the undergraduate level one basically proves little more than they are capable of understanding and coping with what it takes to "learn" at that level.  Yes science is about questioning, however once the questioning has expired, there is little to do but accept what could be viable until such time as further evidentiary material is available. I have gone further than the basic degree, but feel no use in stating those, as they were post graduate studies from pure interest.
I just get tired of the statement of something being a "scientific fact", when in reality such could be scientifically viable, but rarely, if ever, an established fact.
A clear case of this is the "evolutionary fact" that we come from primates, yet in physiological terms we are more closely related to pigs.  We share the same blood groups, DNA profiling and organs types, all three of which we apparently share with no other life form.  I am not saying we come from pigs, just that we share common physiological traits.  That will probably become the matter of further research one day as well.
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Re: Scientific studies
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2012, 05:25:37 PM »
In fairness to the researchers how did you know it was rubbish without reading the study?

If we are going to slag them off shouldn't we at least know what we are slagging?

I read the article and made the mistake of assuming it was an accurate report. Decision made on my observations of people over the years. Know many very clever people whose Mother was overweight before and during pregnancy. Never noticed it the other way around.

I suppose I could send off for the full research documentation and make an informed comment on that. I might be more informed (maybe even understand it better), but it would still be my opinion and interpretation in the end.

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Re: Scientific studies
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2012, 07:42:38 PM »
I read the article and made the mistake of assuming it was an accurate report. Decision made on my observations of people over the years. Know many very clever people whose Mother was overweight before and during pregnancy. Never noticed it the other way around.

I suppose I could send off for the full research documentation and make an informed comment on that. I might be more informed (maybe even understand it better), but it would still be my opinion and interpretation in the end.

We are told and accept that the world is spherical, but I've never been into space to see for myself.

Hi Estelle
Even if you get a copy of the full research documentation, you will basically be getting what someone has offered as their finding, and that the relevant academic authorities have not been able to disprove.  I would therefore place more trust on what you have observed through your own life experiences.
It may seem like I am being cynical, but I am basically stating how things are done academically.
My own sister in law is very large of build, and we were surprised when she was flown out with the RFDS with severe "stomach cramps", and came back with a healthy baby boy, and she did not even know she was pregnant.  That was kind of scary, especially when she said to us that she did not even kinow she was pregnant.  Her normal body weight is about 150 kg, and at about 160cm in height, that is quite robust (being polite).
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Re: Scientific studies
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2012, 08:55:15 PM »
Hi Tjupurula,

The paper costs about 35 Euro. I don't think I'll bother  :D

There is a link to MedicalXpress.com which has more information. Still, they seem to be stretching.

I doubt I would have a different opinion if I read the paper anyway. Stubborn? maybe, but ...

We had a similar instance many years ago. A neighbour, very much on the heavy side, did not know she was pregnant. Not well, went to the doc only to find out she had lost the bub. So sad.

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Re: Scientific studies
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2012, 09:30:48 PM »
Hi Tjupurula,
Healthy scientific cynicism!
By the way, we don't come from primates, we are primates.   Darwin didn't say we came from apes.   Evolution says that we have a common ancestor.
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Re: Scientific studies
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2012, 09:57:58 PM »
The scientific process at work!  ;D

We could also have blood tranfusions from  (several thousand) mice, or pretty much any placental mammal with some genetic changes. The pigs that are often mentioned (re organ transplants etc.) are heavily genetically modified, a gene that the human body objects to is removed or replaced. Cabbages are also a common ancestor, just depends how far back you want to go  ;D After a big night I often remark on the similarities.

Academic publishing is an out and out rort Estelle. Authors aren't paid, reviewers aren't paid, even editors often aren't paid. Printing costs these days are pretty much nil as most use electronic copies and yet publishing companies charge 50 to 100 bucks to access a single article. On top of that authors have to sign over copyright so that sending a copy of your paper to your mum is potentially a breach. This means that people are unable to access the science to make up their own minds and have to rely on 2nd or 3rd hand accounts. Open access journals are gaining popularity more and more. PloS ONE is one of the better ones if you're that way inclined.

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Re: Scientific studies
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2012, 12:22:35 AM »
This whole thread is just getting a touch too 'deep'.    :angel:

Why do people ask "What the hell were you thinking?"
Obviously I was thinking I was going to get away with it and not have to explain it....

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Re: Scientific studies
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2012, 12:14:15 PM »


I'm just waiting for someone to mention 6B&S and how that might affect the fat mothers having fat kids.

Still puzzled as to how that 6B&S does actually keep your beer cold, regardless of where you got your yeast!!

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