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Patrol GVM.
« on: April 01, 2012, 10:38:30 PM »
Ok so this goes out to the patrol drivers.

Has anyone weighed there set ups?

Was just looking at the patrol pitifull GVM and am now afraid to weigh mine. GVM is 3020kg, with a car that weighs 2400kg in factory trim, it doesnt leave much left over.
Anyone willing to post their weights?

Our Patrol has a fair bit of fruit -  twin wheel carrier (with two wheels), steel bar and winch, roof rack, drawers, twin floor, long range tanks,50L water tank - then ontop of that you add 250kg of People/dogs.
also tow a camper so you also have the towball weight.

Anyone have a similar set up and have a weight?

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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2012, 10:56:38 PM »
Welchy,

Have you had your rear spring tower hats strengthened?
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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2012, 10:58:29 PM »
Quote from: wiseone on April 01, 2012, 10:56:38 PM
Welchy,

Have you had your rear spring tower hats strengthened?

The superior bolt on kit is sitting in the shed - give me a couple of weeks  ;D

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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2012, 01:21:14 AM »
A mate of mine weighed his at GU Patrol new years. His has a steel bar, winch, steel roof rack, him at about 100kg + 3 small kids and a 6.5 ltr chev diesel. Weighed in at 3245kg only 245kg over gvm and he still wants a rear bar.
I checked my Cruiser at the same time, with my kit, my kids and me but no wife or trailer it was 2970kg of its 3200kg gvm.
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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2012, 03:04:58 AM »
Quote from: welchygq on April 01, 2012, 10:38:30 PM
Ok so this goes out to the patrol drivers.

Has anyone weighed there set ups?

Was just looking at the patrol pitifull GVM and am now afraid to weigh mine. GVM is 3020kg, with a car that weighs 2400kg in factory trim, it doesnt leave much left over.
Anyone willing to post their weights?

Our Patrol has a fair bit of fruit -  twin wheel carrier (with two wheels), steel bar and winch, roof rack, drawers, twin floor, long range tanks,50L water tank - then ontop of that you add 250kg of People/dogs.
also tow a camper so you also have the towball weight.

Anyone have a similar set up and have a weight?

Welchy

Mine is similar to yours (99 petrol/gas wagon) minus rear bar and winch. 2.82T with half full tanks and only me in the car (100kg).
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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2012, 07:20:39 AM »
200 series is similar but with bigger numbers.

Nominal kerb weight of 2700 kg, GVM of 3300 kg, similar payload ~ 600 kg.

Mines got steel bull bar & winch, spot lights, no 3rd row seats but full drawers. With me, empty fridge & full fuel, weighed in at 3200 kg!  :o

Thank heavens for GVM upgrade to 3580 kg.
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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2012, 08:01:57 AM »
Quote from: TOPNDR on April 02, 2012, 07:20:39 AM
200 series is similar but with bigger numbers.

Nominal kerb weight of 2700 kg, GVM of 3300 kg, similar payload ~ 600 kg.

Mines got steel bull bar & winch, spot lights, no 3rd row seats but full drawers. With me, empty fridge & full fuel, weighed in at 3200 kg!  :o

Thank heavens for GVM upgrade to 3580 kg.

GVM upgrades can onyl be done before they are registered for the first time but arent they?

And i cant find one for a GU (coil sprung)
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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2012, 11:54:12 AM »
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GVM upgrades can onyl be done before they are registered for the first time but arent they?
unless you find an engineer that has the data.. there was one in NSW that did plenty of ..... "engineer certs" north of sydney, but I think the RTA disagreed with him and he no longer does them...

I took a trip down the border track several years ago, and we stopped in a small place in SA, that had a weighbridge. All Patrols went over it, and from memory none were under legal limit that day... and none were close to "full" of fruit :(
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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2012, 01:20:12 PM »
Quote from: welchygq on April 02, 2012, 08:01:57 AM
GVM upgrades can onyl be done before they are registered for the first time but arent they?

And i cant find one for a GU (coil sprung)
Welchy

No!

I had bought & paid for my Cruiser & registered it before it went to ARB for the GVM upgrade.  There was an issue with the paperwork, because my Cruiser was one of the first 2009 upgrade models to be delivered, so ARB posted me the new compliance plate & paper work about a month after the GVM Upgrade was completed.  All I had to do was fix the compliance plate.
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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2012, 01:33:53 PM »
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No!

I had bought & paid for my Cruiser & registered it before it went to ARB for the GVM upgrade.  There was an issue with the paperwork, because my Cruiser was one of the first 2009 upgrade models to be delivered, so ARB posted me the new compliance plate & paper work about a month after the GVM Upgrade was completed.  All I had to do was fix the compliance plate.

The issue is they need the "test results/data and specs"... Then it can be done after you have paid for rego.

This has been done to many cruisers, thus why its just a cake walk for them. Lucy on Exploroz has had it doen to his cruiser using data several years old. What the *exact* specs of all the data is I couldnt get out of the engineers I called.  There is fark all of the brake tests, etc data for GU patrols.
The main issue is if you have an auto, the data for manuals is no use to u. if you have a 3.0 the 4.2/2.8/4.8 data is no good to either. This is where the costs blows off the scales.
This is what Ateco told me, and why they werent interested at the time in looking into it for the Patrol, their priority at the time was the 200 series with its none existant weight alowance. "in the future they *may* look into it for the 3.0 GU..."
Some other info here -> http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/nissan-patrol-gu-gr-10/increasing-gvm-gu-17506/?highlight=gvm

It would be nice if someone has paid for it all in Vic now, I'd tag off those specs myself, but the track hire alone blew it out of the water.
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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2012, 09:04:50 PM »
Geez can of worms here - thats what i get for trying to do the right thing hey?

I guess i will have to put the car on a serious diet to remain legal. - wonder if drilling a Shit load of holes in the chassis will effect my road legality?  ;D

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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2013, 12:30:50 PM »
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I guess i will have to put the car on a serious diet to remain legal. - wonder if drilling a **** load of holes in the chassis will effect my road legality?  ;D
There has been discussions at one of the 4wd clubs that insurance companies are now paying LOTS of attention to GVM after acccidents and have actually started NOT paying for fat arse 4wd's...


So what is the solution when there is no way on earth to increase GVM ???
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2013, 12:56:36 PM »
I used to own a 99 2.8 wagon, I weighed it once out of interest came in at 3060kg with a gvm of 2960.
This was with 2 passengers, full fuel tank, winch, bullbar, sliders, rear bar and drawer system, needless to say I was shocked, I would easily been running over 3.5t when fully loaded up.
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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2013, 01:23:15 PM »
Quote from: Lost on October 04, 2013, 12:30:50 PM
There has been discussions at one of the 4wd clubs that insurance companies are now paying LOTS of attention to GVM after acccidents and have actually started NOT paying for fat arse 4wd's...

Wouldn't suprise me.

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So what is the solution when there is no way on earth to increase GVM ???

Buy a vehicle that is capable of carrying the accessories you want, or fit less extras. 

There's also axle loadings to think about too.  My Pajero is well under GVM in all conditions (i.e. towing with all the family on board and a long range tank full of fuel) but I cannot fit a winch with steel rope to the bullbar without exceeding the front axle loading limit (steel bar and dual batteries already fitted).  Dyneema would be my only option.  Axle loads are more of a warranty issue than a legality issue like GVM though I'd say.
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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2013, 02:28:48 PM »
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Buy a vehicle that is capable of carrying the accessories you want
not always an option

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There's also axle loadings to think about too.  My Pajero is well under GVM in all conditions (i.e. towing with all the family on board and a long range tank full of fuel) but I cannot fit a winch with steel rope to the bullbar without exceeding the front axle loading limit (steel bar and dual batteries already fitted).  Dyneema would be my only option.  Axle loads are more of a warranty issue than a legality issue like GVM though I'd say.

But you can up the GVM (same on nearly any 4wd) before rego by just changing suspension - same brakes and tyres...
Why can I not do this after rego by using the same parts ??? ???
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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2013, 02:44:11 PM »
I put mine, 2011 GU 3.0 CRD, on the weigh bridge a couple of weeks ago full loaded. I was sitting at 2850 kg. I dont have a rear bar or water tank, but i do have rock sliders and guards, as well as a cargo barrier and draw system. I am going to put a rear bar and one tyre on it with the duel ful jerry carrier. I hope that it wont be over weight. Even if it is i am still getting it done.

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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2013, 03:24:32 PM »
Quote from: Lost on October 04, 2013, 02:28:48 PM
But you can up the GVM (same on nearly any 4wd) before rego by just changing suspension - same brakes and tyres...
Why can I not do this after rego by using the same parts ??? ???

Well there is more to it than just suspension, but I can't answer the "post registration" question.  I'm sure you could get it engineered, but that costs money.
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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2013, 04:15:42 PM »
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Well there is more to it than just suspension, but I can't answer the "post registration" question.  I'm sure you could get it engineered, but that costs money.
Not according to 3 people i know on Eoz that had it done on cruisers..
It's a complete suspension kit, then testing - For Lucy and his troopy - all of the testing was braking, and hand brake. But they had the data from someone else, so he didnt have to pay the huge $$$$

The only way to get it done is to hire a race track, professional driver and more (total cost $10k+.. if it fails, rebook and pay another $10k+) Then that data can be used by other people (as above)... but the data is only good for someone else only with the exact same make/mode/engine/gearbox/tyres/weight/younameit car...
 
Must be same engine (TD is different to TD IC), same suspension same gearbox etc.  The big issue we had at the time was finding tyres that would be legal then.

You can see what needs to be done in the first link above on patrol forum..
I went into it with 4 different Vicroads engineers... None would touch it once car was registered..

Spoke with TJM/ARB/Lovells and then Ateco at the time, they were too busy doing a kit for the 200 series at the time, and weren't interested.



Make the process easy and cheap and everyone will do it. Its not hard.
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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2013, 04:51:28 PM »
Quote from: Lost on October 04, 2013, 04:15:42 PM
Then that data can be used by other people (as above)... but the data is only good for someone else only with the exact same make/mode/engine/gearbox/tyres/weight/younameit car...

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Make the process easy and cheap and everyone will do it. Its not hard.

Then there's your answer.  The only way they can guaratee that the vehicle will be "exactly" the same is when they are fresh off the showroom floor i.e. pre-registration.

What I meant by my "more than suspension work" is that every vehicle is different - some may need more, some don't. 
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2013, 05:14:35 PM »
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Then there's your answer.  The only way they can guaratee that the vehicle will be "exactly" the same is when they are fresh off the showroom floor i.e. pre-registration.
Most people I know arent in the position to buy new $70,000-150,000 cars ever... let alone just cause their car is a few kg over the limit.



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What I meant by my "more than suspension work" is that every vehicle is different - some may need more, some don't.
yea, you are right there.. Probably *easier* if there is such a thing for coil as I was describing than IFS/IRS etc...

But some manufacturers OFFER GVM upgrades when they are selling new cars... Interesting why they dont all do that.
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Re: Patrol GVM.
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2013, 06:14:26 PM »
I've done a gvm upgrade on my patrol 3 yrs after I bought it however, the gvm upgrade was done in WA and after it was de-registered from its VIC home and when I chopped it into a 4 door ute.
The down side of this gvm upgrade is it's only valid in WA.

Oh, upgrade on patrols can only go to 3.5t on wagons and 3.7t on leaf sprung (rear) utes. Mine is 3.5t.

Loaded for a trip I'm close to 3.7t :-[
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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2013, 06:22:04 PM »
These guys were advertising GVM upgrades at the Melbourne Leisurefest http://www.statewide4x4.com.au/gvm-products.aspx
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2013, 07:18:25 PM »
Quote from: Lost on October 04, 2013, 05:14:35 PM
Most people I know arent in the position to buy new $70,000-150,000 cars ever... let alone just cause their car is a few kg over the limit.

Like most things in life, many problems are only solved with money.  This is no different unfortunately.
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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2013, 09:28:15 AM »
Quote from: D4D on October 04, 2013, 06:22:04 PM
These guys were advertising GVM upgrades at the Melbourne Leisurefest http://www.statewide4x4.com.au/gvm-products.aspx


I get my work done there and am happy with them  :cup:

Ther have a Patrol GVM update that I would like.  Just need the $$$$
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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2013, 04:26:36 PM »
Quote from: Alan Loy on October 05, 2013, 09:28:15 AM
I get my work done there and am happy with them  :cup:

Ther have a Patrol GVM update that I would like.  Just need the $$$$

No mention of one for a 105 series landcruiser unfortunately  :-[
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