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Best off road camper for family travelling around OZ
« on: January 03, 2012, 05:59:14 PM »
 Hello!!
I am a newbie and trying to get up to speed with off road camper trailers. We have been bitten by the travel bug and are planning to take our 2 kids (7yr & 7 mths) off round oz.  ;D
We have to buy a camper trailer and currently have a budget of $10,000. Need something suitable for kids, quick put up and gonna keep us really dry. Any suggestions for makes/models??
Any to steer clear off ?
Thanks any info appreciated ;D

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Re: Best off road camper for family travelling around OZ
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 06:10:16 PM »
Kalikal  Welcome to MySwag . Now thats out of the way you arrr have opened a big can of worms . 1 , What your tow rig
2 , Where do you want to go
3 ,  Free camp or Van parks
4 ,  Working or Touring
5 , I hope your getting the picture , in the price range your talking go 2nd hand . More bang for your $s .
Great question but more info required . You have asked now help us to help you to answer your question
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Re: Best off road camper for family travelling around OZ
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 06:21:43 PM »
Whoops!!  :D
Ok we will have a Mitsubishi triton 4 x 4 and plan to use both van parks and free camp. Only minor off road not the heavy duty stuff. We will be strictly touring and are planning on 6-12 months depending on how the finances (and bub) goes. Planning north along east coast over the top to WA travel down westcoast then along the bottom to SA. And hopefully a stint through the center as well.....just a broad general outline. Def looking at 2nd hand set-ups.

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Re: Best off road camper for family travelling around OZ
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2012, 06:25:57 PM »
Kalikai See that didnt hurt a bit did it  ;D Have a look in the classified the start to get the picture .
If yiou need to know ask its as simple as that , somebody will know the score & help you along  :cheers:
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Re: Best off road camper for family travelling around OZ
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2012, 06:39:10 PM »
Been watching the classifieds on several sites and reading the forums for a couple of months now. Thought there might be a select few that are worth watching out and waiting for in that price range. Thanks for the info & welcome!!! :cheers:

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Re: Best off road camper for family travelling around OZ
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2012, 06:51:04 PM »
Just where will you be starting from  ??? Might be a good ider to catch up with local swaggers at a meet somewhere close to you . Tents are ok if you dont have at CT . Then you can check out the pros & cons of the displayed set ups . Might give you a better idear & no preasure to purchase  unlike at shows . ( unless l get you in a weak moment you could buy mine  >:D ) Seeing the CT being set up by real people not trained sales monkeys dose make a hugh diference to it all  .
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2012, 07:49:57 PM »
If there was a "best" then we would all have the same camper.

Whatever it is get the basic stuff right.

Easy to put up; pretty self explanatory but things like needing even one peg for basic o’nite setup is a pain after a few weeks. Good campers these days need no pegs or ropes till you start putting up awnings.

Easy to set up; Putting up the tent bit is sometimes the easy bit. I have watched people put up a camper in 2 minutes flat only to spend the next hour setting up kitchens, kids beds, fridges, lighting, seats and tables etc etc.

Kitchens that work; the biggest issue with kitchens as I see it is height. Some are so low that even my little old mum would get a bad back bending down to the bench tops. Jayco’s are (unless they have changed) really bad for this. Also, some of the new breed of bling busses have all these fancy pull out draws and cutting boards etc, which is fine, right up till they pull out over the stove, or the bench space etc. you literally have to clear the space away to get to the shredded chives.

Beds that don’t turn you to a pretzel; get a camper with enough room closed to house an innerspring mattress. Foam is ok for weekends away on the sauce but after a hard day’s work (read standing on the beach fishing for salmon) you need a real bed. Kids are a bit more flexible though. My kids survived fine on camp stretchers and self inflating mattresses.

On that note, you don’t want to be having to make beds every time you open the tent. We put both the kids made up self inflators up on the main (made up) bed and only had the stretchers to set up. If we were late stopping or looking for an early start, the kids would just put their beds on the ground.

12v Water; hand pumps suck the big one. Make sure to have a pressure pump fitted to your tank and plumbed to a regular tap. But a tip for the noobies, make sure the power to the pump has some sort of positive lock out. By that I mean some way that the power to the pump has to be cut before you head off to the next destination. Hoses can come loose over the ruff stuff particularly when they have a few PSI up their bum. You will lose your water in minutes if that happens and that can be a disaster. I set mine up with a merit plug that I had to plug into a socket on the outside of the trailer. While I could close it up with it plugged in, the cable was dead giveaway when I did.

Heavy duty wheel bearings and suspension. Your camper is going to cop a flogging coz you won’t be in it driving to suit it. Don’t be fooled into thinking you must have independent suspension, just coz it’s a flash red colour with pretty yellow springs and blue shocks doesn’t make it robust or durable, it just makes it expensive. There is good and bad in all but a good quality set of leaf springs will let you go anywhere even the best independent stuff will.

Brakes; Electric. Don’t buy into any BS sales guy that tells you override discs are the go or even just ok. They’re not, trust me I have battled them all over this great land.

Refrigeration; this is very personal and I have seen some really good setups of all types. What worked for us was two fridges. A 60ltr Evakool in the front of the camper that we used for the bulk meats, veges and frozen stuff. It got opened maybe once or twice a day. Some like there everyday fridge in their camper but we found that having another 60ltr this time an Engal and just a fridge, no freezer, in the back of the cruiser was the best daily use arrangement. There was rarely a time wher I couldn’t park the car just outside the kitchen area and we still had all our stuff when we left the camper for a days outing. But like I said, that’s personal so you will find your best arrangement. Unlike the brakes where the override discs just plain suck no matter who you are :lol:

Power; again, personal. We ran 2 x 100 Amp hour AGMs and a EU2 Honda geni via a Ctek 15000 charger. Some will say solar is best but I reckon it was easier to park up in the shade and run the geni for a few hours every 4th day. You could argue that till the Mayan’s come back and finish their calendar though.

There is prolly another 1000 words in this but that’s enough for now. I’m not here enough these days to cut in on the locals so if I have missed anything someone will add it

Cheers and happy travels
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Re: Best off road camper for family travelling around OZ
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2012, 08:41:39 PM »
Hello!!
I am a newbie and trying to get up to speed with off road camper trailers. We have been bitten by the travel bug and are planning to take our 2 kids (7yr & 7 mths) off round oz.  ;D
We have to buy a camper trailer and currently have a budget of $10,000. Need something suitable for kids, quick put up and gonna keep us really dry. Any suggestions for makes/models??
Any to steer clear off ?
Thanks any info appreciated ;D

Hire and test.  Hire and Test.  Hire and Test.

Only way to work out what will work for YOU is to try it.

It would be the best $$ spent I reckon plus you get a few trips in before you set off.

Good luck and welcome.
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Re: Best off road camper for family travelling around OZ
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2012, 09:56:38 PM »
I think Joff has summed it up very well, sounds like his wisdom comes from a wealth of experience.  I ha vent done the big trip yet, however have read enough mags, been on myswag long enough and done enough shorter trips to know Joff knows what he is talking about.

Carefully assess and consider each of his tips - kitchens, bedding, water and supply, brakes, refrigeration and power supply as that list covers the basic requirements anymore and that's a luxurary.

I suggest to keep this thread open and it will be become a valuable re fernace to you & others as you think about the answers and choices offered so long as everyone stays on track and remembers point of this thread?

Cheers

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Re: Best off road camper for family travelling around OZ
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2012, 06:08:26 AM »
Thanks for ALL your replies
Joff you gave us alot of valuable info especially on things we hadn't really thought about like kitchen height and water hoses. And the idea of hiring b4 buying is great.
Have been particularly looking at the Tambo off road camper trailers and a bit at the jumbuck bushranger and redback. Any thoughts on any of those or others??

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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2012, 08:19:50 AM »
Hi Kallikai,

Quite afew members have owned/own a Tambo camper and they are a great unit. I was close to buying one myself but the cub came up the week before I was going to order a Tambo.

A couple of other things you will need to consider is how long will you be stopping for in most locations. Will it be for 1 night or 3 - 4 nights in each? Will the setting up be by your self or will your partner be able to help?

Also the internal floor space will be very improtant with young kids. Your 7 y/o will more than likely be on a stretcher bed but the baby you will need space for a portacot (assumption) and somewhere for them to play, and then space for the few toys and things that they tend to scatter all over the place before bed.

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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2012, 09:50:15 AM »
make sure your mrs can operate the entire thing by herself in case you break an arm/ whatever.
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2012, 10:16:34 AM »
We recently did a 10week trip (from sydney ALL over Vic and the southern part of NSW).   This was myself, my wife, and 3 kids (6, 4, 1.5). We did it in a 6 year old wallaby track camper. This is an off road soft floor camper.  Cost us $5600.

On top of that we put in a full length storage drawer and a drifta car back kitchen.   Approx $1000.

We added a 70L 'ice box', a little Weber Q.  another few hundred dollars.

When unpowered we used battery powered lanterns that charged from the car. When powered, we used one power board, an extension cord and a work light.  The power board was to recharge the laptop and camera.

Organised storage is great.  The full length drawer had three dividers and the storage was excellent.  The drifta car back kitchen was unreal. Big enough and very portable.   I made a storage system for the back of the 4wd and this was excellent too. Keeping everything organised is essential.... or else you go mad looking for stuff.

For water we used plastic jerry cans with taps on them.  Turn the tap and you get water... as said before, hand pumps suck (pun intended).

Our 70L ice box was excellent. 2 bags of party ice was enough for 4 or 5 days. 

We never put up the annex walls, front or floor once.

All the bedding stayed in the camper on top of the mattress. (except for the port-a-cot for the 1.5 year old).

Total setup time would be about 45mins, that was all bedding, kitchen, awning, table and chairs. That would be done 95% on my own.   Backup time was usually 1hr but we would backup the kitchen and cooking stuff the night before.

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Re: Best off road camper for family travelling around OZ
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2012, 04:52:31 PM »
Thanks all for the words of wisdom.
Looks like I've got a tonne more research to do and a couple of leisurely "try b4 we buy" weekends ahead of us hiring camper trailers.

**Hey Kranky Al I am the missus and it will be mostly me setting up.....hubby tells me he will be refuelling with a beer and birdwatching(mmm???)......or so he thinks!!

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2012, 12:47:39 PM »
I recently did a four month trip and to be honest (hate to say this) if I was doing it again for more then 3 months, I would get a caravan, probably an off road one. Why? Cos they set up quicker and you have a lounge room.

If you are going to be away for a while, you will need some sort of routine for the kids and creature comforts. Putting a tent, trailer up and down every now and again becomes a real pain.

Not sure it would be a big issue without the kids and the trailer would be fine but with them I reckon a caravan. Anyway that is my thoughts


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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2012, 09:14:35 PM »
Thanks a couple of people have said the same thing. Yep hate to say it as well but we have been doing a bit of research into the caravan.......still not sold on the idea yet.

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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2012, 09:46:19 PM »
While they are not as well known as some please consider a Johnnos. We have one and it has, like others taken us and 2 kids across this country including the Simpson, Cape York and through the Gulf of Carpenteria with nothing more than a two bearings needed replacing. Like Joff says, if there was a best we would all have the same. It will depend on what you can afford at the time your ready to buy and then what comforts you need verse the cost. Have a gander at our blog and you'll see where we went etc.

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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2012, 09:54:08 PM »
We've been lucky enough to have done quite a lot of touring with our Trak Shak camper trailer.  We have four kids under 10 years old to give an idea of the dynamics.

A lot of our touring has been moving everyday doing shorter bounds instead of doing a big amount of km's then sitting steady for a few days.  We aim for 1000h departures in the morning, and baulk at doing anymore than 350km's in a day unless it's necessary.

On top of that we normally try to head to a caravan park or similar for a 2 night stop-over every week - so 5 nights out bush then 2 nights at a caravan park.  I enables the washing/shopping/resupply etc to be done easier and gives the kids a break as well.

Our set-up pretty much takes us an hour from the time we pull up until everyone is happy and we are generally relaxed.  That is absolutely everything we need to do other than cook dinner, not just the usual 'it takes 10 minutes to set the trailer up' comment.

To pack up in the morning takes exactly two hours.  That is from the time we get out of bed.  So getting up, doing breakfast, washing up, cleaning the mess from the kids, kids dressed and cleaned, trailer packed up and literally in the car rolling out.

We know the above because it is literally a routine.  In some respects it actually can be 'hard work' to go camping with kids, but it's worth every last minute.  The more effort you put into it, the more reward you receive back.

However the above works for us.  You will work out over time what works for you.  I would suggest that hiring a trailer that you are considering and spending 2 weeks in it will give you a good indication as to what you want.

Also have clear in your mind where you want to go, and where you expect the trailer to go in that itinerary.  That may just be your deciding factor.

At the end of the day it's all a compromise and you will need to literally live with the decision.


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