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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2011, 07:41:51 PM »
What was on the news up here was that there was still one hot spot and when the winds came the the embers started this new fire..
when i was involved with training in RFS, they had evidence of embers going around 150-200klms and causing spots.. they are a nightmare, we have been caught out by them before, its pants soiling stuff.
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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2011, 08:44:49 PM »
You don't cut trees down to protect your home. Trees stop / restrict ember attack which is the major cause of houses catching. Trees also  slow wind speed.
You need to create a fuel buffer zone around the property and then a modified fuel zone further out. None of this involves trees. Shrubs and small stuff are fine. Some lower limbs as well.


That's the latest fire hazard advice anyway.




WTF ??? ;D
My idea of a buffer zone is to use a large yellow machine with tracks to make one.......
Rather than us stupid bastards in red trucks risking our backsides trying protect something that is near impossible to save because these days people have seek permission to reduce the fuel load on their own land.

We have got too good at putting fires out rather than utilising fire to regenerate the bush in a controlled manner all whilst protecting our native fauna and flora, these fires reduce the risk of wildfires which just anilate everything in their path.
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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2011, 08:51:12 PM »
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My idea of a buffer zone is to use a large yellow machine with tracks to make one.......

That's the latest fire hazard advice anyway.
just have a healthy bank balance, you may need it... the greens have more clout than you ever willl.

2002, Liam Sheahan, a resident of Reedy Creek in Victoria, was prosecuted for disregarding local laws and bulldozing approximately 250 trees on his own property to make a fire break next to his home.
Council laws prohibited Mr. Sheahan from clearing trees further than six meters away from his house, but he went ahead with his decision to create a 100 meter fire break. During the resulting prosecution, bushfire expert Dr. Kevin Tolhurst testified on Mr. Sheahan's behalf, telling the court that the clearing had reduced the fire risk to Mr. Sheahan's home from extreme to moderate.

According to Mr. Sheahan, "The council stood up in court and made us to look like the worst, wanton environmental vandals on the earth. We've got thousands of trees on our property. We cleared about 247."

Mr. Sheahan's prosecution cost him $100,000 in fines and legal fees, but when the bushfires swept through his town in February 2009, his actions were vindicated — his home was the only property left standing in a two-kilometer area, while neighboring properties were destroyed. His disregard for environmental laws saved his home and the lives of his family.
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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2011, 09:03:36 PM »
just have a healthy bank balance, you may need it... the greens have more clout than you ever willl.

2002, Liam Sheahan, a resident of Reedy Creek in Victoria, was prosecuted for disregarding local laws and bulldozing approximately 250 trees on his own property to make a fire break next to his home.
Council laws prohibited Mr. Sheahan from clearing trees further than six meters away from his house, but he went ahead with his decision to create a 100 meter fire break. During the resulting prosecution, bushfire expert Dr. Kevin Tolhurst testified on Mr. Sheahan's behalf, telling the court that the clearing had reduced the fire risk to Mr. Sheahan's home from extreme to moderate.

According to Mr. Sheahan, "The council stood up in court and made us to look like the worst, wanton environmental vandals on the earth. We've got thousands of trees on our property. We cleared about 247."

Mr. Sheahan's prosecution cost him $100,000 in fines and legal fees, but when the bushfires swept through his town in February 2009, his actions were vindicated — his home was the only property left standing in a two-kilometer area, while neighboring properties were destroyed. His disregard for environmental laws saved his home and the lives of his family.


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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2011, 09:08:13 PM »
just have a healthy bank balance, you may need it... the greens have more clout than you ever willl.

2002, Liam Sheahan, a resident of Reedy Creek in Victoria, was prosecuted for disregarding local laws and bulldozing approximately 250 trees on his own property to make a fire break next to his home.
Council laws prohibited Mr. Sheahan from clearing trees further than six meters away from his house, but he went ahead with his decision to create a 100 meter fire break. During the resulting prosecution, bushfire expert Dr. Kevin Tolhurst testified on Mr. Sheahan's behalf, telling the court that the clearing had reduced the fire risk to Mr. Sheahan's home from extreme to moderate.

According to Mr. Sheahan, "The council stood up in court and made us to look like the worst, wanton environmental vandals on the earth. We've got thousands of trees on our property. We cleared about 247."

Mr. Sheahan's prosecution cost him $100,000 in fines and legal fees, but when the bushfires swept through his town in February 2009, his actions were vindicated — his home was the only property left standing in a two-kilometer area, while neighboring properties were destroyed. His disregard for environmental laws saved his home and the lives of his family.



Large price to pay for looking after your family and livelihood your damned if you do and your damned if you dont!!
I do remember hearing this and thinking the proof is in the pudding.

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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2011, 09:10:58 PM »
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Large price to pay for looking after your family and livelihood your damned if you do and your damned if you dont!!
x everything... cheap price to pay I reckon for saving your house, Shit and kids. the more power the greens get the worse it will get.
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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2011, 09:32:23 PM »
x ....the more power the greens get the worse it will get

Yes, totally agree

in Busselton we have possums in various parks, they can't be taken from one tree and placed in another tree in the same park area, because possums are territorial and need their original 'home' so we can't cut down any 'peppy' tree in town.

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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2011, 09:53:58 PM »
Yes, totally agree

in Busselton we have possums in various parks, they can't be taken from one tree and placed in another tree in the same park area, because possums are territorial and need their original 'home' so we can't cut down any 'peppy' tree in town.
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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2011, 12:04:26 AM »
Good idea Lost. Maybe that process works on Greenies as well? Mind you, you'd have to drill into a limb becos the head would be too bloody thick to penetrate.
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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2011, 12:27:26 AM »
Good idea Lost. Maybe that process works on Greenies as well? Mind you, you'd have to drill into a limb becos the head would be too bloody thick to penetrate.
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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2011, 06:36:17 AM »



WTF ??? ;D
My idea of a buffer zone is to use a large yellow machine with tracks to make one.......
Rather than us stupid bastards in red trucks risking our backsides trying protect something that is near impossible to save because these days people have seek permission to reduce the fuel load on their own land.

We have got too good at putting fires out rather than utilising fire to regenerate the bush in a controlled manner all whilst protecting our native fauna and flora, these fires reduce the risk of wildfires which just anilate everything in their path.

Trees are not fuel loading.  Fuel loading is on the ground and shrubbery.  Which is why the fire service conduct fuel hazard burns when its cool (at least they should be) so that the trees dont burn down but the ground fuel is reduced. 

When you are in your red truck doing hazard burns are you pushing all the trees down?

Its not about being a greenie its current fire practice because it works.  Trees slow down wind speed and stop ember attack.  A correctly prepared property will survive better if the embers are reduced and trees help this. 

Do some research.

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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2011, 07:10:56 AM »

2002, Liam Sheahan, a resident of Reedy Creek in Victoria, was prosecuted for disregarding local laws and bulldozing approximately 250 trees on his own property to make a fire break next to his home.
Council laws prohibited Mr. Sheahan from clearing trees further than six meters away from his house, but he went ahead with his decision to create a 100 meter fire break. During the resulting prosecution, bushfire expert Dr. Kevin Tolhurst testified on Mr. Sheahan's behalf, telling the court that the clearing had reduced the fire risk to Mr. Sheahan's home from extreme to moderate.

According to Mr. Sheahan, "The council stood up in court and made us to look like the worst, wanton environmental vandals on the earth. We've got thousands of trees on our property. We cleared about 247."

Mr. Sheahan's prosecution cost him $100,000 in fines and legal fees, but when the bushfires swept through his town in February 2009, his actions were vindicated — his home was the only property left standing in a two-kilometer area, while neighboring properties were destroyed. His disregard for environmental laws saved his home and the lives of his family.

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Unfortunately the $100,000 wasn't returned!!!!

W.A. "DEC" - Department of Embers and Cinders????
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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2011, 07:23:47 AM »
handy site
http://www.firebreak.com.au/house.html

Fuel Load
To measure fuel load measure a 1 metre by 1 metre square on the ground. Collect all the dead fuel that is thinner than a pencil and weigh it. Divide this weight by 100 and you have the fuel load in tonnes/hectare.
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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2011, 09:13:00 AM »
Trees are not fuel loading.  Fuel loading is on the ground and shrubbery.  Which is why the fire service conduct fuel hazard burns when its cool (at least they should be) so that the trees dont burn down but the ground fuel is reduced. 

When you are in your red truck doing hazard burns are you pushing all the trees down?

Its not about being a greenie its current fire practice because it works.  Trees slow down wind speed and stop ember attack.  A correctly prepared property will survive better if the embers are reduced and trees help this. 

Do some research.

Trees contribute to the fuel loading by dropping their leaves and bark so yes they are part of the fuel loading which as you said also includes the grass on the ground and shrubbery or small trees.
In our big red truck no we don't push the trees down we have dozers to do that don't want to damage the bullbar ;D
The politics and paperwork to get a hazard reduction across the line these days is ridiculous but everyone cries when people lose everything they own in a bushfire it's nearly 2012 and we are still seeing this happen :'( >:(
Each year our window of opportunity is about 6-8 weeks depending on the rate at which the fuel is curing and the weather before it gets too hot and the hazard reduction becomes too great a risk for all involved.
Granted some trees may slow ember attack and I agree they can alter the wind speed but I certainly wouldn't risk my family or property by relying on a tree to stop a raging inferno.

Crown fires run through the tops trees it is one of the most awesome things I have experienced in my 17 years of service the noise and speed it made pushing through the trees was unbelievable something I will never forget, so my personal opinion here I wouldn't be to relying on trees to protect my house when considering we have eucalypts in a lot of places which put oils and vapours into the atmosphere which are flammable, nice pretty trees but great fuel!

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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2011, 10:45:03 AM »
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Trees contribute to the fuel loading by dropping their leaves and bark so yes they are part of the fuel loading which as you said also includes the grass on the ground and shrubbery or small trees.
we only ever included the ground fuel as that is what burns at that point in time. Your after the fuel load on the ground, not what might be there in a week.
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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2011, 04:49:01 PM »
2002, Liam Sheahan, a resident of Reedy Creek in Victoria, was prosecuted for disregarding local laws and bulldozing approximately 250 trees on his own property to make a fire break next to his home.
Council laws prohibited Mr. Sheahan from clearing trees further than six meters away from his house, but he went ahead with his decision to create a 100 meter fire break. During the resulting prosecution, bushfire expert Dr. Kevin Tolhurst testified on Mr. Sheahan's behalf, telling the court that the clearing had reduced the fire risk to Mr. Sheahan's home from extreme to moderate.

According to Mr. Sheahan, "The council stood up in court and made us to look like the worst, wanton environmental vandals on the earth. We've got thousands of trees on our property. We cleared about 247."

Mr. Sheahan's prosecution cost him $100,000 in fines and legal fees, but when the bushfires swept through his town in February 2009, his actions were vindicated — his home was the only property left standing in a two-kilometer area, while neighboring properties were destroyed. His disregard for environmental laws saved his home and the lives of his family.



Unfortunately the $100,000 wasn't returned!!!!

W.A. "DEC" - Department of Embers and Cinders????

'only cleared 247'  and 100m wide firebreak. Lets all go and clear 100m wide fire breaks hey...what a fantastic landscape that would be.  8)

Deserved every cent he was fined.  Of course his house will be safe - stuff the environment that we all need to live in.  What a joke.  No fire service or council in australia would think it reasonable to do this.  And keep in mind the council told him he couldn't so bad bloody luck.

He could have prepared his house fine without this type of stupidity.


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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2011, 09:23:59 PM »
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« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2011, 10:06:40 PM »
yeah. sorry, U   you wernt there to make the decisions at the time.
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« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2011, 10:10:36 PM »
yeah. sorry, U   you wernt there to make the decisions at the time.
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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2011, 10:29:09 PM »
No worries pal.

hang on,  sory, im apologising!!  wtf.

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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2011, 10:03:01 AM »
If these guys had to respond to a house fire, they'd start with a backburn in your kitchen

I don't think the DEC respond to house fires...hope not anyway!
Aren't they the same as NSW's NPWS (Sparks & Wild Fires)?
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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2011, 07:23:55 PM »
wtf is going on in SW WA....i hear Gelorup (just south of Bunbury) is now burning?
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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2011, 07:56:58 PM »
wtf is going on in SW WA....i hear Gelorup (just south of Bunbury) is now burning?
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Gelorup residents had been warned to abandon or be prepared to actively defend their homes this morning, but the message has since been downgraded to a bushfire advice notice.

FESA warned that although the fire was contained, it was not under control and residents needed to stay alert for changing conditions.

About 40 career and volunteer firefighters were at the scene.

The latest warning came less than 24 hours after Molloy Island and East Augusta residents were allowed to return home after a big bushfire still raging between Nannup and Augusta threatened more than 100 homes.

FESA incident control officer John Tillman told a packed community meeting in Augusta on Saturday that the Nannup fire had been contained at Milyeannup Coast Road, about 20km east of Molloy Island and East Augusta.
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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #48 on: January 13, 2014, 10:13:54 AM »
Gee this sounds very bad... Be safe people.



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About 150 firefighters are still battling a devastating blaze in the Perth hills that's destroyed at least 27 homes and has also been linked to a man's death.

 St John crews weren't able to access the roof where the man collapsed after trying to save his house in Hovea on Sunday afternoon, despite assistance from the Department of Fire and Emergency Services, and he died at the scene.

 The DFES said a bushfire WATCH AND ACT was now in place for people in the eastern part of Parkerville, Stoneville, and Mount Helena, as well as the western part of Gidgegannup and Chidlow in Mundaring Shire, and the city of Swan.

 "The alert level for this fire has been downgraded," DFES said in a statement.

 "There is a possible threat to lives and homes as a fire is in the area and conditions are changing.

 "There are no changes since the previous alert."

 The DFES said 27 homes had been confirmed lost due to the fire, adding that "this number is expected to increase as damage assessments continue".

 At least two firefighters on Sunday had to be treated for heat exhaustion after battling the fire's flames, which were said to be up to 20 metres high.

 On Monday morning, a DFES spokeswoman said about 150 firefighters were battling the blaze that has burnt through about 350 hectares of bush.

 She said favourable weather forecast for Monday would hopefully allow firefighters to get the upper hand on the fire.

 She said it wouldn't be clear how many homes had been destroyed until the sun came up.

A community meeting will be held at 10am today at Brown Park in Swan View on the corner of Amherst Road and Salisbury Road.


Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/150-firefighters-battle-perth-hills-blaze-20140113-30pel.html#ixzz2qEUtqG6j
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Re: WA Fires
« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2014, 01:18:35 PM »
latest count is 44 homes. Take care everyone, be prepared.