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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2011, 07:59:46 AM »
We also have an 04 TD Prado and have towed a Jayco Outback Eagle for the past 5 years or so......   I was also concerned but opted to monitor the temp to see what was happening.  I (& PradoBB) bought a digital temp monitor.... one of these;

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DIGITAL-TEMPERATURE-GAUGE-ENGINE-ALARM-RACING-OVERHEAT-/180696132581?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a12542be5

and to date I have not seen a temperature recorded that concerned me.....   food for thought?
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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2011, 08:00:54 AM »
Engine temp or auto temp?
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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2011, 08:50:03 AM »
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Engine temp or auto temp?
I would say engine by the look of it, which is rarely an issue.
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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2011, 10:03:18 AM »
So back to the question: do I need one?

I think the common answer is: you don't NEED it, but it is better to have one.
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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2011, 10:18:06 AM »
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So back to the question: do I need one?

I think the common answer is: you don't NEED it, but it is better to have one.

Theres billions of things in the world you dont need, but will make your life easier and safer.
For the small outlay, compared to a box rebuild, I say its a no brainer.

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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2011, 11:11:59 AM »
That's what I mean.
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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2011, 01:25:52 PM »
I have an 04  TD prado as well.....will be towing a Flamingo soon so this was a useful post....thnks for the peace of mind...... Will keep the $ in my pocket.... Maybe just change the fluid a bit more regularly.......Have a taipan exhaust, K&N, DTronic and all going well with 130ks on the clock...... Hopefully will get 400ks out of her!


 
We also have an 04 TD Prado and have towed a Jayco Outback Eagle for the past 5 years or so......   I was also concerned but opted to monitor the temp to see what was happening.  I (& PradoBB) bought a digital temp monitor.... one of these;

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DIGITAL-TEMPERATURE-GAUGE-ENGINE-ALARM-RACING-OVERHEAT-/180696132581?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a12542be5

and to date I have not seen a temperature recorded that concerned me.....   food for thought?
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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2011, 02:38:44 PM »
So back to the question: do I need one?

I think the common answer is: you don't NEED it, but it is better to have one.
I'd agree with this.

We had the smaller of the two factory-fitted trans coolers on the Pathfinder (why there were two from factory, I'll never know), and never had a problem. Even in soft sand in summer on Moreton Island, or tooling around up here. Never had the trans shut down, or the overheat light come on.

About a year ago we had a big aftermarket cooler fitted in series with the OEM unit. I was getting the gearbox serviced at the time, and figured it was cheap insurance against future gearbox issues since the car now has over 200,000kms on the clock. Quote from the gearbox mech - "You'll never have any gearbox issues with this now". So while I didn't have any problems before, and the 'box is still in great shape, I was happy to spend the extra to not ever worry about it ever again.

Same as anything - vehicles are always made down to a price, to suit the majority of their usage. The majority of 4WDs don't go offroad much, or do much towing. Therefore, there's no incentive for Mr Nissan or Mr Toyota to increase the price of the car for everyone by fitting something that only 10% of their customers will get benefit from. For those of us here who do go offroad and do tow heavy campers, I think it's a good and sensible upgrade.

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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2011, 03:37:54 PM »
Engine temp or auto temp?

.....Oooooops.... :-[  now I feel like a goose,  Yes I have it fitted to the engine...... however,   excuse my ignorance, but could this not also be attached to the transmission case to monitor temp changes?
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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2011, 03:55:30 PM »
Different type of gauge as the temperatures are different.
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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2011, 05:12:00 PM »
So back to the question: do I need one?

I think the common answer is: you don't NEED it, but it is better to have one.

Your right wil that the majority of the advice is as you say.  

Unfortunately this advice means that your auto trans temp will not reach the correct operating temperature for 99.9% of the time.  You want the oil at operating temperature where it performs as designed.  

The prado is fitted with an overtemp warning light so you can stop before the temp rises too high.  So for that .1% that the trans heats up to a level that toyota deems of concern a light comes on and you can prevent it.

For me thats what I would stick with.

If you want to add one then make sure that it is has a thermostat fitted as per reb's post.  Then you have the best of both worlds.

Does goldstream need one - IMO no.

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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2011, 07:17:59 PM »
Different type of gauge as the temperatures are different.

How are the temperatures different? The unit listed earlier uses a sensor bolted to the block as opposed to a traditional temp probe.

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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2011, 11:01:27 PM »
I think that the trans temp is higher then the engine coolant.
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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2011, 11:33:56 PM »
I think that the trans temp is higher then the engine coolant.

I think you will find they are about the same under normal driving.
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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2011, 01:30:48 AM »
How are the temperatures different? The unit listed earlier uses a sensor bolted to the block as opposed to a traditional temp probe.
In my opinion you can use the above mentioned style digital temp gauges with an external sensor (thermistor) bolted to the block or head of the engine, or bolted to some suitable part on the transmission as long as you treat the readings as a guide only as they will be somewhat inaccurate. Essentially they tell you the temperature of the piece of metal they are bolted to and can be a reasonable guide while all systems are functioning normally.

I have experimented with and tested similar units on my last and current D4D and can easily get a 30C-40C difference in engine temp reading just by moving the sensor around on the cylinder head.
Also consider this example, imagine a sensor bolted to some external part of the head or the block and the cold engine you are about to start has lost its coolant overnight thru a split in the bottom radiator hose. Without the coolant to conduct the heat from the internal parts of the engine to the external part where the sensor is located, you will most likely find any damage will be done before you are alerted via the sensor and the gauge. (And your OEM temperature gauge probably wont be of much use in these circumstance either.) None the less it may explain why manufacturers use the coolant temperature for their ECU's as the preferred way to monitor engine temperature.

On the auto trans you would need to mount this type of sensor close to the fluid output line to the cooler as this is where the heated fluid exits the trans and is usually the vicinity where the manufacturers monitor trans fluid temp. It needs to be a good metal to metal contact that is not influenced by exhaust temps or airflow. It is not much use attaching it to the trans sump or thereabouts as "cooled" fluid from the cooler is deposited back in the sump and would influence readings.
Even if fitted as above it would only be a guide as the fluid can heat up quickly under certain circumstances and before the metal body you have the sensor on, registers the change.
While a wonderful bit of kit it is unfortunate I reckon, the manufacturers trans overtemp warning light which is in the fluid and set to trigger at a critical point, it is reactive device that only allows for you to pull up and let the trans cool down.

The best way to monitor trans temperature is with a good quality aftermarket gauge/kit that has the sensor in the output fluid line of the trans.

For the record I have a combined low coolant and temperature alarm on my engine and a separate temp sensor only on my auto trans. I consider the temp sensor on the engine as a cosmetic device of little real value and the one on the trans as a guide that reads approx 10C below the actual trans temp as verified by my dealer on a 40km test run with his laptop plugged into the ECU.
As I have a thermostat controlled aftermarket trans cooler on my vehicle I am not too worried about trans temp but if I had to do it all again I would start with the aftermarket gauge/kit and take it from there.
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Re: Do I need a transmission cooler
« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2011, 10:02:20 AM »
Have a read of this thread, and take note from post #5 when andrew mentions temps, then down the page..

http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/nissan-patrol-gu-gr-10/moving-trans-cooler-61150/
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