Thank-you Lost, I'll phone for the secret handshake
(or wait for a show) also Alan Loy, earle, and Pete_R for the sizes.
They seem pretty good chairs and almost meet my requirements for a good chair. Price is OK since I've wasted more than that of cheap crap chairs over the years that generally last less than a year.
I prefer cloth covered hard armrests to the soft cloth ones but would never buy the bare metal hard arms (too hot when left in the sun and freezing cold heatsinks in the Victorian high country in winter).
Closed back with lumbar support as a bonus is also good on the colder nights around the fire when the kidneys can sometimes freeze.
I'm currently using a chair from DMH (Lonsdale) which is OK except also has soft armrests, it replaced a "Wild Country" brand chair which was probably my "best ever" chair till I managed to break it. (no fat jokes thanx) Never been able to find another or equivalent.
Stevo