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Disappointing magazine
« on: September 24, 2011, 10:32:48 PM »
Lashed out $9.95 on 4WD Action's magazine 4WDer's complete guide to the Kimberley (one of a series they have put out about various destinations).
Expected at least a double-page map, detailed information on fuel points, campsites etc.
What I got was a series of articles of a general nature and lots of pretty pictures. Interesting enough in themselves, but no way a "complete guide".
The accompanying DVD is mainly about a trip made in 2010 which I have seen before in the magazine itself, a rather pointless, vehicle-wrecking journey through untracked bush to Umbulgurri.
This is not the Kimberley that I imagine the majority of visitors want to see.
Won't be buying any more.
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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2011, 05:46:17 AM »
I to am disappointed in 4wd action magazines as a lot of the articles seem to be repeats.

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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2011, 07:11:28 AM »
Some articles are even fiction...
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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2011, 07:16:28 AM »
here here, they repeat stuff through a lot of their mags....  I used to enjoy the mags for a while, then they went on this trip to tassie where they winched their 4wds constantly for the whole day and said thats 4wding?????  dont know how whinching your vehicle for the entire day could be fun???   ???  when they started off they used to put maps on all of their trips that went out the window too...  spose they got too hard core for me, dont get me wrong i enjoy a challenge but.......  I started getting the camper trailer mags (same blokes still) but at least the trips seeemed a bit better and you didnt need to worry about taking a spare axle every where....   :cheers:     still miss the maps... i do really like my maps  ;D
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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2011, 07:29:39 AM »
Yeah this bloke called Rich keeps popping up in all the camper mags :)
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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2011, 07:42:04 AM »
if you mean $ rich should check out the prado forum......   :laugh:
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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2011, 07:58:03 AM »
I agree with you regarding 4WD Action, the articles are more about the people and not enough about the destination  >:( ....I recently recieved a free issue of 4WD Australia and found the articles to be way more informative...I know which magazine I will buy in the future  :cup: :cup:


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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2011, 08:02:51 AM »
if you mean $ rich should check out the prado forum......   :laugh:


nah GU Rich http://myswag.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=248
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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2011, 08:17:35 AM »
Some articles are even fiction...

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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2011, 08:52:13 AM »
I tell no lies...

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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2011, 09:31:52 AM »
Don't get me started on the electrical articles  >:(
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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2011, 10:55:17 AM »
And the DVD's.................The volume button gets a workout, always having to adjust the volume as the editors cant manage to produce the DVD with a nice constant volume.
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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2011, 11:02:43 AM »
And the DVD's.................The volume button gets a workout, always having to adjust the volume as the editors cant manage to produce the DVD with a nice constant volume.
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This is true.

I like the DVDs, though I don't get to watch them for ages.
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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2011, 11:09:20 AM »
As a "young bloke" looking for an informative publication to help me develop as a 4wd'er, I looked at 4x4 Australia and 4wd Action. Personally, I found 4wd Action to be more about big lifts, big tyres, big mod and deep mud pits with a few handy hours of winching. this was apparently labeled as "4wding"

4x4 Aus seemed more infomrative na "thoughtful", a big more "cerebral" even. The Thinkning man's 4x4 Mag. I think Ron  Moon was even the editor way back then....

HOwever, I have become disallusioned with even my prefered 4x4 mag. Yes, sadly, the articles all seem the same as I read 5 years ago, perhaps updated to refelct a new model or brand entering the market. And whilst inforamtive for the novice to mid level experienced 4x4'er, they are begining to lack anything to hold the interest of more experiences 4x4'ers. Or at least ones that have been buying that mag for more than 5 years

I too switched to the Camper Trailer Mags, each are "sister publications" to the 2 aforementioned 4x4 mags. One has the same people doing the same, IMHO, stupid stuff, with their heavily modified trucks, but has some interesting destinations. I would probably choose a different route (as discussed previously). The people dont strike me as having my "cred". Perhaps they do great mods, but 6" lifts and Big Block Chev's aint my cup of tea. One of their DVD's even had an  apparent regular contributor saying (in a 2010 DVD) it was the first time he'd even towed a CT? Wow mate, really building your credentials and credability there. Well Done. I'll really value your opinion now......... NOT

The other, a newer player on the CT mag market i'm told, has a better feel for my personal taste (and each to their own here people) , but suffers from terrible "production quality". 1 edition I found 16 typo errors!! (almost as many as there are in this post ;)  ) and just a generally "cheap" feel to the layout and printing. I feel a little ripped off to cough up $8.95 for something that looks like it was laid out  on "Microsoft Publisher Free Edition". And the subscription price offers no benefit over buying monthly from the news stand? Why would I bother subscribing (and paying the equiv of 10 editions) when I cna browse it in the newsagent, and decide yes or no to part with my $9! And the re-printing of articles 'm sure I read 2-3 months ago in the sister mag (even if slightly altered, the topic is the same - tyres, compressors, gizmoes etc)

That being said there have been some ripper comparisions but the lack of journalistic diversity (ie 1 bloke seems to write all the articles) doesn't allow for a variety of opinions and the comparos all sound similar after a while (PS I'm waiting for someone to really bag out some  piece of crap camper , instead of writing "If you are in the market for a budget price camper, this "Shin-Huang"* may be for you."

D4D - you know, that wouldn't surprise me at all. Maybe I'm just not feeling the love for these blokes that others do

Anyway. I'd rather get an I-something app for a couple of bucks a month and read them that way now. almost $10 for a mag full of articles I've probably read before is too much. however, if you are newish to the scene, you may well get some really useful stuff out of it.

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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2011, 11:27:13 AM »
Magazines are now just big adds. They are businesses trying to compete in a modern world.

Hence the "GIC are awesome", they are simply their biggest advertiser.

Times have changed, printed media is so passe'

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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2011, 11:34:59 AM »
No one makes you buy them people.

I have subscribed to 4WD Action for a long time, and admittedly there doesn't seem to be many articles that I haven't read before, but I enjoy the DVDs, and do pick up a few things, like a recovery tip for 4wds with auto trans recently.

I get the Camper Trailer Touring mag as well. I get frustrated when I read about campers in the 4WD Action mag, because CTT could use some more content.

I also subscrib to CTA, and like the different style.

All the mags could use some more review of the articles for grammar, spelling and style, but I see the writers and contributors as enthusiasts, not necessarily trained journalists. If you think you can do a better job, they're often looking for staff or articles.

This beat up comes around every few months.
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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2011, 11:51:59 AM »
I was a suscbribe to 4WD Action, and have even been on a trip with them.  Have now let my subscription lapse because of the repeated articles and while I did enjoy the DVD's, they now seem to be a 1 hour advert for GIC campers.

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2011, 11:52:46 AM »
Dan - Too True - It would be interesting to have someone like "Choice" do an articles vs ads print area comparison. I'd reckon most would be close to if not  50% advertising. I'm mean, i get that  it's not cheap to print in glossy full color, but when brands like GIC have 4 page ads, it's not a long bow to draw (even it it isnt true ;o ) that you are hardly likely to see a writer slag off someone who puts a 4 page spread in every month! that probably pays the writers entire wage (and some) for the month (or 2)

Bigjiules: I get that these guys (and the odd girl here and there) are enthusiasts who have the not unenviable job of doing and writing about what they love, but for heavens sake, employ a Copy Editor or proof reader PLEASE!! THey choose to seek employment as a journalist/writer. They put it out there. In the end i supopse there is only a limited amount of new material to write about too

10 years ago anyone with an auto was considered a poser. NOw it seems more and more autos are out there (take LC200 only in auto as an example). Very relevent article.  ;D

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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2011, 11:56:12 AM »
for heavens sake, employ a Copy Editor or proof reader PLEASE!! THey choose to seek employment as a journalist/writer.

For sure, I agree with you.
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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2011, 01:29:38 PM »
If and when i buy a mag, its for the adds and pics  ;D
For real life experience I go to myswag, and i guess this is the same for many as the proof seems to be in how well the forum is going and growing.
 
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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2011, 03:04:27 PM »
That reminds me, I need to get GU Rich to sign a few covers ;D
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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2011, 04:11:09 PM »


If you wish to read the mags and watch the dvd's ... go to your local library where you can "hire" them for free for 2 weeks.  If they don't have them, ask them to get them in ... A much cheaper option IMHO.

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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2011, 05:24:15 PM »
Some articles are even fiction...

yeah Bert, agree with you. I too cancelled my subscription after seeing continual doubling up of articles that had previously been published in earlier magazines.
I don't pay good money for a magazine that contains earlier previously published articles.
They must think we're stupid or something.
For what it's worth, I reckon they've done their dash, run out of steam, whatever all down hill from here on.

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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2011, 05:53:49 PM »
That reminds me, I need to get GU Rich to sign a few covers ;D

He charges for that now ;D ;D

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Re: Disappointing magazine
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2011, 06:07:25 PM »
That reminds me, I need to get GU Rich to sign a few covers ;D
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