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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #100 on: October 06, 2011, 08:32:35 PM »
You all make me laugh. so of the Aus made CTs, what % of all of it is Aus made?

This goes for you to JT

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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #101 on: October 07, 2011, 05:38:16 AM »
I bought an Australian Made Trackabout in 2009 brand new.

The canvas leaks in the rain (In the Corners), tyres lasted 300km before laminating on the highway bending up the guard and destroying the mudflap, Ive replaced both my stabiliser legs as they break, redone the plumbing underneath as it rubbed on the stabiliser leg and wore through, replaced the hand pump, D-rings have pull out of the canvas, breaks pulled to one side they day i drove it away, flymesh is deterorating on the door.

I still would only buy Australian though
Hi Sebastian
Lets address any issues you may have. I believe we make a good product and have very little comeback on what we do.

Tyres- Back in 2009 we used 2nd tyres and occasionally from time to time there was an issue. 300 km's not acceptable, a phone call to us and we would have fixed damages and replaced tyres to your satisfaction. Back then a 4x4 Deluxe Tourer started at around $10K and there was nothing left in the budget for new tyres....but there was an option for new tyres at the time and you may have decided against this option.

Leaking canvas- Is it possible you have set the tent up under a lot of tension which has caused the stitch lines to open up. Once again a call to our office and we would have resolved any issues. A simple fix with a wax stick or seem sealer would have fixed this!

Stabilizer Legs- We have used 1000's of the AL-KO stabilizer legs without issue. When you say they broke, was it something you may have done? The legs are not designed to jack the camper off the ground and will break if you do this.....if its a fault in the product once again would have been happy to replace or fix this issue.

Water hose wearing on leg- Sounds like something my guys did not do properly at time of manufacture....would have been more than happy to fix this. Just remember when you have humans making product, from time to time things can go wrong!

Hand pump- These have always been an issue and to this day we still replace them FOC. We find if people keep the shaft lubricated they will last twice as long. We use the Trojen brand which is regarded as the best in the industry. When I do a hand over I do explain to people that they will leak around the top and always pays to keep an extra one on hand in case the tap fails. Once again given the chance I would have fixed this one up as well.

D-Rings pulling out of tent- Common problem if people use the tent to pull the pegs out or when setting up if the D-ring is sitting up off the ground they smash the peg in until the D-ring is touching on the ground. D-rings don't just fall out unless at time of manufacture the sewing machine was not working properly....am happy to look at this one for you and we have the means to test it and advise you if it was something you have done wrong or whether it was a manufacturing fault.

Flymesh on door- We use super screen mesh and is regarded as the strongest, dearest and the best money can buy. When setting up, before you peg your tent down...simply zip the door down 1st. By doing this the door will not elongate and make it hard to zip up or unzip. I do see from time to time where people have stretched the mesh (generally not broken, just stretched) as a result from the tent not been set up correctly, which results in the door been under immense pressure and long term stretches the fabric. If there is an issue with the product or the way we have sewn it.....happy once again to sort this issue.

Brakes- At the time of hand over we would have explained that the brakes are set up at a factory pre set by AL-KO and do need adjustment after the 1st couple of hundred km's. I don't recall getting a phone call from you on how to adjust the brakes nor do I remember us doing an adjustment for you. We would of gladly re adjusted the brakes for you FOC as we do for all of our clients who are not mechanically minded.....so once again no call was made and you have not given Trackabout the opportunity to fix this issue!

I have many 1000's of happy clients roaming the country enjoying there Trackabout and from time to time things can go wrong. We are always here to help and sort issues whether it be something you have done wrong or something we may have over looked ! I will invite you to bring the camper back to us (even if its not under warranty) and I will get these problems resolved. When we sell a camper we like to know that everyone is enjoying it and airing your issues on a public forum is not the right place to resolve these problems.....anyhow you have my attention now (a phone call would have worked too lol) so will be waiting on a call or you can PM me here if you want.

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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #102 on: October 07, 2011, 06:00:07 AM »
^ A very well worded response JT.

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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #103 on: October 07, 2011, 06:01:49 AM »
You all make me laugh. so of the Aus made CTs, what % of all of it is Aus made?

This goes for you to JT

Cheers

Ok for us the trailers, kitchens,tents and canvas fabric, toolboxes, axles, steel and sheet we use, powder coating,water tanks,(may have missed some components) are all proudly Australian made. We proudly make and support as many  local companies as we can.
There are also a lot of components we use that are made off shore such as rims & tyres, fixtures, zips, binding, velcroe etc and we simply don't have a choice in buying these products Australian made. We are 100% Australian Made with some imported products used and if you have any solutions on where I can buy all of the components we use that are aussie made....I am all ears ;D

If everyone supports local (where possible)our children will have a future, so next time you buy an apple,seafood or a side of beef have a look at where its made so our farmers and many others will have a future in this country :cup:

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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #104 on: October 07, 2011, 07:04:36 AM »
I bought an Australian Made Trackabout in 2009 brand new.

The canvas leaks in the rain (In the Corners), tyres lasted 300km before laminating on the highway bending up the guard and destroying the mudflap, Ive replaced both my stabiliser legs as they break, redone the plumbing underneath as it rubbed on the stabiliser leg and wore through, replaced the hand pump, D-rings have pull out of the canvas, breaks pulled to one side they day i drove it away, flymesh is deterorating on the door.

I still would only buy Australian though
Mate anyone who has dealt with John at trackabout would know to give him a call if this was true. As jt suggests was there a bit of missuse involved? If it was bad workmanship it would have been dealt with, not a good to air your dirty laundry on a forum.
Let everyone know when he gives you a call jt, I doubt he will
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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #105 on: October 07, 2011, 08:05:25 AM »
JT. that was avery well worded reply and you give me great confidence in trackabouts , seems you care about your product :cup:

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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #106 on: October 07, 2011, 08:43:43 AM »
We hired the Trackabouts for years sending them to the Cape and if we had any issues they were fixed.

As john said if a problem is not known it cannot be fixed.

Sorry we have gone off topic.

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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #107 on: October 07, 2011, 09:13:55 AM »
My thoughts on the china v's Aussie made are based on my research done 18 months ago before making a purchase. In the end we went with an Aussie made trailer for durability, reliability and confidence in aftersales service, because the trailer is going to be our home for 12 months. We paid more for it ( prob tripple that of an import ) but at the time there was nothing on the market that fitted our requirements and to get the custom fit out we wanted mr won hung lo and his aussie importer was ruled out straight away. Plus some of them are down right cheap and nasty and would rattle to pieces where we intend going to.
We narrowed it down to trackabout and modcon and in the end jt was that bit more understanding of our ( the missus' ! ) requirements. I'm sure they didn't make much profit from my build but it appears johns time developing my requirements has now become standard 12 mths later. He must have spent countless hours sorting out our must haves and in the end I got exactly what I wanted with the confidence that I know the person that built it will back up his product. I'm sure if I'm stuck in the middle of butf$@k in a few years even tho out of warranty I can give someone a call and get parts, assistance and advice.
There are no doubt many Aussie shysters that don't support their product and in that case your probably better buying an import but in most cases I think Aussie is better. I know many people that were ripped off by a Yamba boat builder jopalo a few years ago, was an awArd winning tradesman that turned out to be a scum bag, just disappeared with loads of people's money but left no boats. Not all Aussies ad good blokes and I think he is trading again in fnq somewhere

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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #108 on: October 07, 2011, 09:44:23 AM »
You all make me laugh. so of the Aus made CTs, what % of all of it is Aus made?

This goes for you to JT

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You have to ask? I thought that when you posted the below in regards to my CT, you actually knew what you were talking about? Don't tell me you don't... because surely you wouldn't be engaged in this debate if you didn't understand what you were talking about.

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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #109 on: October 07, 2011, 10:27:37 AM »
If someone can only afford $5k on a NEW camper, they might be more attracted to spend their $5k on a "Made in Hostraria" camper over another $5k "Made in China" camper, but they ain't going to buy YOUR $15k really made in Australia camper, so I'm not sure what this discussion is about.  Apples and oranges in my opinion.

Until this Association's members start selling Australian campers at the same price point you're never going to stop people buying those cheap imports, as there's no alternative local product.

I think you need to go the other way with your Association - get together so you can negotiate lower production costs as a bigger unit rather than getting together so you can implement measures to justify keeping your sale price high.  The Jim's Group do this - all their franchisees are individuals, but as a member of a group of 2,500 franchisees you can buy consumables much more cheaply than an individual because the seller has 2,500 potential customers instead of 1).

It's the same as retail - they whinge about the internet taking away business, but how about all Westfield's thousands of tenants get together and negotiate with Westfield to get their horrendous rents down instead of blaming their woes on their potential customers?  Bad, bad PR, I mean who used to shop at Harvey Norman but now thinks Gerry Harvey's a dick for banging on about it?

Lastly I agree there should be standards applied to all campers, but I'm afraid if this happens in the long term local manufacturers will have real problems.  Who would have bought a Hyundai 10 years ago?  They were rubbish, but they learnt, improved and now they've got something like 8% of the Australian car market.  Some overseas manufacturers will improve their quality, and they'll still be cheaper than an Aussie equivalent.  As the world gets smaller you're going to have to think differently if you want to stay in business.

Just my 2c worth.

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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #110 on: October 07, 2011, 10:50:45 AM »
Hi JT.

Great to see a local firm doing well by doing the job properly, ok so you can't capture the cheaper end of the market but I hope you continue to grow and offer a better quality product for the experienced camper.

And I hope Sebastian never buys anything from me.

 
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« Reply #111 on: October 07, 2011, 11:14:34 AM »
If someone can only afford $5k on a NEW camper, they might be more attracted to spend their $5k on a "Made in Hostraria" camper over another $5k "Made in China" camper, but they ain't going to buy YOUR $15k really made in Australia camper, so I'm not sure what this discussion is about.  Apples and oranges in my opinion.

I agree with that point, but everyone eventually trades up... we are after all "aspirational voters" according to the pollies...

So a more pertinant point could be that if everyone goes and buys a $5k Chinese trailer there wont be any $15k Australian trailers... so when your $5k 'bargain' comes apart on an outback trip and you decide to replace it with something stronger, where are you going to get it?

I don't think the market can support the plethora of Australian manufacturers (and 'assemblers') currently trading, but I'd hate to see all of them disappear.
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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #112 on: October 07, 2011, 12:09:52 PM »
Mate you used 'pertinent' and 'plethora' on one post - I did not expect to see those words in here!  ;D

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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #113 on: October 07, 2011, 12:20:38 PM »
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Mate you used 'pertinent' and 'plethora' on one post - I did not expect to see those words in here!
There is an educated one in every crowd, we now know who ours is!  :cup:

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I don't think the market can support the plethora of Australian manufacturers (and 'assemblers') currently trading, but I'd hate to see all of them disappear.
Squalo does have a valid point though.
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« Reply #114 on: October 07, 2011, 01:34:54 PM »
I bought an Australian Made Trackabout in 2009 brand new.

The canvas leaks in the rain (In the Corners), tyres lasted 300km before laminating on the highway bending up the guard and destroying the mudflap, Ive replaced both my stabiliser legs as they break, redone the plumbing underneath as it rubbed on the stabiliser leg and wore through, replaced the hand pump, D-rings have pull out of the canvas, breaks pulled to one side they day i drove it away, flymesh is deterorating on the door.

I still would only buy Australian though

This sort of thing cracks me up .... it taken you 2 years to have a bitch on a public forum about some problems that you have / or may have caused yourself .
Pretty poor form to say the least .

Well done to Mr Trackabout in regards to his reply .


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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #115 on: October 07, 2011, 01:36:52 PM »
Mate you used 'pertinent' and 'plethora' on one post - I did not expect to see those words in here!  ;D

I have to take the time to grab a dictionary and put it beside the computer .... Damn !!! My Swag is stepping up a notch here . LOL

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« Reply #116 on: October 07, 2011, 01:41:23 PM »
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« Reply #117 on: October 07, 2011, 01:56:06 PM »
This sort of thing cracks me up .... it taken you 2 years to have a bitch on a public forum about some problems that you have / or may have caused yourself .
Pretty poor form to say the least .

Well done to Mr Trackabout in regards to his reply .


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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #118 on: October 07, 2011, 04:02:41 PM »
To those contemplating a new camper...either imported or domestic manufacured....have a look at this site first...
www.australianmanufacturedcampertrailers.org.au/

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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #119 on: October 07, 2011, 04:08:53 PM »
Maybe that fella works for Hung Flug Doe Campers?

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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #120 on: October 07, 2011, 05:33:30 PM »
well FYI most of the imported Ct's are made here.

Shipped in bits and assembled here. As Aussie made as most. And yes I'm keeping Aussies in work they might be of foreign origin however they work long days assembling them.

My $5800 camper has a 2 year warranty.

Just because you buy your camper from an Aussie IE JT, doesn't mean its not made from imported parts.

And just because mine in imported doesn't mean the blokes putting it together aren't Aussie (fresh)

I highly doubt even the most "Aussie Manufacturer" has over 50% local product.

Yes build quality may be lower, however I'm not mortgaging the house to buy a CT.

I own mine.......

How much BRAND NEW camper can i get her in Aus for the same coin?

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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #121 on: October 07, 2011, 06:00:26 PM »
This thread is going nowhere....FAST!!!!
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« Reply #122 on: October 07, 2011, 06:29:54 PM »
This thread is going nowhere....FAST!!!!

I motion to have the entire thread deleted.
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Re: Invasion of the Chinese CT
« Reply #123 on: October 07, 2011, 06:30:55 PM »
No way, I was hoping for a tanty before it gets deleted?

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« Reply #124 on: October 07, 2011, 06:32:45 PM »
No way, I was hoping for a tanty before it gets deleted?

and then along Dan comes and redeems the entire topic ;D ;D ;D You make me laugh Dan, good on ya :cup:
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