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Fuel Treatment
« on: September 17, 2011, 03:07:54 PM »
Gday fellow swaggers, does any one use any fuel additives/cleaners on a regular basis and do you find it affective.

I'm asking as i read about in this month CT mag. i use (no affiliation) F10.

Its made in Morley WA. Its not cheap but you can really notice the extra power from my motor.

I use it in every thing from my JD mower to my Gennie!

Worth a look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkCgZop_QTo

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Re: Fuel Treatment
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2011, 03:32:24 PM »
Nope

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Re: Fuel Treatment
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2011, 03:53:33 PM »
where do you get it over here?
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Re: Fuel Treatment
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2011, 06:41:47 PM »
Best additive is nice clean fresh diesel.  You can get it at a servo........

Anything else is BS.   ;D
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Re: Fuel Treatment
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2011, 07:08:52 PM »
Quote from: Roo on September 17, 2011, 03:53:33 PM
where do you get it over here?


Auto one.

Quote from: dazzler on September 17, 2011, 06:41:47 PM
Best additive is nice clean fresh diesel.  You can get it at a servo........

Anything else is BS.   ;D

If only it were that easy.

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Re: Fuel Treatment
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2011, 06:45:50 PM »
Quote from: campingwithkids on September 17, 2011, 07:08:52 PM
If only it were that easy.


agreed. a few sites near me have a less than ideal record for delivering diesel that is either fresh or clean.
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Re: Fuel Treatment
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2011, 09:56:48 PM »
Filters.  The nice people that build our trucks give us fuel filters.   And they can be changed when dirty ;)

Seriously, if you are concerned with fuel quality save your money on additives and fit a replacement with a sediment trap and disposable filter like these;

http://www.4wdsystems.com.au/index.php?id=28
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Re: Fuel Treatment
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2011, 10:01:03 PM »
Problem is they dont kill diesel bug in your tank. for 1L of F10 its $40 bucks.

However it treats 4000L.

What do your filters cost?????????

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Re: Fuel Treatment
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2011, 11:11:06 PM »
The only additive I use is Fuel Set in my boat and in jerry cans where it may be stored for a few months. This stuff is not snake oil and absorbs condensation moisture that occurs in boat fuel tanks over time, and prevents algae growth.
There are other products around like injector cleaner that do work but are not be a miracle cure for a neglected fuel systems. They are more a regular maintenance item IMO if you want to spend money on them.
With common rail diesels I agree with an additional water trap and have one with a see thru bowl on my Hilux, but I would be cautious of advice to add additional filters without some research. Most if not all CRD's recirculate fuel back to the tank as a means of keeping the fuel pump cool. Any restriction to the return flow can cause fuel pump problems that may not become evident in the short term, and can also interfere with the electronic fuel warning systems.
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Re: Fuel Treatment
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2011, 06:16:03 AM »
I use this stuff.
http://www.chemtech.net.au/cr_fueladditives.html
Based on the recommendation from my mechanic ... He seems to know what he's talking about.
One bottle has lasts about 12 months. So from a cost perspective ... I'd rather use it than not.


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Re: Fuel Treatment
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2011, 07:32:56 AM »
Quote from: campingwithkids on September 18, 2011, 10:01:03 PM
Problem is they dont kill diesel bug in your tank. for 1L of F10 its $40 bucks.

However it treats 4000L.

What do your filters cost?????????

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I have been a diesel mechanic since 1984 and around fleet all that time.  I have seen it once.  And that was in a D7 that was being refuelled from an above ground tank in the bush.  It 'generally', there is always an exception of course, occurs when fuel is stored for lengths of time where the tank is exposed to temperature change and condensation forms contaminating the fuel.  The algae grows between the fuel and the water.

If you want to add something go for it.  IMO its not needed.  None of our fleet have ever used additives.  Maybe if you live remote or store fuel above ground.  Otherwise, buy fuel from reputable brand companies and odds on you will be fine.
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Re: Fuel Treatment
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2011, 07:47:44 AM »
Did you watch the youtube clip?

The problem as i have been told is once you have the diesel bug in your tank, you have it for ever.
Out here in the sticks its more common to have diesel in abouve ground tanks, and unless the tank is full you will always have issues with condensation. after living and working in the tropics for several years you learn quickly to keep your car tank full. the way i see it for $40 to clean all the junk from your tank well its a small investment.

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Re: Fuel Treatment
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2011, 10:12:28 PM »
Quote from: dazzler on September 19, 2011, 07:32:56 AM
I have seen it once.  And that was in a D7 that was being refuelled from an above ground tank in the bush.  It 'generally', there is always an exception of course, occurs when fuel is stored for lengths of time where the tank is exposed to temperature change and condensation forms contaminating the fuel.  The algae grows between the fuel and the water.

If you want to add something go for it.  IMO its not needed.  None of our fleet have ever used additives.  Maybe if you live remote or store fuel above ground.  Otherwise, buy fuel from reputable brand companies and odds on you will be fine.

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Hi

I have been a diesel mechanic since 1984 and around fleet all that time.  I have seen it once.  And that was in a D7 that was being refuelled from an above ground tank in the bush.  It 'generally', there is always an exception of course, occurs when fuel is stored for lengths of time where the tank is exposed to temperature change and condensation forms contaminating the fuel.  The algae grows between the fuel and the water.

If you want to add something go for it.  IMO its not needed.  None of our fleet have ever used additives.  Maybe if you live remote or store fuel above ground.  Otherwise, buy fuel from reputable brand companies and odds on you will be fine.

Yup, BP servo West Byron, has had the underground diesel tanks decommissioned and is using an above ground tank, looks like a shipping container, placed nearby the Diesel pump. Was to be a short term thing....been there a while now and our trucks and forklift diesel filters are showing the signs of it. Dark staining in the filter medium.

One of my local servos has had several incidences of bad fuel, both diesel and Petrol usually after a long and large drop of rains.....you can walk to the beach from this servo in 2 minutes and we're not exactly remote. Dodgy operators cutting corners to make a buck. Old underground tanks that leak and my desire to not rely on the shiny ads that the Oil co's give us about how great it is to use their product is what makes me want to be sure I've done all I can.
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Re: Fuel Treatment
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2011, 04:34:07 AM »
I have just come back after trip to Forster, NSW from Melbourne and back a couple of days ago.  I used the Chemtech and got a marked improvement of fuel consumption on second 80 litres of fuel compared with the first tank full.  I felt the injectors had been a tad dirty for a while now and just restarted using an additive just now after not using my vehicle much over last 5 years.  Before the Chemtech I was starting to blow some unburnt fuel on hard acceleration and that has now decreased somewhat after using additive for injector cleaning in my experience. I have just replaced the Chemtech with a Nulon product to try as well.  Maybe snake oil but I feel better about it.
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Re: Fuel Treatment
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2017, 04:30:45 PM »
I've been looking into diesel injector cleaners/additives and thought I'd update this thread with what I've found. Apart from inlet carbon clogging with EGR and now DPFs the other factor is fuel system and injector cleanliness. The question in my mind is will tank additives like Liqui Molys work with the occasional tank full or is this method of application the real way to go with these chemicals-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYsXHC2-PSw
with the new 'plus' name presumably-
 https://www.autobarn.com.au/liquimoly-purge-plus-diesel-500ml

Just be aware that LM Diesel Purge product is a bit different from the other LM Diesel Clean and Boost product largely for tank addition presumably-
 http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/Liqui-Moly-Diesel-Clean-Boost/325541

I should say that Purge video and method is probably the next best thing to pulling the injectors for professional cleaning and you'd suspect a quantum step up from tank dosing but in any case the recirculating liquid colour will certainly indicate how waxy and dirty things were. I came across a couple of Paj posts where some had found little colour change but how low mileage were they and that begs the question at what interval you'd do a Purge process or do you do a more regular tank dosage instead.
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Re: Fuel Treatment
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2017, 04:46:24 PM »
I should add while you can skip through that longish Purge video to get the gist of it he's doing it a lot better than Liqui Moly are-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgg3Y2vzWes
as the DIY videos all show pouring it into a clear container so you know when it's running out. However the addition of that inline filter makes good sense even with LM's way straight out of the container as you can see when the filter is beginning to run dry and stop.
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