What do you think is still unacceptable?

[alnjan]

One thing I don't understand all that well is how this has occurred. Kids without basics? It seems to be the common theme mentioned and easily dismissible.

Our friends and families that have kids have been taught right from wrong, and appear to be respectful to their peers. So where do these kids come from? The good part of town, the bad part of town - these things haven't changed with time.

Sure we see these issues occasionally, as we all do; parents yelling obscenities at their young which I don't feel appropriate (etc.) but what do we feel with time has changed?

In answer to this I will give a very broad stereo typical answer.  

With the introduction of the Child Protection Policy, the message was sent loud and clear to the kids, unfortunately it was the wrong message that was too strongly delivered to the kids through the Schools, that no one was allowed to touch them, chastise them.  with the fear of having their children taken away from them, parents stopped chastising their.  How many parents smack their children?  

A lot of parents believe there is nothing they can do to chastise their child.  Every parent still has the right to lawfully chastise their child.  They are not allowed to abuse or neglect  their child.  

As a result some parents still play an active part in chastising their child but unfortunately the majority just let the child do as it pleases and thus we have a generation that is now having it's own children that have never been taught (in the home) how to be respectful or how to behave in the broader community.  They have set their own level of socially accepted behaviour.  Now it is the rest of the community that has the problem and has to deal with it.  

Very broad statement I know but I base it on my own experience of dealing with this situation at work, day in day out

[alnjan]

The phrase or proverb, 'It takes a Village to raise a Child' should still apply today.   

Unfortunately today's village, or community is not what it used to be and is itself very fractured causing big gaps for the child to fall through.

It may be fantasy land stuff but it seems to apply  http://www.justpeace.org/village.htm

[dno]

In answer to this I will give a very broad stereo typical answer.  

With the introduction of the Child Protection Policy, the message was sent loud and clear to the kids, unfortunately it was the wrong message that was too strongly delivered to the kids through the Schools, that no one was allowed to touch them, chastise them.  with the fear of having their children taken away from them, parents stopped chastising their.  How many parents smack their children?  

A lot of parents believe there is nothing they can do to chastise their child.  Every parent still has the right to lawfully chastise their child.  They are not allowed to abuse or neglect  their child.  

As a result some parents still play an active part in chastising their child but unfortunately the majority just let the child do as it pleases and thus we have a generation that is now having it's own children that have never been taught (in the home) how to be respectful or how to behave in the broader community.  They have set their own level of socially accepted behaviour.  Now it is the rest of the community that has the problem and has to deal with it.  

Very broad statement I know but I base it on my own experience of dealing with this situation at work, day in day out

I totally agree with this, add in the problems that come with separated perants and you've got a pretty good snap shot of modern Australia.

Isn't there some way the Government can Tax this problem ? That'd fix it.

Take your hat off in a pub, good luck finding that when it's time to leave.  
Here good sir, mind putting that on your hat stand please.

This day and age you can try as you will to lead your child the right way, but the odds are staked against you. Your children by them self are fine, it's the one's they go to school with down the road that make it so boring and mundane to do the right thing.

Children.   There all victim's just ask them.
 
I'd like to revisit this thread in ten to fifteen years.

[christofurry]

Im 28, so Im not old, but I believe in a few simple things.

1. Blokes should hold the door open for a women when entering/exiting a building
2. Take your hat off at the dinner table, inside the house pub or whatever is ok but when you sit at a table take it off.
3. Dont talk during movies
4. Dont smoke near people who dont smoke
5. Stand up and offer your seat if a woman needs to sit down
6. Dont answer your mobile phone if someone is talking to you and dont talk on the phone if your being served at a cash register etc
7. Use table manners, dont chew with your mouth open (that really gets me)

I suppose I could go on, but to me its just common courtesy. Its a shame more poeple dont have it

[Sharshebelle1]

Of course you do not eat with headgear on. It's simple manners, which have disappeared from this nation and the vile, petulant little "gimmee, gimmee, I want it NOW" generation have never been taught any. Only bogans wear hoodies, a garment which reflects their lower class and even lower intelligence.
One of the many things such types fail to understand is that modern mobile phones are sophisticated electronic devices on which you can have a conversation in a low voice. You do not, as they seem to think, have to shout.
Manners rule, OK?
Tony

Im certainly not a bogan and I would rate myself quite intellegent, yet I wear a hoodie, particularly when camping. Not generalising much are we ?

[GU Rich]

Im certainly not a bogan and I would rate myself quite intellegent, yet I wear a hoodie, particularly when camping. Not generalising much are we ?

x2, I have one on at the moment.

Hoodies are nothing new I have had them for years.

Cheers
Rich

[DANBRI]

What is the general concensus of a bogan?

I think I'm an educated one, though I don't fashion myself to like VB.

[alnjan]

x2, I have one on at the moment.

Hoodies are nothing new I have had them for years.

Cheers
Rich

Nothing wrong with wearing a hoodie, but do you wear the hood up over your head at a restaurant?

[Alloy C/T]

Hats are to keep the sun or rain off your scon so you don,t need to wear one anywhere inside , Sunglasses are to protect your eyes from the suns rays so how intelligent are the lot who insist on wearing them an night !!  Yeah I know there is the odd one or 3 who need to protect their eyes after surgery and or medical conditions but wtf every wannabe rock an roller needs shades ??

[darren]

Hats are to keep the sun or rain off your scon so you don,t need to wear one anywhere inside , Sunglasses are to protect your eyes from the suns rays so how intelligent are the lot who insist on wearing them an night !!  Yeah I know there is the odd one or 3 who need to protect their eyes after surgery and or medical conditions but wtf every wannabe rock an roller needs shades ??

I know what your saying. All these country bumkins with there big cowboy hats on inside and at night...

[discoteddy]

Hoodies are o.k as are hats, it's all time and place I guess. I often wonder why I see young blokes walking around at night in shorts , wearing a hoodie top pulled half over their face. I get concerned when their used to conceal indentities. Hats on whilst eating, not in our place


Disco.

[GU Rich]

Nothing wrong with wearing a hoodie, but do you wear the hood up over your head at a restaurant?

Ummm no, Going back to Old Diggers post Hoodies are for Bogans, Thats very General.

I also wear a cap.

[Burnsy]

Unacceptable............ not modelling appropriate behaviours in front of children, especially swearing.

[hookedon4wding]

This seems timely for the discussion here...

Article in today's Herald Sun - Parents need new skills to maintain discipline

Cheers, Sam.

[Duchess]

Unfortunately today's village, or community is not what it used to be and is itself very fractured causing big gaps for the child to fall through.

This really resonates with me. You would not believe how many people, be they my regular customers or those who know me as a swimming coach, get me time and again to help with the discipline of their children.

Apparently, one of my fierce looks will freeze a kid in their tracks and one word from me will have them as a blubbering mess. This week alone I think I have had two kids in tears...and all I was doing was asking them to refrain from putting their hands all over the glass cake cabinets!!

On a more serious note...I have had parents ask me to discipline their kids at swimming but I don't believe that that is my role as a coach. Discipline comes from the parents. I do agree that the child protection policy has really stopped people from being disciplined with their kids. I mean, seriously, how much sugar does your kid need to eat before you take the sugar bowl away!?! Actually, theres a thought. Perhaps I shall now suggest to those neglectful parents who are letting their kids destroy our sugar sachets that they in fact are the ones being neglectful in their care of their kids...

[kranky al]

what gets me is young ladies not wearing neck to ankle clothing in the middle of summer any more - its just the height of bad manners go go out in public dressed like that - oh... hand on - its not 1865 any more - and that rule has kind of gone by the wayside hasnt it



what gets me is going down the beach and young women wearing these newfangled things called bikinis - how much flesh do they want to show off - poor manners - ohh hold on a minute - its not 1930 anymore

times change - and what you wear and where you wear it changes as well - some people stuggle with that i know  - think of it this way: how does it actually affect you when someone wears a hat inside - how does it interfere with your enjoyment of whatever it is you are enjoying?  


i wear hoodies and hats - but im very quiet at the movies.

[D4D]

times change - and what you wear and where you wear it changes as well

Times may change but good manners don't

[bullfrog]

I would agree with Duchess, she scares the gravy out of me!! As for making kids cry, that's what she calls fun  
I think the whole hat / hoodie thing can be summed up as "a time & place for everything". I bet you wouldn't walk into an RSL club with a hat on, I'll wager it wouldn't be on for long!! You would get the same sort of reception as the young fella who was at a local club run by the RSL wearing a T shirt with a big Swastika on it   He got shifted real quick & bluntly. Still can't get my head around women & kids swearing in public especially. Just not right....

[kranky al]

Times may change but good manners don't

so i assume if i see you at the beach in anything less than neck to toe bathers you will give yourself a jolly good talking to shall i





what constitutes good manners does indeed change over time - and it does change depending on the society you are bought up in  - for me to walk up to a mate ive known for years but havnt seen for a while and to say -" hey fred - long time no see what are you up to you old bastard" is not something we would think much of

say that to a pom 70 years ago and you would want to be able to fight - say it to an upper class englishman 250 years ago and you would be calling for a second and fighting with pistols/ swords/ fighting irons or the like - and you would be fighting for your life.


it was once bad manners for a lady to speak when men were talking about politics


there are a lot of things that were once considered bad manners that have gone by the by - the things that continue to be bad manners are those that affect the wellbeing or enjoyment of others.

[Jon]

Simple respect for others, whether you know them or not, should be a school subject.

I am constantly astounded at the lack of respect SOME kids and adults have for others. You cant teach a child the meaning of respect if you dont have it for yourself.

Many dont. 

[singo-26]

Simple respect for others, whether you know them or not, should be a school subject.

I am constantly astounded at the lack of respect SOME kids and adults have for others. You cant teach a child the meaning of respect if you dont have it for yourself.

Many dont. 

Unfortunately kids rights are a school subject. The responsibilities that go with the rights are forgotten.

[Swogjb]

Are you a 'Bogan' ??

http://www.bogan.com.au/definition/index.php

[Kit_e_kat9]

I'm not going to say anything in particular is right or wrong ... but I am over that first life hurdle age wise.  People do need to understand that they aren't the only ones living on this planet and calling it home.  Whether you've had a bad upbringing or not, whether you were born with the silver spoon or not, whether your parents were separated or not, whether you choice is a hat a hoodie or a fruit bowl up there... I don't think it really matters. 

How you chose to live your life and how you chose to treat others is your responsibility and reflects how your view your world and whether it owes you something or not (which it doesn't by the way ... but that's just my opinion).

I was given certain values as a child which I still uphold to this day.  The most important of which was:  everyone deserves at least one or two chances to prove they are worthy of your friendship and loyalty, before you can tell them to shove it up their clacker  .  No hats inside, don't rely on other people to do things for you, respect your elders (that's anyone that is older than you), don't swear at your mother in anger and especially not your grandparents (or really anyones if it comes to that), always say please and thankyou and excuse me, you can burp in front of your parents but not anyone else, when you are told to be quiet by your parents then do it, listen even when you aren't interested, if you can't say anything nice then say nothing, never leave a stranger with a bad impression of you ... which is my personal favourite.  There were heaps more, but those are the common courtesy ones that always come to mind when I'm living my life. 

It's not really all that hard ... sort of like:  keep to the left, stop at the red lights, don't go over the speed limit, make sure it's got heaps of petrol and good tyres! 

Everything in life comes with rules ... abiding by them is the hardest thing you'll ever have to do, because the rest is fairly easy.

Kit_e

[ralphedward]

I'm with you Kit_e!!!!!!!

[GS]

Simple stuff

1. Use common sense
2. Respect others
3. Be good to your parents