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Threat to Free-Camping and Freedom of Choice!
« on: August 18, 2011, 07:24:41 PM »
The CCIA is pushing for closure of some free/cheap camp sites because they believe these sites are a threat to caravan and holiday parks >:(

Read this Caravan & Camping Profile, it becomes apparent on page 11 what the CCIA's intentions are >:D

http://www.caravan-camping.com.au/files/media-kits/CCIA-Industry-Profile.pdf
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Re: Threat to Free-Camping and Freedom of Choice!
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2011, 07:36:41 PM »
 Tasmania - State to control Free Camping!

This appeared in the Wednesday issue of - The Advocate

No happy campers if pricing policy pushed

17 Aug, 2011 12:00 AM
A UNIFORM statewide policy will soon determine how much councils charge for camping and motorhome sites, meaning many of the free options might become a thing of the past.
The Advocate revealed yesterday that council-provided free camping and motorhome sites were seriously under threat following complaints by caravan park owners being upheld against Latrobe, West Coast, Kentish and Central Highlands councils.
The Office of the Tasmanian Economic Regulator, based on "competitive neutrality" grounds, ruled the council free sites financially disadvantaged park operators.
Local government Minister Bryan Green said a uniform pricing policy would soon be adopted statewide.
"In order to support councils in their decision-making on this matter, the State Government is developing a directions paper that will look at the broader issues for councils and propose a statewide policy and uniform pricing methodology for councils for freedom camping and self-contained caravans and motorhomes," Mr Green said.
Mr Green recently directed the four councils, which were the subject of complaints, making "them comply with national competition policy competitive neutrality requirements".
"Our government understands the importance of promoting tourism in regional areas but we also know there are significant benefits to communities having viable privately owned businesses, which employ local people and which may encourage other local investment in that area."

Compliance with National competition policy neutrality requirements  ???

There are competing needs of communities but it would appear to be that the push by park owners may be to the detriment of that community.

What happens at time of peak demand when parks are full ???

Is this the thin edge of the wedge ???

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Re: Threat to Free-Camping and Freedom of Choice!
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2011, 07:52:50 PM »
I hope we remain able to free camp for a long time to come, losing this freedom would be a tragedy >:(
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Re: Threat to Free-Camping and Freedom of Choice!
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2011, 08:04:08 PM »
Motorhome travellers threaten to axe Tassie
18 Aug, 2011 12:00 AM
MOTORHOME travellers have reacted angrily to the threat posed to free camping and parking sites, flooding authorities with their concerns.
Local Government Minister Bryan Green's office and the four councils so far impacted by the changes have been inundated with emails from mostly interstate motorhome, caravan and camping enthusiasts angry about the threat to free sites following rulings by the Office of the Tasmanian Economic Regulator.


West Coast Mayor Darryl Gerrity said the emails began flooding in this week, with responses including:


I read the following article and have decided that if you are going to veto my CHOICE regarding where I camp in my motorhome then I am going to CHOOSE not to come to your neck of the woods - ever! (Andrew).


After reading about your decision with regards to modest overnight fees, we too will be withholding our tourist dollar from your state. What a shame that you have fallen in line with Queensland and NSW. (Ray Spindler).


If free camping is restricted we will reconsider our travel plans and spend our money elsewhere. (Kevin Patterson, NSW).


We were considering going back to Tasmania in the near future for a similar length of time but we will now have to reconsider. Our disposable income is still at the same level as it was three years ago and as we all know, the cost of living has gone up considerably, not to mention the cost of the ferry crossing. I suppose we will just have to stay on our own side of the strait and consider other mainland destinations. (Rod & Elaine Goodwin, Qld).


My wife and I had planned to spend February to April down there next year but sadly looks like we'll be staying on the mainland instead, probably around the Eyre Peninsula in SA. We are one of many who look after our camp areas and don't mind spending our retirement savings in the communities. They are the ones who will suffer if this decision goes through. (Pat & Cheryl Robinson, NSW).


Let me say how very, very disappointed I am to see on both the online Caravanners & Motorhome Club forums a link to the online edition of The Advocate about the probable closure of those great camping facility you offer(ed) on the outskirts of Sheffield and Latrobe. PS I will copy this letter to Local Government Minister Bryan Green for his edification. (Laurie Hoffman).


I was about to book the ferry to Tasmania for a 4 months excursion over next summer but now put this on hold until I get some clarification. (Neil Bilney WA).



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Re: Threat to Free-Camping and Freedom of Choice!
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2011, 08:09:18 PM »

GARY STEVENS
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TOURISTS from Gippsland, Melbourne and interstate have slammed a plan to outlaw camping in the Walhalla township.
Visitors to Walhalla, including members of the Campervan and Motorhome Club of Australia (CMCA), are not happy with the plan to establish a new camping ground at the Chinese Gardens, north of the town.

Some visitors fear the move would return Walhalla to its "ghost town" status of a decade ago.

Once developed, the camping ground would stop visitors from pitching tents and parking caravans throughout Walhalla.

Increased visitor numbers, particularly over Easter, have placed pressure on facilities in Walhalla, stirring concerns by authorities about the danger of camping by the roadside and Stringer's Creek.

The health of the environment and public are also at risk due to a lack of toilet and rubbish facilities, with claims some campers are using Stringer's Creek as a toilet.

Under the plan, visitors may be forced to pay fees and book ahead to camp in Walhalla at the current North Gardens camping ground or the new Chinese Gardens site.

But public feedback to a strategy group considering the development has so far been unsupportive of the proposed ban.

Many long time campers have also made their objections over the last two months in a book full of letters which will be presented to the relevant authorities.

Campers have said unrestricted camping is an attraction of staying in Walhalla and they would find somewhere else to visit if forced to stay in a new camping ground.

"The attraction...was always the option to be able to camp in a wonderful historical bush setting without the hindrance of the authority of a caravan park," a Marysville tourist wrote.

People are concerned the planned camping ground will destroy the town's current charm.

"It seems as though there is a push to drive away those who have supported the town for many years when it almost died," a visitor wrote.

"Please don't ruin Walhalla by making it yet another soulless yuppie destination."

Another wrote that Walhalla was being "groomed for the wealthy".
"Walhalla used to be for everybody, not just a quaint weekender for Melbourne's wealthy."
One regular long time camper wrote that while more camping grounds and facilities could be an asset, it would be a "big mistake" for Walhalla if roadside camping was prohibited.
"By all means restrict it where necessary, regulate it - this isn't about money, most of us would be happy to pay a camping fee - but don't stop the roadside camping."
Visitors from interstate, in town for the first time, wrote how they fell in love with Walhalla and have planned to return.
However after learning of the planned camping ground, they say they may be forced to reconsider.
Others claimed while camping was free and unrestricted, they spent their money in the town but would be unable to do this if forced to pay for camping.
Some suggestions by campers include establishing toilet facilities near the southern end of town, more rubbish bins, and to charge fees for camping in town, using the income for maintenance.
A toilet block is planned for the southern end of town as part of a carpark development at the Walhalla train station.


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Re: Threat to Free-Camping and Freedom of Choice!
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2011, 08:11:36 PM »
Thoughtless RV tourists pose real threat to Australian camping freedoms says CMCA

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Flocks of motorhomes, campervans, caravans, 5th wheelers, campers and Australian travellers with tents start their annual winter migration north soon.

But as thousands of Australia's Recreational Vehicle mounted Snow Birds head for the Northern sun Phillip Berry Manager Projects and Member Benefits Campervan and Motorhome Club of Australia Ltd says camping freedoms are in danger.

"Australian travellers face some serious problems with overcrowding in rest areas".

"People overstay the allotted time, and others draining grey water onto bitumen carparks", he said. "These are just some of the issues that we are dealing with".

"We now face a real threat of losing many of the benefits that we currently have in these areas".

"Being an RV tourist in Australia brings with it certain responsibilities", Phillip Berry says.

"CMCA spend a considerable amount of their resources in lobbying governments at all levels for increased and improved benefits for all mobile tourists travelling throughout this wonderful country", he said.

"Sadly, there are those who do not do the right thing, and they subsequently give all RV tourists a bad name".

"They also make it very difficult for us when negotiating with local councils for new and better rest areas and new dump point installations", he said.
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"Once again, as the winter migration to the north commences, we need to get the message across to those who do not do the right thing about the consequences of their actions" Phillip Berry said.

"This year we are facing major problems in Queensland and the northern part of Western Australia".

"If people continue to do the wrong thing as they did last year, we are in real danger of losing many of the great overnight rest areas that are currently available to us", he said.

"One of the main issues is people overstaying the time limit".

"If an area is posted as being a 24 hour rest area, that is exactly what it means".

"Many car parks in beachside locations in northern Queensland are available for overnight stays".

"If people continue to abuse this privilege, then we may lose these areas. Just because others may abuse the privilege and stay longer does not mean you can, or should", Phillip Berry said.

"Please do not park in a manner that blocks a local resident’s view, and do not park in a residential street". "If you are asked by a Council Ranger to move on, please do not abuse them. If fees apply to an area, please pay them. Councils have to maintain these areas, and to avoid paying fees is only abusing a privilege", he said.

"Please do not hang washing out around your vehicle whilst stopped in a rest area".

"This creates an unsightly image, and only damages our reputation in the eyes of councils and the general public".

"Always ask yourself, Would I want someone camped in front of my home?" Or blocking the lovely view that was the reason I bought this home?” Phillip Berry said

"The lack of water is still a major issue in many towns across our country".
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"Please remember that it is the local residents that pay for this water, and in many towns they are still on strict water restrictions", he said.

"Always ask before filling your water tanks, and perhaps pay a couple of dollars into a local charity box". "Do not wash your vehicle, not only is this wasteful, but it is the easiest way to get the local community and the local Council offside", Phillip Berry said.

"If you are staying in a caravan park on a non-powered site, please do not hook up to power after dark".

"Some caravan parks have now removed areas that they had made available for self-contained vehicles at a nominal cost due to people doing this, or using the ablution blocks when they have not paid to do so".

"You may think no one will notice or it is not a big issue, but remember, caravan park owners are business people trying to make a living, so please don’t try and cheat them", Phillip Berry said.

"Next year when you go to book in your area in the ‘self-contained’ section of the park, you may wonder why it is no longer available".

"And the privilege has been lost to everyone due to your actions", Phillip Berry said.

"Sometimes it is only one person who causes the loss of these privileges".

"Another problem is people stopping overnight adjacent to a council structure such as a camp kitchen, and then connecting their caravan to the power overnight".

"This is just abusing a privilege that the council has provided", he said.

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"Unless you are given permission to do so by the controlling authority, NEVER discharge your grey waste onto the ground, especially if you are parked on bitumen", Phillip Berry said.

"Wherever possible all grey and black water waste should be discharged into a dump point".

"We acknowledge that this is not always possible, so in extreme cases it will need to be buried in the bush".

"There are strict parameters for doing this".

"DO NOT discharge the waste directly onto the ground surface".

"This is nothing less than environmental vandalism, and can create serious health issues, especially in areas where children may play", he said.

"Please do not flush grey and black water holding tanks or their hoses with a hose attached to a potable water outlet".

"This can cause contamination, not just for your water, but for others using the outlet after you", he said.

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"Whenever possible, please support the RV Friendly Towns around Australia".

"When visiting an RV Friendly Town™, please remember that they have had to meet a strict criterion to be part of the CMCA scheme".

"However, not every RV Friendly Town™ may have exactly what you are looking for".

"For example, the rest area that has been provided for short term stays may not be within walking distance of the main street".

"It may have been established on the only land available". "Please do not complain to the council or local business people if something is not where you think it should be".
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"It is important to realise that the actions of one person can cause the loss of a benefit enjoyed by so many".

"One persons bad behaviour can tarnish the image of all RV tourists, and can indeed give all RV tourists a bad name".

 "Please remember that abusing someone may make you feel better, but the ramifications can hurt many others".

"This industry will continue to grow at the current rapid rate".

"We will need more rest areas and dump points around this wonderful, beautiful country", Phillip Berry said.

"We need all the help we can get to do this, and the best help we can get is for everyone to at all times ensure that their behaviour is exemplary".

To enjoy this wonderful lifestyle, and to ensure that we all continue to do so, PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING".

Phillip Berry

Manager Projects and Member Benefits

Campervan and Motorhome Club of Australia Ltd

www.cmca.net.au
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Re: Threat to Free-Camping and Freedom of Choice!
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2011, 08:26:55 PM »
I have a lot to say about this but I am so mad words just can say it >:D >:D


We went out today to look for sites where we can camp close to home (sydney) and it was real struggle. Most of us work and only get weekends off an even though there are a lot of great stops further out everywhere local is closed off.

Our parks are being closed off and bollards installed.
We will stay in caravan parks but as a last resort. The whole reason we go camping is the get away from people. We have spend nearly $120,000.00 including car,camper and equipment to do so that is why the CCIA figures growth figures are looking good many other people like you and me do the same.

If they force me into caravan parks I'll just sell the lot and travel overseas with my dollars.

I do have to laugh when ever I look at the CCIA brochures they all show campers on their own in a great spot and now they are trying to push us into caravan parks where you can reach out and touch your neighbour




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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2011, 09:13:56 PM »
....now they are trying to push us into caravan parks where you can reach out and touch your neighbour

Isn't this why we go camping? So that we aren't just reaching out and touching our neighbour!? Well, I sure as heck don't want to be squashed in with heaps of people I don't know...I don't mind being camped near my friends but well, I know them!!

All this is about is the dollar, isn't it. Clearly, the CCIA think that they're missing out on making a huge profit with all of us running around out here not paying for camping.

Well, they can't stop us from camping out on our friends places and seeing as I know a few friends with some great camp spots, we'll just take our camping there where they can't touch us...or can they??  ??? ::)

I also know a couple of great National Parks that don't charge for entry or camping yet either but...ssshhh.... :-X


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Re: Threat to Free-Camping and Freedom of Choice!
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2011, 09:26:44 PM »
After they charge me close to $500 just go get my camper trailer onto their island, they want to charge me more?

Once they "fix" the price, you can bet it wont be $10-20 a night for an unpowered site - which is just a pile of dirt usually, not even grass..  Whats the best $30-50 per site per night??  You have no choice now - pay up or piss off.

As said, most people go camping to get away from 23098230498203489230948 people. They dont want to be rammed in like sardines. it's why I don't bother going away long weekends anymore.

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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2011, 11:48:48 PM »
Sadly it is also getting harder in WA to find nice free camp sites. The laws here relate to a distance from caravan parks, I think it is 16km and you are not allowed to camp.

But now most councils are also regulating and closing off popular areas.

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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2011, 12:15:20 PM »
It is very dissapointing that the Cravan Parks continue to raise their prices and then complain when people return to bush camping.  I have spent years involved with the caravan industries association and have let that lapse as this is now becoming an unviable prospect for families.

We, as people who enjoy bush camping, well away from others need to start to lobby all levels of Government to ensure we can continue our australian way of life!!

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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2011, 05:39:34 PM »
It is very dissapointing that the Cravan Parks continue to raise their prices and then complain when people return to bush camping.  I have spent years involved with the caravan industries association and have let that lapse as this is now becoming an unviable prospect for families.

We, as people who enjoy bush camping, well away from others need to start to lobby all levels of Government to ensure we can continue our australian way of life!!

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Exactly!   last week on Whats Up Down Under, Frankie. J Holden who owns a Caravan Park was on his own show  sprouting off about Free Camping and how its forcing the van parks out! Oh! please Frank give us a break ::) He also went on to say it's the Aussie way to help a mate and we should support vans parks! Well Frank, Eat your own words me thinks.

People free camp for two reasons (1) as stated in above posts is to get away from the crowds and enjoy what nature has on offer, (2) and this would apply to many a Grey Nomad or Families etc on the road, to save money and avoid the high costs of parks making travel more affordable.  Well Frankie, if it's the Aussie way to help a mate, why don't you reduce the rates of the parks. Me thinks not!

People who want to use parks will, and those who wish to free/bush camp will, Remember when your fancy cabins are empty because people can't pay $100 to $200+ a night. it'll be the vanner's/campers will still be there. Oh! hang on maybe not, they'll be out bush camping.  >:D
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2011, 06:01:29 PM »
As this is all about money

A caravan park can cost $25 or more a night so we all use caravan parks for our full 4 weeks a year off that's $700 a year right


As we are now using caravan parks we don't need

Dual battery system around $500
2 gam battery's $700
Generator $1500
Solar panels $600
Extra water tank $500

So does the caravan industry gain or loss out if we free camp hmmmmm


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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2011, 06:24:33 PM »
As this is all about money

A caravan park can cost $25 or more a night so we all use caravan parks for our full 4 weeks a year off that's $700 a year right


As we are now using caravan parks we don't need

Dual battery system around $500
2 gam battery's $700
Generator $1500
Solar panels $600
Extra water tank $500

So does the caravan industry gain or loss out if we free camp hmmmmm

Yes that is a good point but for some of us (me at least) where we go there are no caravan parks so we need to be self sufficient. Unfortunately even in remote locations it is becomming more restricted as to where we can go and where we can camp.  We do use caravan parke when we get to major destinations but some are getting rediculous, like last trip to Broome it was $55 a night. 

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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2011, 06:55:44 PM »
Bugger I can't afford the extra 3 or 4 thousand to get set up for free camping at the moment, hopefully by the time I cash in the Super there will be some free camping left.
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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2011, 07:03:44 PM »
I agree with these comments and its all good and well to vent and whinge.
I excel at it ;D ;D ;D

BUT...........

If you're serious about your opinion, write a letter to your local MP and don't just vent, ask for specific action and reply.
Make the buggers accountable for their earnings.
If just everyone on this site was to do it it would impact local government enough for them to realise its a real concern.

I think if we also state our case, such as spending money on local economy and supporting local clubs etc rather than sprouting about civil liberties it will make a decent case for consideration.
Even ask for a mention at your next council meeting. you may find your local member takes his family camping or went with his parents.....

Go on give it a go....
Perhaps even a count could be made on this site. Or a poll type tick where we can see how many people are actually willing to put the effort in to make a difference.

Now if I sprain my ankle getting of this soapbox, who do I sue????????

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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2011, 07:07:32 PM »
maybe slightly off topic, but if caravan parks are worried about business they might want to consider prices.
I was recently quoted $75 per night for a powered site in dubbo!  Motel room... $90 in same town...

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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2011, 07:20:34 PM »


We went out today to look for sites where we can camp close to home (sydney) and it was real struggle.




We WILL keep our secret spots secret, won't we??

That would be YES by the way ;D

With regard to Tassie, hopefully the irate grey nomads will flood the people responsible for this situation.
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Fair competition be buggered.

The very definition of competition is a contest for some prize, honor, or advantage:

Obviously, free camping has advantages. It is basic supply and demand, if there is no demand, soon the supply will be reduced accordingly.
Councils should launch an appeal citing price fixing.

Assisting councils with their decision process? What a crock. Telling them what to do to assuage a few van park owners who should offer more attractive facilities if they feel hardly done by. Bigger sites, more space, better BBQ's.

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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2011, 07:26:25 PM »

Now if I sprain my ankle getting of this soapbox, who do I sue????????

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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2011, 07:43:29 PM »

We WILL keep our secret spots secret, won't we??



It will stay very secret don't worry about that but i can't say it won't be used a lot  :cheers:


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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2011, 09:31:38 PM »
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I was recently quoted $75 per night for a powered site in dubbo!  Motel room... $90 in same town...
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« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2011, 10:28:40 PM »
All I can say is were still lucky there are a few good spots up our way that we can free camp. It's not about the money for us, it's simply about being alone. One of the bet spots I have camped in the last while was on the Carpenteria Hwy. Now one came past after we stopped off the road. We were next to a stream, had a fire, had the family and nothing else (had to ring my mate Frosty though on the Sat) but other than that ot was isolation, that's why we go camping. Not to be next to some one else.

We had never used a free camp as in the ones along the hwy until we went to the Cape last Month. The Vans are think in there and it was hard to find a spot. We ended up juts opening the camper in an off the road spot, no pegs etc. The drop loos can't cope with the numbers - we need to work out some thing. These places should before what they are, a stop for the night. No washing lines please, no setting up for the week. Anyway, why would you. None of these places are all that flash. Maybe Marys Pool out of Hall Creek but most are just Tar Seal
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Re: Threat to Free-Camping and Freedom of Choice!
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2011, 07:07:42 AM »
I love free camping and have the best spots on my door step, Sandycape, Pieman Heads, Ocean Beach e.t.c. I will still free camp bring on the anarchy ;D
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Re: Threat to Free-Camping and Freedom of Choice!
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2011, 07:44:45 AM »
Plenty of spots around Sydney.

I really did want to travel to tassie but maybe not now
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Re: Threat to Free-Camping and Freedom of Choice!
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2011, 07:48:18 AM »
Plenty of spots around Sydney.

I really did want to travel to tassie but maybe not now

Your loss,,,,,,
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