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How to stop bad fuel ?
« on: June 07, 2011, 06:39:46 PM »
Watching the news & chatting around ,, How do you stop a bad fill . What fuel filters do you use to save your rig getting a gut full of contaminated fuel . Its a stich in time that saves type of thing .
There must be a fuel filter that goes in line the stop the slop going through . Post away to save us the problem  ;D
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2011, 06:43:35 PM »
On the underground mine utes, we use a wire mesh, very fine, shaped over the pick-up in the tank and cable tied into place, stops the sludge build up and many contaminents from entering the lines.

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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2011, 06:53:24 PM »
whats that fuel funnel that everyone uses
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2011, 07:49:27 PM »
There is another filter you can put inline which is finer than the standard fuel filters in most vehicles, will have to do a bit of looking but I have the info around here somewhere...
 
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2011, 07:57:04 PM »
Found it,  Stanadine Fuel System.  I believe around $140?  Only going on someone elses price, have not checked it myself.  They guy that told us about them runs tag along tours and recommends them to anyone going outback.
 
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2011, 08:41:30 PM »
Thanks David  seem as though its got to be an in line system . Will chase it up  :cheers:
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2011, 09:29:56 PM »
You could just use some "fuel doctor."

Get it at any BP servo or truck stop / super cheap. Well worth the 35 odd bucks and works on petrol and diesel.

http://www.fueldoctors.com.au/
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2011, 11:19:34 PM »
If you are talking diesel, some (if not all) modern common rail engines' ECU's monitor the suction line as well as fuel pressure. Extra filter/s or restriction on the suction line are not recommended as they can upset the balance of the system. Just had this exact conversation today with a dealer service centre about fitting a water trap on the suction line or input to the diesel fuel pump.
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2011, 06:51:19 AM »
« Last Edit: June 08, 2011, 06:53:43 AM by GU_Thomo »
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2011, 11:03:08 AM »
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I carry, and use, one of these
http://www.mrfunnel.com/Mr._Funnel/Models.html

thats the thing I was thinkin of..
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2011, 11:23:46 AM »
What size do you need to use the bowser without stopping all the time?
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2011, 11:58:26 AM »
Wonder if the servo Nazis will allow it- they seem to love banning stuff at pumps....
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2011, 01:07:57 PM »
Quote from: camdyson on June 08, 2011, 11:58:26 AM
Wonder if the servo Nazis will allow it- they seem to love banning stuff at pumps....
I had Apu tell me my car was facing the wrong way over the PA on the way home from Eltham somewhere yesterday! He wouldnt start the pump so I could fill up - noting 2pm, not a soul in sight.
So dropped it on the ground and drove to the servo over the road and fueled up...
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2011, 01:51:46 PM »
Rule one for me is never fill up if there is a tanker in the forecourt.

When they drop fuel it stirs up all the crud in the bottom of the tank.  Those funnels are awesome - they'll even catch water (which is why they are used for aircraft) - but it makes filling up slow.
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2011, 04:57:59 PM »
Quote from: Alan Loy on June 08, 2011, 11:23:46 AM
What size do you need to use the bowser without stopping all the time?
I have the 12L/min and it is not fast enough.
The ideal would be the 45L/min

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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2011, 05:26:47 PM »
Quote from: GU_Thomo on June 08, 2011, 04:57:59 PM
I have the 12L/min and it is not fast enough.
The ideal would be the 45L/min

Cheers
Parry

A couple of queries, how big is it Parry, and where do you store it?? One more, do you use it on all fills??

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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2011, 06:46:25 PM »
Like the look of the funnel, prevent crap getting in to start with beats changing filters anytime!
 
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2011, 06:51:12 PM »
Quote from: GU_Thomo on June 08, 2011, 04:57:59 PM
I have the 12L/min and it is not fast enough.
The ideal would be the 45L/min

Cheers
Parry
Parry,

 Are some companies more prone to gunk than others?

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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2011, 08:27:29 PM »
I use this system in my boat, it has fuel going in at top RHS, and filling bowl then out on LHS, leaving all water and sediment at bottom of glass bowl, where it can be seen and drained by a tap under the base of bowl.
There is a divider system in center so fuel can't go from in across to out with-out traveling half way down the bowl and depositing rubbish on the way.

It could easily be adapted to be used in a vehicle, because it come from a truck fuel system originally  ;D
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2011, 08:30:13 PM »
Just another reason why I make my own.. No such thing as "Bad Fuel" for my 80   
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2011, 09:45:01 AM »
Its not only a problem with common rail motors. The old 1 HZ motor in a landcruiser 100 series uses 1 fuel filter whilst the same in a cab chassis ute will have 2 filters, why? I asked MR Toyota and the reason is that at high speeds ( highway) two filters restrict the fuel flow too much to the engine. But what about the utes I hear you say, well the utes are primarily designed for slow work such as farms, stations, mines etc etc where the motors wouldnt be reving as high and the fuel could be suspect.
 So if youre going to put on a pre filter it may pay to check wih the gurus about filter micron sizing.
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2011, 06:50:44 AM »
Thats agood point its finding such that is the tricky bit  ;D
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2011, 07:14:29 AM »
Quote from: GGPatrol on June 08, 2011, 05:26:47 PM
A couple of queries, how big is it Parry, and where do you store it?? One more, do you use it on all fills??

GG
Mine is about 25cm high x 15cm.
The 45L/min is 26Cm high x 22Cm
I just store it in the Camper or the back of the Patrol.
I do not use it around cities or major towns where I can get diesel from a servo with a high turnover.
Mainly used in smaller out of the way places where the fuel may have sat for a while.
It has saved me a few times.

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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2011, 07:23:22 AM »
Quote from: Diesel Power on June 09, 2011, 09:45:01 AM
Its not only a problem with common rail motors. The old 1 HZ motor in a landcruiser 100 series uses 1 fuel filter whilst the same in a cab chassis ute will have 2 filters, why? I asked MR Toyota and the reason is that at high speeds ( highway) two filters restrict the fuel flow too much to the engine. But what about the utes I hear you say, well the utes are primarily designed for slow work such as farms, stations, mines etc etc where the motors wouldnt be reving as high and the fuel could be suspect.
 So if youre going to put on a pre filter it may pay to check wih the gurus about filter micron sizing.
Regards
Angus.

High speeds??????? 1HZ??????????

I have never heard those two put together in a sentence before....
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Re: How to stop bad fuel ?
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2011, 07:24:56 AM »
Quote from: GU Rich on June 08, 2011, 06:51:12 PM
Parry,

 Are some companies more prone to gunk than others?

Rich
Hard to tell Rich.
I always prefer to buy a "Name Brand" diesel.........BP, Shell, Mobil, etc.
I think the problems are mainly from slow turnover sites.
In the yacht I always keep the tank full to prevent water condensing out of the air in the tank.
The more air in the tank the more water you can get from condensation.
This is often why there is water in Servo tanks.
I also use an additive to kill the alge/bacteria that can grow in diesel and turn it to sludge.
After having to clean out the tank once I said "never Again"

The best material for diesel tanks is alluminium, it significantly reduces water from condensation.

Cheers
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