Author Topic: VW Amarok (Read 15441 times)

Nutto · « **on:** February 23, 2011, 01:47:59 PM »

Some info & pricing on the new VW ute
http://autoweb.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/E4461AC2DC2DF24ACA25783E0026AA82
Pitching at the Hilux prices by the looks,
Be an interesting drive with a little 2.0l twin turbo D. Hopefully the 2 hairdyers will eliminate lag that the current utes using 2.5 diesels have(driven both triton & Nav 2.5 - go like stink - after the lag...)

Nutto

DANBRI · « **Reply #1 on:** February 23, 2011, 01:55:10 PM »

Cool, looks competitive.

I'm liking the new Ranger, hubba hubba.

BigJules · « **Reply #2 on:** February 23, 2011, 02:04:50 PM »

They just need two of those little motors in there and it'll be a ripper.

It looks nicely finished, but I can't see a two litre ute achieving big things in Australia. Something about milk and juice...

rescue1 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2011, 03:37:19 PM »

Being an owner of a D40 Navara and having driven the Amarok and the new V6 Navara, I wish the Amarok was around when I bought the Navara.......because I wouldn't have!

dazzler · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2011, 04:35:19 PM »

Quote from: bigjules on February 23, 2011, 02:04:50 PM

They just need two of those little motors in there and it'll be a ripper.

It looks nicely finished, but I can't see a two litre ute achieving big things in Australia. Something about milk and juice...

The engine is modified from the transporter range and is AWESOME.

Check the stats;

120kW (at 4000 rpm) and 400Nm of torque from 1500 to 2500rpm. 7.7 litres per hundred highway and a ZF transmission.

I thought the same when I first read about it but having had a transporter for a while they are bloody brilliant engines. If they had a bench front seat I would get one tomorrow

I saw a silver one on the Huon Highway and they look heaps wider than my Ford Ranger ute.

morgue · « **Reply #5 on:** February 23, 2011, 05:12:50 PM »

I'm still sitting on the fence, yep, it has the hype at the moment, but the stats show that the VW still has drum rear breaks?, I've heard that maintenance costs will be in the med to high range.
The overall look of the ute is nice, a lot softer compared to its competition, it needs a few years in the market.

Laith · « **Reply #6 on:** February 23, 2011, 05:26:39 PM »

Haha. $59,000 for a dual cab ute (yes it's the top one but what one would you have?) and you get a 2 litre engine that makes 120kw. Realy.

I mean it looks pretty cool but not much different to say a Colorado.

Why are all our new diesels becoming so small and so highly strung?

Isuzumu · « **Reply #7 on:** February 23, 2011, 06:01:41 PM »

I look at it this way:- a F1 race car developes around 1000 HP from 2.4 litres so 120 KW from 2 litre should not be a problem. And how much HP do they get out of the 2.6 litre Skyline, as some one said time will tell. But the gear they come with say compared to the V6 Navara for off road is pretty good.
I am waiting to check out the new Ford and am hoping the new D-Max won't be far away as well, but if it comes to a crunch I will buy the VW, why BUILD QUALITY.

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/51431/2011-volkswagen-amarok-launched-in-australia

Laith · « **Reply #8 on:** February 23, 2011, 06:28:18 PM »

How long do those F1 engines last? How would they go towing a camper.

There is as much opinion against VW build quality in europe as there is for from what I can tell.

I mean the new v8 landcruiser motor is raved about and they didnt go smaller to achieve the power. I just prefer the logic of a bigger motor don't have to work so hard. But anyway, thats just me and I'm no expert.

DANBRI · « **Reply #9 on:** February 23, 2011, 06:43:32 PM »

Laith, urgh urgh urgh

MDS69 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2011, 06:48:04 PM »

Quote from: morgue on February 23, 2011, 05:12:50 PM

I'm still sitting on the fence, yep, it has the hype at the moment, but the stats show that the VW still has drum rear breaks?, I've heard that maintenance costs will be in the med to high range.
The overall look of the ute is nice, a lot softer compared to its competition, it needs a few years in the market.

Is there a ute on the market (excluding Falcon and Crummydore) with rear disc brakes?

Isuzumu · « **Reply #11 on:** February 23, 2011, 07:06:50 PM »

Quote from: Laith on February 23, 2011, 06:28:18 PM

How long do those F1 engines last? How would they go towing a camper.

There is as much opinion against VW build quality in europe as there is for from what I can tell.

I mean the new v8 landcruiser motor is raved about and they didnt go smaller to achieve the power. I just prefer the logic of a bigger motor don't have to work so hard. But anyway, thats just me and I'm no expert.

I suppose I could ask how long a V8 LC would last being driven like an F1 to.
And it is not that long ago that a 8 to 10 Litre truck motor was only putting out 600 NM as well, now we have a 4.5 Litre LC do it. So really your point about the size is a little irrelevant. Plus I believe the VW engineers might be a little smarter than us as well.

Laith · « **Reply #12 on:** February 23, 2011, 07:35:11 PM »

Thats the thing mate. You dont need to drive a v8 landcruiser motor the same as an F1 car to get to get the power out of it. A landcruiser v8 makes max power at 3400 revs. Parts wear slower so I don't think its irrelevant at all.

Maybe the VW engineers are making designs on a set of guide lines (ie smaller capacity and less fuel economy) they are given by the people above them. I wouldn't just asume they are usings smaller engines because they are better.

Any way my main gripe is that 120kw is not what I want if I'm spending nearly $60 grand on a cool looking ute.

BigJules · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2011, 07:46:10 PM »

I agree with Laith, I wasn't be facetious with my post about two motors. Don't get me wrong, I am in awe of the performance and economy that the Europeans and Indians (Land Rover) are achieving and clearly there is much more that Toyota need to do, but it is a concern that they're putting small, highly strung motors into large vehicles. This is Australia baby, the biggest, roughest place around.

I like the look of the Amorok, and think it's fantastic that finally some innovation and comfort is being brought into the dual cab space. But I still think it would be a better vehicle if they bolted two motors together and detuned it.

Isuzumu · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2011, 08:19:28 PM »

Laith, we talk NM's with diesels, so the LC ute produces 430 NMs and the VW 400 NMs. The new 550 Navara 3.0 litre yes 550 NMs.
Dazzler drives a VW Transporter with the same motor and says they are great, and they have been around for a while in them, so it is a little run in.
Anyway will talk more after I take one for a test drive in a couple of weeks.
PS It will be hard for any thing to out do my 1995 Isuzu MU diesel which produces around 400 NMs

rescue1 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2011, 08:42:25 PM »

Quote from: MDS69 on February 23, 2011, 06:48:04 PM

Is there a ute on the market (excluding Falcon and Crummydore) with rear disc brakes?

Since the Navara and the Pathfinder share a good deal of parts I'm looking at how hard it would be to put the disc brake rear end of a Pathfinder into a Navara

Jon · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2011, 08:52:48 PM »

Take this body, add Toyota resale value, a 3.8 V6 TTD diesel preferrably from Detroit, Cummins or Caterpillar complete with 180 lt tank, a ZF 6sp manual box from the Amarok, add in all the electronic gadgets from a Discovery 4 but get Bosch to remake them so they work, some Dana diffs from the Rubicon (including front and rear lockers), throw some Bridgestone D694's in 275/75 16LT( I like D694's

), air bags to adjust clearance to suit conditions and a $49k price.
Winner

Feel free to offer your opinion. If you agree.

Jon · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2011, 08:53:59 PM »

Quote from: rescue1 on February 23, 2011, 08:42:25 PM

Since the Navara and the Pathfinder share a good deal of parts I'm looking at how hard it would be to put the disc brake rear end of a Pathfinder into a Navara

Are the Pathies independant rear ends?

Laith · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2011, 08:58:20 PM »

Quote from: Isuzumu on February 23, 2011, 08:19:28 PM

Laith, we talk NM's with diesels, so the LC ute produces 430 NMs and the VW 400 NMs. The new 550 Navara 3.0 litre yes 550 NMs.
Dazzler drives a VW Transporter with the same motor and says they are great, and they have been around for a while in them, so it is a little run in.
Anyway will talk more after I take one for a test drive in a couple of weeks.
PS It will be hard for any thing to out do my 1995 Isuzu MU diesel which produces around 400 NMs

Maybe the VW 2L TD will out perform the Cruiser ute 4.5L TD then. They have similar NM's to each other. I would have to wonder what everyones been raving about then. Maybe I'm wrong but I have this idea that the 2L engine will be working harder and under more stress then the 4.5L making similar power and doing the same job.

My 11 year old son can lift a 20kg bag of chook food, but I can lift it all day.

We will have to agree to disagree.

Jon · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2011, 09:19:07 PM »

Quote from: Laith on February 23, 2011, 08:58:20 PM

I have this idea that the 2L engine will be working harder and under more stress then the 4.5L making similar power and doing the same job.

Exactly why I didnt get another Triton, went the 3.2 Paj instead.

fitzyfootlong · « **Reply #20 on:** February 23, 2011, 09:26:30 PM »

I have a VW Passat company car and have driven a couple of new gulfs. Build quality is second to none. These cars are in a different league to our Australian built cars, the doors shut with a thud instead of a twang, they go like stink and are super reliable IMHO.. But would I shell out for a Amorak... probably not...

LC · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2011, 09:34:36 PM »

sat in one of these at the sydney motor show and they looked like a good bit of gear - although you've got to wonder about the 2 litre engine!

Maîneÿ . . . · « **Reply #22 on:** February 23, 2011, 09:42:07 PM »

I've been driving a VW Tiguan with a 2.0 litre, common rail turbo diesel engine that generates 103 kW of power and 320 Nm of torque, delivering maximum torque at just above idle.

I would suggest test drive the VW ute, as it has a more powerful motor and then say they are not a fantastic vehicle.

One comment I will offer is I hate the 'skinny spare wheel' syndrome they have in the Tiguan.

morgue · « **Reply #23 on:** February 23, 2011, 09:58:01 PM »

Quote from: MDS69 on February 23, 2011, 06:48:04 PM

Is there a ute on the market (excluding Falcon and Crummydore) with rear disc brakes?

There's a couple of various models...Nissan, Toyota, Izusu.

dazzler · « **Reply #24 on:** February 23, 2011, 10:06:39 PM »

Just on the 2 litre motor argument it is all down to efficiency. They wont wear out quicker provided the internals are built to take it. With the transporter they actually reduced the 2.5 TD back to 2 litres and it goes better than the 2.5. I cant get my head around that one given the old more cubes more power mantra

.

The rear drums are also interesting. Though they are not as efficient as discs from a cooling perspective provided they are the correct size (and remember wheel sizes have grown so you can get a larger drum in) then there will be no issue. And most of our rear disc braked vehicles still have drums inside for the handbrake so in the long run its probably about the same.

Must try and get one on fleet. For me, and only me, so I can buy it at the end of lease

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Author Topic: VW Amarok (Read 15441 times)