Thank you for the nice welcoming comments, I should have said that my kids are not so little anymore I have two boys the eldest 18.5 and the next is 17.5 and my baby girl is 14, and so far they are still keen to go with us on any trip they can , not that their has been any lately. We have a regular annual camp the week after Easter at The Clarence Gorge which is an absolutely brilliant spot and we have been there every year since 2003, unfortunately we will not be their this year as we where bumped out of our regular site and as the holidays fall before Easter and our boys can not go as they both work in bakeries at the moment and that is their busiest time,( and the camp site may still be under water still, the record flood height would be about 30 to 40 metres deep from normal height and that reached the house yard) we are on the lookout for an alternative some where between Grafton and Dungog that is similar but are yet to find anything that matches the Gorge for price that will allow dogs. We usually camp with my brother in law and his fiance and kids who lives at Dungog and a close mate from home and any of his kids that can get there. It is a week of camp ovens, canoes and some fishing and eating,we are not wowsers but their is usually not much grog and we have a great time . I must say thank you to Paul for putting me on the right track and I appreciate any further help, I will post some photos when I figure that out. We have done the great central Aussie tour about 3 years back just before the center got the good rain and I am desperate to get back out there to see it after some good years as it was extremely dry when we went.Any how its past my bed time and I have to work tomorrow I will add some more detail when I can squeeze the kids of the computer.