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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: prodigyrf on May 16, 2015, 01:03:31 PM
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Some big changes to driving and car ownership are rapidly emerging with driverless car technology-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/brekkie-wrap-googles-driverless-car-ready-for-road/story-fni6um3i-1227357098356 (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/brekkie-wrap-googles-driverless-car-ready-for-road/story-fni6um3i-1227357098356)
and I'd suggest it will bring revolutionary changes in much the same way as digital communications has. Not many of us drive to the post office to pay some bills, let alone visit a bank very often and buying stuff OS was strictly for holidays.
The spread of driverless car technology will no doubt occur exponentially, assuming our comprehensive and third party insurers begin to notice a dramatic fall in risk/return for those adopting the technology. To the extent that occurs and Govt also notices the decreasing health bill, premium disparity and probably car registration fees/penalty will no doubt become a strong financial incentive for the slowpokes. You could add life insurance and accident and sickness insurance premiums here too, although how will Govts handle the lack of traffic fine revenue, not least for drink diving? Will it be OK to get pissed in the car while Robbie the Robot does its thing, no car speeds anymore, tailgates or crashes, etc? Lots more free time for plod to catch real villains or dramatically reduced need for our numbers of police?
Think about public transport, taxis, driving to work in peak hour and parking problems when you get there? Get a glimpse of the future here with Uber. The car drives you to the door at work in the CBD and then it drives away to park in the outer suburbs or parking areas, or perhaps you told it to hit the car wash on the way or drive to the Dealers for its service. What if when you don't need the car, anyone who doesn't really need a car full time (pensioners?) can call it up nearby with some Uber type app and get it to drive them where they want to go and simply pay a mileage fee, all the time you a budding new taxi owner and entrepreneur can track where it is at any time on your smartphone. How many less cars and reg and ins will that mean for us all and what are the ramifications for the taxi, hire car, Uber industry now?
We are about to live in some radically different and interesting times. Just as revolutionary as when Henry Ford began to liberate the ordinary man.
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I hope the cars of tomorrow look better than that boring bubble! I doubt they could handle the tele track towing the camper ;D
:cheers: avo
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I hope the cars of tomorrow look better than that boring bubble!
Won't driverless car choice be wonderful? avotrol wants to call up a luxury Euro car or Prado and pay the higher mileage price rather than a cheapy mileage Kia bubble 8)
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I am out in Mountain View in Silicon valley which is where Google is based and their large fleet of Hybrid Lexus SUVs are an extremely common sight. In the last hour I have seen five or six of them driving past. With their huge laser see sensor on the roof and miles of cabling they are not consumer ready yet but with the tens of thousands of accident free miles they have now done it won't be long.
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Won't driverless car choice be wonderful? avotrol wants to call up a luxury Euro car or Prado and pay the higher mileage price rather than a cheapy mileage Kia bubble 8)
Ummmm, what ???
Firstly, I don't own a luxury Euro car or Prado (whats wrong with a Prado anyway?). Though they might be cheap, I just don't like current little bubble cars as there is no room for people who are 6 foot and they offer very little protection in a smash. At least the auto piloted bubble cars will be able to drive properly and hopefully stay in their lane, unlike 90% of the current bubble car drivers, they are the worst!! I just don't understand why such small cars can not be kept in their own lane and why they so often want to try and share mine when I'm driving a 15 ton truck in it >:(!!
:cheers: avo
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**** driverless cars.. I quite enjoy driving.
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I remember reading an article last year, that came out of a worldwide think tank, that predicted that within 15 years, the 'Google car' will be operating, and operating whereby people will be able to 'order' a car, the car will come and pick them up, will then take them from point A to B, and then move onto its next job. In essence a driverless Taxi ordered online. Removing the need for cars for 'normal' commute.
MarkVS
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And not just cars -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVk7xQNM5V0#t=301 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVk7xQNM5V0#t=301)
Peter H
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If you don't drive it then I wonder if you can just sit in the seat and drink beer?
Swannie
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Does this mean I can send my Lux up ahead on the track and it can come back and tell me what the conditions are like. ;D
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If you don't drive it then I wonder if you can just sit in the seat and drink beer?
Swannie, you always ask the compelling questions :)
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I remember reading an article last year, that came out of a worldwide think tank, that predicted that within 15 years, the 'Google car' will be operating, and operating whereby people will be able to 'order' a car, the car will come and pick them up, will then take them from point A to B, and then move onto its next job. In essence a driverless Taxi ordered online. Removing the need for cars for 'normal' commute.
MarkVS
This is australia remember, good luck getting that past the taxi drivers union.
Uber just about ended the world as we know it as far as they were concerned
And I'd rather drive myself like most people given the choice
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The real fun will be stink driving where currently in qld you dan be charged with drink driving while sleeping it off if you have the keys with you. As you are in control of the vehicle. ( am not aware of anyone who has ?but as the law stands this is the case). I don't take the chance and put the keys behind the tyre when sleeping it off. What happens when tags system crashes mid drive and you have an accident who is responsible you or the programmer or car manufacturer. Imagine hacking int the cars and setting the speed limit to 10 k an hour on the freeway.
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Skynet is closer to reality by the day......
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The real fun will be stink driving where currently in qld you dan be charged with drink driving while sleeping it off if you have the keys with you. As you are in control of the vehicle. ( am not aware of anyone who has ?but as the law stands this is the case). I don't take the chance and put the keys behind the tyre when sleeping it off. What happens when tags system crashes mid drive and you have an accident who is responsible you or the programmer or car manufacturer. Imagine hacking int the cars and setting the speed limit to 10 k an hour on the freeway.
I realy think it's pretty shameful of councils to fine the pants off you for staying parked for 2 mins more than the fee paid but yet they won't support a parking area free or otherwise where people can sleep it off outside of business hours. They tell you to pull over and rest if your microsleeping but what happens if your driving through surf coast shire or similar where it's on spot fines to sleep in cars... do you drive 100s of ks to sleep legaly.
I think the legal ramifications for self drive cars will be a far bigger obstacle than any technology will be based on a bunch of reasons
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I think the legal ramifications for self drive cars will be a far bigger obstacle than any technology will be based on a bunch of reasons
Hmm, something tells me when the tech is ready the billion dollar companies will have a word in the ear of whichever polly will listen. Don't suspect they will have to wait long for the laws to 'catch up'. Got to keep those tax dodging paying companies happy.
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We won't be seeing this tech for a longtime yet, yes they are advancing rapidly but government legislation and the road rules will need to be carefully implemented, and with the rapid changes as the tech progresses means the rule makers will struggle to keep up!
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Not to mention they will be uninsureable as none will want to accept liability
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Skynet is closer to reality by the day......
it really is heading fo one of them horror movies where pinky and the brain take over the world...
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Technology is a wonderful thing, but it has its place.
As we rush forward, we seldom think of about what we sacrifice.
Automated shopping systems , robots to read to our kids, automated cars.
As we rush forward are we actually going backwards?
Family, neighbours and society keep getting the bonds that glue us together pulled apart.
Maybe I'm wrong but I'll keep doing stuff myself, making mistakes living and learning as I go.
Glad I'm not that brain surgeon depending on a steady hand to save a patient.
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We won't be seeing this tech for a longtime yet, yes they are advancing rapidly but government legislation and the road rules will need to be carefully implemented, and with the rapid changes as the tech progresses means the rule makers will struggle to keep up!
ABC reported in Feb this year...
"In a speech delivered in the South Australian Parliament today to mark the formal opening of the new session, the Government outlined a plan to reform two pieces of road legislation."
"[The] Government will reform both pieces of legislation and also legislate for driverless vehicles, which will revolutionise transportation in South Australia."
And in the UK, in Feb this year, the UK transport minister and the head of a driverless car project announced.
“This Government review of regulations paves the way for the introduction of driverless vehicles on UK roads. UK Autodrive will make use of these changes to lead the development and adoption of autonomous driving technologies. The three year programme will demonstrate those autonomous technologies in the cities of Milton Keynes and Coventry, positioning the UK as a leader in this domain.”
There seems to be a strong appetite for driverless cars and I think this is going to happen very rapidly.
MarkVS
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ffffttt, Jeep has had this sort of technology for years.
Yep, cars that drive themselves..... 8)
Look, some might say it was just a jammed Cruise Control, but us Jeep owners know better.
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So that's how barbies head came off
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Gotta love all this techno wizardry and all the lazy dumbsh*te useless sheeple that it will breed into the future ... NOT !!
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You've just described gen y perfectly except you left out self absorbed:)
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Interesting topic - when you think about the economics of it, cars will be last things driverless on our roads.
First will be trucks - what is the cost of a big rig truck (I have no idea), say double that for a driverless one. You then have a truck that can drive from Brisbane to Melbourne non stop then fuel up swap loads and drive back to Brisbane.
Get rid of the human factor and they are better utilised, faster(eg. No rest stops) and running costs are less (no wages).
Initially truck drivers would still be needed for around town but demand would drop as the tech got better.
It will be interesting, hopefully by the time I am too old to drive (or want to) There will de driverless cars.
John
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Interesting topic - when you think about the economics of it, cars will be last things driverless on our roads.
First will be trucks - what is the cost of a big rig truck (I have no idea), say double that for a driverless one. You then have a truck that can drive from Brisbane to Melbourne non stop then fuel up swap loads and drive back to Brisbane.
Get rid of the human factor and they are better utilised, faster(eg. No rest stops) and running costs are less (no wages).
Initially truck drivers would still be needed for around town but demand would drop as the tech got better.
It will be interesting, hopefully by the time I am too old to drive (or want to) There will de driverless cars.
John
I recon your dead right there.public transports automated in some countries but restricted to rail.
I think there's a long way to go yet and as I said earlier insurance and legalities/responsibilities will probably be more of a hurdle than the technology itself
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Interesting topic - when you think about the economics of it, cars will be last things driverless on our roads.
First will be trucks - what is the cost of a big rig truck (I have no idea), say double that for a driverless one. You then have a truck that can drive from Brisbane to Melbourne non stop then fuel up swap loads and drive back to Brisbane.
Get rid of the human factor and they are better utilised, faster(eg. No rest stops) and running costs are less (no wages).
Initially truck drivers would still be needed for around town but demand would drop as the tech got better.
It will be interesting, hopefully by the time I am too old to drive (or want to) There will de driverless cars.
John
Be interesting. Given when the monorail was introduced to Sydney in 1988? It was driverless technology. The transport workers union saw to that and they had to employ drivers for the next 25yrs.
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Driverless Car Road Rage. Wouldn't want to be in one that cuts off another in peak hours!
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I recon your dead right there.public transports automated in some countries but restricted to rail.
I think there's a long way to go yet and as I said earlier insurance and legalities/responsibilities will probably be more of a hurdle than the technology itself
Agree - they don't have to prove it is perfect, just better than a human. Then insurance companies will jump on board
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There seems to be a strong appetite for driverless cars and I think this is going to happen very rapidly.
MarkVS
Sooner than we think by all accounts-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/technology/first-car-that-can-drive-itself-the-next-generation-audi-a8-limousine-on-the-road-in-2017/story-fnjwq0cw-1227368047823 (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/technology/first-car-that-can-drive-itself-the-next-generation-audi-a8-limousine-on-the-road-in-2017/story-fnjwq0cw-1227368047823)
and no doubt lots of manufacturers trying to outdo each other at the very moment which raises a topical question as to whether or not these cars will need all those expensive killer airbags in the long run. Perhaps even seat belts and baby capsules, etc will become superfluous?
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Won't the kids love to be free at last from all that L, P1, P2 crap and worrywort helicopter parenting? Or perhaps not with mum and dad tracking their every move. You win some you lose some kiddies.
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This was in the making news section, but it belongs here though .http://www.9news.com.au/technology/2015/05/25/13/16/volvo-automatic-parking-system-fails-as-car-drives-into-two-men (http://www.9news.com.au/technology/2015/05/25/13/16/volvo-automatic-parking-system-fails-as-car-drives-into-two-men)
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I think if this is all our future it ****ing stinks.
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It will be the future for major metropolitan areas and long haul freight. 4WD recreation driving will around for a long time yet ;)
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It will be the future for major metropolitan areas and long haul freight. 4WD recreation driving will around for a long time yet ;)
They will just stop it. Insurance companies wont want to play ball - or since they have share holders and will still need to make 23904820348903289 billion a week profit insurance for anyone driving themselves will become too much even for Packer or Murdochs.
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This was in the making news section, but it belongs here though .http://www.9news.com.au/technology/2015/05/25/13/16/volvo-automatic-parking-system-fails-as-car-drives-into-two-men (http://www.9news.com.au/technology/2015/05/25/13/16/volvo-automatic-parking-system-fails-as-car-drives-into-two-men)
Yeah I think our manual controls and off-road driving are safe for a few years yet. However it's interesting to note in that Audi video how the computer only fails when an analogue driver cuts it off suddenly. Right there you can see when the technology is almost foolproof and the majority of cars are driverless, the push will be on to get the dangerous analogues off the road, just like those 'new asbestos' cars at present- http://www.autoblog.com/2015/02/15/paris-ban-old-cars-from-citys-roads/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2015/02/15/paris-ban-old-cars-from-citys-roads/)
Joining some dots here along with added airbag longevity problems in mind, means you have to be somewhat circumspect when trotting into a new car showroom nowadays. The irony is as we've produced superb mechanically robust cars with excellent longevity, the rest of the overall package is fast being overtaken by other considerations and rapidly advancing technological innovation. Already sound mechanical and perfectly driveable cars are no longer being towed to the crushers but driven there to remove their number plates.
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Good and bad........... who really knows what the future holds.
I have no doubt it will be carefully considered by a "committee" panel of "experts" with a degree in "something weird with a name to make it sound important" from the university of "mumbai"
They will no doubt consult top motoring organisations like RACQ, NRMA for "expert" feedback from their advertising sorry technical department.
This makes me feel SOOOOOOOOOO safe, that a manufacturer who makes PC's that need rebooting every few days and crash more than a homeless drunk mate and need to be replaced every few years cos they just do........ will be printing the same boards that run the anti crash system...... :'( :'( :'(
Anyhow, this aside, I think most people are viewing with the "transport" view of getting to and from work.
What ever will happen to the glory and joy that is "driving"?
A nice drive through the countyside, or a pleasant stint up the coast, or an outback journey???
A nice drive through the Alpine region???
Perhaps it can just be printed into our memory chips.............
Ho hum,
Not to worry, I'll be senile by then ;D (half way there if you ask the boss :-[)
Brian
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Good and bad........... who really knows what the future holds.
I have no doubt it will be carefully considered by a "committee" panel of "experts" with a degree in "something weird with a name to make it sound important" from the university of "mumbai"
They will no doubt consult top motoring organisations like RACQ, NRMA for "expert" feedback from their advertising sorry technical department.
This makes me feel SOOOOOOOOOO safe, that a manufacturer who makes PC's that need rebooting every few days and crash more than a homeless drunk mate and need to be replaced every few years cos they just do........ will be printing the same boards that run the anti crash system...... :'( :'( :'(
Anyhow, this aside, I think most people are viewing with the "transport" view of getting to and from work.
What ever will happen to the glory and joy that is "driving"?
A nice drive through the countyside, or a pleasant stint up the coast, or an outback journey???
A nice drive through the Alpine region???
Perhaps it can just be printed into our memory chips.............
Ho hum,
Not to worry, I'll be senile by then ;D (half way there if you ask the boss :-[)
Brian
Only halfway? You are on the wrong forum :)
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A lot more convenient if you can call the car to you rather than you calling on the car-
http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/24/8837281/ford-peer-2-peer-car-sharing-rental-scheme-monthly-charges (http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/24/8837281/ford-peer-2-peer-car-sharing-rental-scheme-monthly-charges)
and paywave for kms travelled with ebay type feedback won't need middlemen or even Uber drivers. Just the app and mobile wallet.
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This is getting serious folks-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/premier-jay-weatherill-driverless-car-trial-to-start-on-adelaides-southern-expressway-in-november/story-fni6uo1m-1227450687099 (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/premier-jay-weatherill-driverless-car-trial-to-start-on-adelaides-southern-expressway-in-november/story-fni6uo1m-1227450687099)
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Another good reason to head to the hills and get out of sillyburbia and go off grid.
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Another good reason to head to the hills and get out of sillyburbia and go off grid.
Me to, not interested in some robot driving me about.
I still go to post office, motor transport place etc.
Easier then on the internet, and now that everyone is doing it on line, there is no body at the rego place, which = no queues.
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Bronwyn bishop will have 2 and a self drive helichoppa!
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Could you imagine the uproar ! when terrorist cyber hackers bring down the Nav links networks and hack the speed controls and a few thousand planes [ they are trialling pilotless drone airliners too ] cars / trucks and busses go wacko and crash killing thousands in cities across a dozen countries ...
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Could you imagine the uproar ! when terrorist cyber hackers bring down the Nav links networks and hack the speed controls and a few thousand planes [ they are trialling pilotless drone airliners too ] cars / trucks and busses go wacko and crash killing thousands in cities across a dozen countries ...
Probably still less deaths than those caused by the idiots on the road at the moment.
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... not interested in some robot driving me about.
agree
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You don't have to let a robot drive you, someone else can from their living room.........
as per other thread..........
http://www.9news.com.au/technology/2015/07/22/10/16/hackers-take-control-of-jeep-and-crash-it-into-ditch (http://www.9news.com.au/technology/2015/07/22/10/16/hackers-take-control-of-jeep-and-crash-it-into-ditch)
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You don't have to let a robot drive you, someone else can from their living room.........
as per other thread..........
http://www.9news.com.au/technology/2015/07/22/10/16/hackers-take-control-of-jeep-and-crash-it-into-ditch (http://www.9news.com.au/technology/2015/07/22/10/16/hackers-take-control-of-jeep-and-crash-it-into-ditch)
that wont work, I have a pee pee and a pair of crackers, so would never own a hairdresser car..... ;D ;D ;D
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that wont work, I have a pee pee and a pair of crackers, so would never own a hairdresser car..... ;D ;D ;D
PMSL............
oh and :worthles:
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Deleted as already a post on the news thread about car computer hacking .
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There are three reasons why driver-less cars will not be adopted in the short term in Australia.
1) The Macquarie bank has just purchased the contract for speed camera cars.
The Macquarie bank is a well known bunch of crooks who will do anything, anything to make money and if any investment was in danger as would be the case in driver-less cars, they would pay off the polies to stop it in its tracks.
One must also consider the revenue from fixed speed cameras and police cars, all the revenue would be gone, can anyone imagine the lazy, incompetent and greedy government just letting this easy stream of revenue drying up?
2) The RMA is populated by technophobes and troglodytes who automatically and very quickly reject anything that may change anything that drives or rides on the road.
In RMA eyes, change is bad, just look at the primitive roads and the retrograde reduction in speed zones regardless of the fact that the cars and brakes are better. Expecting them to approve a driver-less car is like expecting a politician to hand back his perks and telling the truth, impossible.
Also the RMA is anal about knowing WHO SPEEDEDEDED, and who they can lay draconian punishments on, no driver-less car would give a stuff, this would remove the pleasure and sexual gratification they get from punishing drivers so they can no longer drive.
3) finally, People are scared of machines, RE the terminator etc etc, and with nearly half the Australian driver population approaching their 60s, they would be too frightened to have "one of them there machines" running their car.
What if it took over and became self aware, no more ignoring the GPS, it would fight back and put you on the rail tracks.
I have seen my fater in law just trying to use his mobile phone and GPS, imagine him trying to program a car to get him somewhere, he would end up in WA when he was just trying to get to the corner shop.
That my friends is why we will never see driverless cars in Australia
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Unfortunately for the truckies I see driverless trucks as being the first. They're talking about letting them join up into convoys, with only a few cm between them. So instead of a road train - one tug, 3/4 trailers, you just join more and more into a mesh network and the front vehicle acts as the pilot. Saves fuel via the drafting.
The thing preventing them here is the state of our roads. They'll work well on long straight freeways like you get in U.S. Or Europe, but the rubbish that passes as roads here means it'll be a lot harder. Then there are the animals. Volvo already admit that their animal avoidance technology doesn't work in Australia because Kangaroos are too unpredictable. The software can't cope.
It's the way of the world. I was reading predictions that 40% of jobs will be automated in the next decade and a bit. And we are not talking factory jobs, these are things like Sales,insurance underwriting, library techs and Paralegal work
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/01/what-jobs-will-the-robots-take/283239/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/01/what-jobs-will-the-robots-take/283239/)
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Not a car but these are pretty scary .. imagine herds of them weaponised and programed to attack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtU9p1VYtcQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtU9p1VYtcQ)
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There are three reasons why driver-less cars will not be adopted in the short term in Australia.
1) The Macquarie bank has just purchased the contract for speed camera cars.
The Macquarie bank is a well known bunch of crooks who will do anything, anything to make money and if any investment was in danger as would be the case in driver-less cars, they would pay off the polies to stop it in its tracks.
One must also consider the revenue from fixed speed cameras and police cars, all the revenue would be gone, can anyone imagine the lazy, incompetent and greedy government just letting this easy stream of revenue drying up?
Macquarie's recent investment history isn't exactly the best so I wouldn't follow them myself.....
2) The RMA is populated by technophobes and troglodytes who automatically and very quickly reject anything that may change anything that drives or rides on the road.
In RMA eyes, change is bad, just look at the primitive roads and the retrograde reduction in speed zones regardless of the fact that the cars and brakes are better. Expecting them to approve a driver-less car is like expecting a politician to hand back his perks and telling the truth, impossible.
Also the RMA is anal about knowing WHO SPEEDEDEDED, and who they can lay draconian punishments on, no driver-less car would give a stuff, this would remove the pleasure and sexual gratification they get from punishing drivers so they can no longer drive.
Without a doubt the reluctance of humans will be the issue. But there are a lot of social issues that could be solved with driverless cars. People who don't have licenses, public transport issues, parking issues. etc etc. The State and local Governments reliance on revenue from speeding and parking fines will have to change. Insurance companies will embrace them as costs will be lower due to less accidents. Human driven cars will have much higher premiums as a result.
3) finally, People are scared of machines, RE the terminator etc etc, and with nearly half the Australian driver population approaching their 60s, they would be too frightened to have "one of them there machines" running their car.
What if it took over and became self aware, no more ignoring the GPS, it would fight back and put you on the rail tracks.
I have seen my fater in law just trying to use his mobile phone and GPS, imagine him trying to program a car to get him somewhere, he would end up in WA when he was just trying to get to the corner shop.
As per point 2, people' attitudes not the technology will be the issue. User interface issues for someone such as your father are easily overcome. Even my 93 year old Nana has learnt to use an iPhone to make FaceTime calls to family.
That my friends is why we will never see driverless cars in Australia
It is coming. Long haul freight will be first. Inner city will be next. Rural and remote areas where it makes the least economic or social sense will take a long time to be offered or adopt it.
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Not a car but these are pretty scary .. imagine herds of them weaponised and programed to attack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtU9p1VYtcQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtU9p1VYtcQ)
Imaging a swarm of small drones programmed to fly into the path of an international airliner over major city like London or New York. That technology is here and now.
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The General takes a half billion dollar bet against those Uber shares in your super fund or personal share portfolio-
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a18806/gm-lyft-investment/ (http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a18806/gm-lyft-investment/)
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They're getting serious with the new car brains and the race is on in earnest to capture the market-
http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/04/nvidia-drive-px2/ (http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/04/nvidia-drive-px2/)
Bear in mind the introduction will likely be staged as certain roads (highways and freeways) are increasingly designated hands free and then the driver takes over again in the busy urban areas and all the time the brain of the car is learning how to cope with the different driving conditions. This is going to have repercussions for towing as the rudimentary braking systems we have now will no doubt have to be upgraded to abs, stability control all connected to the car and its brain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEQcpZ4C-60 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEQcpZ4C-60)
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take a look at the mining industry. They have had 200 tonne dump trucks running around driverless for years. They are working on driverless trains now. All 10 -15 thousand tonne of it.
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I was reading predictions that 40% of jobs will be automated in the next decade and a bit. And we are not talking factory jobs, these are things like Sales,insurance underwriting, library techs and Paralegal work
To put it bluntly, that's just not sustainable... people have to eat and live.. no work will mean total anarchy...
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We're still a bit nervous about giving up the steering wheel and pedals-
http://www.caradvice.com.au/409737/driverless-cars-not-without-a-steering-wheel-volvo-study-finds/ (http://www.caradvice.com.au/409737/driverless-cars-not-without-a-steering-wheel-volvo-study-finds/)
although we've taken to intelligent cruise control, autos, ABS, EBD, traction control AWD. electric power steering, drive by wire, self parking and GPS guidance like ducks to water so we're getting there slowly but surely
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Here is a scenario . Driverless car is driving along and a child runs out in front. Car has a choice to make. Hit the child and possibly kill it or swerve and hit a tree and possibly kill the person in the car. How do they program that decision into the car's software?
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To put it bluntly, that's just not sustainable... people have to eat and live.. no work will mean total anarchy...
Banks are already using AI to perform background checks on loan applicants rather than using people. Its only unsustainable if the jobs that are lost aren't replaced by new jobs that didn't previously exist. The world didn't end in a fireball when Telephone operators were replaced by automated exchanges.
There will probably be a shift in jobs - eg doctors become more about personal interactions with the AI helping them diagnose and retain patient information . But with estimates of 28 percent of employed Australians, being involved in jobs that require driving, that's a hell of lot of jobs to replace when driverless cars become a reality. eg you would hopefully expect to see more jobs in the creation and training of AI systems even whilst those systems are replacing other jobs. Hopefully it will change the way we work but not take away our work.
But at least we will still need people to maintain and repair the robot cars!
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One I wonder about is how do they handle intersections?
When you drive up to an intersection, you look to the right, see another car coming & think "Yep, I can make that" or "Nup, too close".
How does the "robot" do it?
Does it have a laser range-finder & speed gun installed, so that it see's a car coming, zaps it & calculates: 150m away, travelling at 60kmh = too close?
Same as above - what happens when it gets it's numbers wrong & pulls out too close, doesn't see the kid on the treadly so side-swipes him & so on.
Would love to see what one does with a cloud of bulldust off a road-train though - not sure if "continuing to drive through impenetrable red murk" would be covered in the programming!
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Some stats and predictions for you to consider during your next Asian holiday:
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One I wonder about is how do they handle intersections?
When you drive up to an intersection, you look to the right, see another car coming & think "Yep, I can make that" or "Nup, too close".
How does the "robot" do it?
Does it have a laser range-finder & speed gun installed, so that it see's a car coming, zaps it & calculates: 150m away, travelling at 60kmh = too close?
Same as above - what happens when it gets it's numbers wrong & pulls out too close, doesn't see the kid on the treadly so side-swipes him & so on.
Would love to see what one does with a cloud of bulldust off a road-train though - not sure if "continuing to drive through impenetrable red murk" would be covered in the programming!
Most of the tech is already in cars on the road today. The reality is they 'see' better and react quicker than humans can. Ever seen the youtube of the Tesla avoiding a crash that the driver didn't even see coming? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X-5fKzmy38 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X-5fKzmy38)
Google's cars use LIDAR to see 200m away. They use 8 different sensors to decide what to do. We use 1 - our eyes. Estimates say driver error accounts for 90% of all crashes. How would a human react in those situations? My bet is a lot of human drivers would make errors as well.
The ability for laser and mm-wave radar to 'see' through adverse conditions (fog, smoke, dust) was demonstrated back in 2006 on a UGV (unmanned ground vehicle) at Sydney Uni. mm-wave radar doesn't care about smoke or dust. The US army has been using it on their helicopters for desert operations. Mining companies are already using Infrared on their trucks to see through dust What do you do in the bull dust? Can you see through it? Or do you just stop? Why wouldn't an automated car just stop?
The tech may not be all the way there yet, but it won't be long. Moore's law still holds true. 30 years ago I was loading games on my Spectrum 16k computer. To load an Xbox 360 game on to a spectrum at the same data rate would take days. The computer that controlled the moon landings could process 41.6 Instructions per Second, an iPhone 6 runs at 3.36 billion Instructions per Second or put another way: A single iPhone 6 could theoretically guide 120 million Apollo rockets at the same time :)
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This is a pretty cool video that talks about how Google's cars see the world and react to unexpected situations (a woman in a wheel chair chasing a duck??? and a myswag favourite... cyclists running red lights)
https://www.ted.com/talks/chris_urmson_how_a_driverless_car_sees_the_road?language=en#t-15524 (https://www.ted.com/talks/chris_urmson_how_a_driverless_car_sees_the_road?language=en#t-15524)
For me the potential for the sharing of data amongst the cars is huge, especially to reduce traffic snarls. eg First car comes to a road works, and moves over, it tells the other cars about that, so they all move over nice and early, and merge nicely as they all know what each other is doing.
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Still the odd bug to iron out but here's the money quote for the doubters-
"When Driscoll was killed in Britain in 1896, as a pedestrian struck by a car on a demonstration drive in London, there was a huge outcry about the speed and dangers of the then new technology — even though the car in question was limited to 4mph (6.4km/h)."
Bearing in mind at present we manage to kill around 12-1300 a year on our roads now before counting the wheelchairs and hospital bed nights.
http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/autonomous-car-tech-questioned-after-tesla-death-43371?utm_source=cg&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=theguide (http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/autonomous-car-tech-questioned-after-tesla-death-43371?utm_source=cg&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=theguide)
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Well that didn't take them long-
http://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/germany-will-require-autonomous-cars-to-have-black-boxes-report/ar-BBuxFmp?li=AA8ewQ&ocid=spartanntp (http://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/germany-will-require-autonomous-cars-to-have-black-boxes-report/ar-BBuxFmp?li=AA8ewQ&ocid=spartanntp)
Wonder how they'll get the revenue without the traffic fines now as if we didn't know. At least we Mr Magoos can minimize the tax now.
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This is a pretty cool video that talks about how Google's cars see the world and react to unexpected situations (a woman in a wheel chair chasing a duck??? and a myswag favourite... cyclists running red lights)
https://www.ted.com/talks/chris_urmson_how_a_driverless_car_sees_the_road?language=en#t-15524 (https://www.ted.com/talks/chris_urmson_how_a_driverless_car_sees_the_road?language=en#t-15524)
For me the potential for the sharing of data amongst the cars is huge, especially to reduce traffic snarls. eg First car comes to a road works, and moves over, it tells the other cars about that, so they all move over nice and early, and merge nicely as they all know what each other is doing.
Drivers could do that now if they thought about it.
Most of them are too self obsessed with their own importance.
And believe they are the most important, in any line of traffic, and should always be in the front.
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Drivers could do that now if they thought about it.
Most of them are too self obsessed with their own importance.
And believe they are the most important, in any line of traffic, and should always be in the front.
They could but unfortunately humans will always zone out, get tired, get distracted, get drunk, get stoned etc, something computers won't do.
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The sad reality is that within the lifetime of many people reading and posting here is that driverless cars will make it onto our roads.
When they prove there safeness the government will legislate to remove all operator driven cars as they can reduce road toll to zero if only driverless cars on the road. no speeding no need to own your own car as when needed will order through an app and pay per trip.
For a lot of people this will be nirvana, cheaper to run than ownership, no service costs downtime getting it to dealer, parking problems a thing of the past, will be able to reduce width of roads in city areas.
But for the rest of us wanting to drive we will be restricted to track days where there will still probably be strict speed enforcement and huge fees to replace lost revenue form the speeding fines, talking on mobile drink driving etc that the government will miss out on.
This will happen within a life time I just hope it is not during mine
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Having recently moved to a country area, an hours drive from medical type facilities, I hope driverless cars are available before I get too feeble to drive myself.
On bitumen anyway. I suspect it will be a long time before driverless is required off road.
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Just adding my worthless pointless 2.2c worth for the fun of it!!!!
As you know I live in Sh17ney. Surely even the worst Microsoft software using windows 10 on a cheap chinese guaranteed to fail el cheapo android in autonomous mode with a dying battery is better than 75% of the drivers I encounter on the road daily!!!!!
;D >:D
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Just adding my worthless pointless 2.2c worth for the fun of it!!!!
As you know I live in Sh17ney. Surely even the worst Microsoft software using windows 10 on a cheap chinese guaranteed to fail el cheapo android in autonomous mode with a dying battery is better than 75% of the drivers I encounter on the road daily!!!!!
;D >:D
THATS TOTAL CRAP BRIAN .................it,would be about 90% ;D
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"But before you get nervous, whatever Ford comes up with won’t be for your driveway. Instead, the smartest Ford ever conceived will trawl city streets, serving the needs of the ride-hailing and sharing services that several carmakers are now backing as the next big thing in transport."
Oh boy Windows plus Ford and no steering wheel or brake pedal-
http://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/ford-plans-to-ditch-the-steering-wheel/ar-BBvIsUA?li=AA8ewQ&ocid=spartanntp (http://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/ford-plans-to-ditch-the-steering-wheel/ar-BBvIsUA?li=AA8ewQ&ocid=spartanntp)
Might be best if they ditch the windows so we can't watch
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"... the smartest Ford ever conceived will trawl city streets, serving the needs of the ride-hailing and sharing services that several carmakers are now backing as the next big thing in transport."
Doesn't that sounds ****in fantastic for people who cant drive and need "parking assist" etc. What about the rest of us who enjoy driving and getting away?
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Can just see the news headlines now ! 10 yro boy car thief caught on live cctv footage, hacks into autonomous car system with stolen smart phone, police are powerless to intercept as the boy uses driver less cars and trucks to block and evade police and causes traffic mayhem on major roads .. ;D
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"But before you get nervous, whatever Ford comes up with won’t be for your driveway. Instead, the smartest Ford ever conceived will trawl city streets, serving the needs of the ride-hailing and sharing services that several carmakers are now backing as the next big thing in transport."
Oh boy Windows plus Ford and no steering wheel or brake pedal-
http://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/ford-plans-to-ditch-the-steering-wheel/ar-BBvIsUA?li=AA8ewQ&ocid=spartanntp (http://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/ford-plans-to-ditch-the-steering-wheel/ar-BBvIsUA?li=AA8ewQ&ocid=spartanntp)
Might be best if they ditch the windows so we can't watch
Ford can't even build a gearbox that works fro more than a few months before it needs a 'customer satisfaction exercise' to keep it working... Let alone a driverless car
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The race is on in earnest to get rid of the weak link-
http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/technology/ubers-self-driving-car-fleet-will-hit-the-road-this-summer/ar-BBvNmaz (http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/technology/ubers-self-driving-car-fleet-will-hit-the-road-this-summer/ar-BBvNmaz)
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The race is on in earnest to get rid of the weak link-
what hackers?
In Volvos?? Surely they are taking the piss...
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Here's the weak link in a nutshell Bird-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/bo-xi-li-driving-24kmh-over-speed-limit-when-he-crashed-headon-into-van-killing-68year-old-trevor-bird-jury-hears/news-story/684a7868694f91261b2de8e53ad5f472 (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/bo-xi-li-driving-24kmh-over-speed-limit-when-he-crashed-headon-into-van-killing-68year-old-trevor-bird-jury-hears/news-story/684a7868694f91261b2de8e53ad5f472)
Insurers and crash investigators have had the ability to interrogate airbag modules for some time and black boxes in our vehicles like aircraft were not far away for us all, but with automated cars fast coming a reality that's now less of a priority for our overlords.
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(in androgynous sotto voce) ding ding move to the back of the bus please humanoids
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australias-first-driverless-bus-in-perth/ar-AAiieWS?ocid=spartandhp (http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australias-first-driverless-bus-in-perth/ar-AAiieWS?ocid=spartandhp)
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Can see a lot of hackers having fun with these driver less busses etc . ;D
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Autonomous driving levels to get our head around for the time being before we become superfluous-
http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/autonomous-driving-levels-explained-47106?utm_source=cg&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=theguide (http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/autonomous-driving-levels-explained-47106?utm_source=cg&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=theguide)